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Kushan
Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.11.08 02:10:00 -
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I need a 3b loan fast to try and nab a character. I need to catch him as he logs on, which is in about 6 hours (I think)
Terms: I don't know if I will get the char or not, it's first come first served. If I don't get the char, I will refund the money within 24h +25m isk/1b invested investor for effort.
If I get the char, I will pay back the loan + 10% within 1 month. I might have it payed back within the week, probably within 2 weeks. But putting it at a month because I should have dragon age shortly and that might delay things :P. Basically, I will pay you back the isk as soon as I can make it, but no longer than 1 month.
I have a set of spare virtue implants I'm willing to use as collateral, if someone trusted will hold them. The value for these is around ~2b.
Minimum investment will be 500m because I'm lazy. Buying out the entire thing is fine, as that makes it easier for me.
If you aren't worried about me scamming you, simply send me the isk in 500m increments and post here. If you're worried, wait till I find someone to hold the collateral. If there are any reputable third parties willing to hold the collateral for me, please let me know.
Et cetera:
Why trust me? I've done unsecured public deals before, sold a few corps for hisec POS setup. I am a director and acting CEO of a corp that would fire my ass for a scam of any kind, let alone a public one. I've been playing eve a while, and been around md awhile. On this char and a few others. I think my rep is pretty squeaky clean.
Hit by a bus plan: I have billions in assets located in WH space. They could be liquidated by a corp member and used to repay the loan.
How I'll pay it back: I make decent money in WH space
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Cys Root
Gallente Onefix RD
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Posted - 2009.11.08 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Cys Root on 08/11/2009 02:31:27 500M reserved pending full collateral to trusted 3rd party.
Ninjaedit: just saw 2b secured, that's good too.
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JudgeBob
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Posted - 2009.11.08 02:30:00 -
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I'm in for 500m. Good luck!
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TRHaz
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Posted - 2009.11.08 02:32:00 -
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I can handle the remaining 2 billion
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Oxigun
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Posted - 2009.11.08 03:29:00 -
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Put me down for whatever you need if anyone pulls out. |
Kushan
Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.11.08 04:47:00 -
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All money received, character bought. Damn, if I had know you lot were so gullible I would have tried to scam more... er i mean...
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.11.08 11:16:00 -
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This is interesting :D Your eve search link isnt even for your own toon, but someone named Cushan. With 15 posts in total. You have 88 on Kushan which still tells us you are an alt :D I find it funny and sad at the same time, that this got investors. Also, never invest in someone telling you, that you have less than 6 hours to transfer the ISK in..
This should be a sticky, on how not to invest.
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Cys Root
Gallente Onefix RD
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Posted - 2009.11.08 11:26:00 -
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I changed my mind and refused after ingame convo *shrug*
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.08 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 08/11/2009 11:58:42
Originally by: Ji Sama This is interesting :D Your eve search link isnt even for your own toon, but someone named Cushan. With 15 posts in total. You have 88 on Kushan which still tells us you are an alt :D I find it funny and sad at the same time, that this got investors. Also, never invest in someone telling you, that you have less than 6 hours to transfer the ISK in..
This should be a sticky, on how not to invest.
Quoting myself:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1210337&page=1#24
Dominion is about CCP ran their analysis and discovered what any MD regular knows since months: there's vastly too many ISK around.
As I said many times, the game got old. Players, even the bad ones, adapted and improved on ISK generation. Alliance suckled every possible way to gain isk themselves
And so, it became possible to buy much stuff. To make titans used as teleports instead of being the awe inspiring "I took a screenshot, I have seen that thing!". To make dreads in the hundreds to the point that even my 2009 remade corp (not even in 0.0 atm) can give them *free* (carriers also) to the corp members.
This money flow is also visible in MD, the recently shown graphs demonstrate an increase of IPOs and bonds over time. Plus, not only they increase, but the general availability of invest-able capital far exceeds them, to the point of accepting less safe investments for the sake of putting that money somewhere.
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Kushan
Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.11.08 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama This is interesting :D Your eve search link isnt even for your own toon, but someone named Cushan. With 15 posts in total. You have 88 on Kushan which still tells us you are an alt :D I find it funny and sad at the same time, that this got investors. Also, never invest in someone telling you, that you have less than 6 hours to transfer the ISK in..
This should be a sticky, on how not to invest.
I linked two different characters, Cushan and this one: http://eve-search.com/search/author/Kushion . This was intended as disclosure of alts I had posted with; you can very well look up the OP char too if you actually care. If it wasn't blindingly obvious (and I thought it was) I have multiple characters. I mean, I'm getting the loan to buy another. Between all of them I have a pretty decent amount of posts in this forum, although I haven't posted much in here recently.
I'd agree that this offer wasn't exactly the best of offers if you are looking for rock-solid investment, but it wasn't intended to be. I needed a loan fast, and the people I would usually turn to were AFK at the time. That's the long and short of it. Risk versus reward analysis: a long-time eve player that has never scammed before needs a quick loan. If you looked up the contract history of my chars I'm obviously not poor. But meh, I got the isk, I got the char, so it's all good.
And btw, I find it pretty insulting that anyone would think I'd bother scamming for a piddling sum of 3b :3. I spend almost that much on PLEX every month.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.11.08 12:14:00 -
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10% = high risk?
I would say that with the risk in this offer the return should be atleast 30%. I am also puzzled that no one wanted you to lock down your collateral before transfering isk. I am not loking to invest, i merely commented on the obvious stupidity!
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2009.11.08 13:00:00 -
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I just read this and I'm confused - what happened? Was this a scam?
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Kushan
Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.11.08 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama 10% = high risk?
I would say that with the risk in this offer the return should be atleast 30%. I am also puzzled that no one wanted you to lock down your collateral before transfering isk. I am not loking to invest, i merely commented on the obvious stupidity!
You're not really bothering to do much background research or read much into it. I'm not a 3-day old alt with no history. If i was going to scam on an account I've used for years with a reputation I put effort into building up, I would aim for a hell of a lot more than 3b. Unless of course this is the precursor scam; build up the trust with a small amount, then go for a big one a month or two later. It could be! Except if I was going to do that, I'd put some effort into securing it and appeasing investors. Although to be safe, if I make an IPO a month from now for 80b, you probably shouldn't invest
Originally by: Liberty Eternal I just read this and I'm confused - what happened? Was this a scam?
Probably not
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.11.08 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 08/11/2009 13:19:55 But you are an alt, both toons are.
edit: to clarify; you linked your mains name, atleast i think its your main, or your pretend main.
And dont worry, i wont invest here.
Still, not getting the collateral secured is pure fail.
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Kushan
Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.11.08 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 08/11/2009 13:19:55 But you are an alt, both toons are.
edit: to clarify; you linked your mains name, atleast i think its your main, or your pretend main.
And dont worry, i wont invest here.
Still, not getting the collateral secured is pure fail.
"Both" ? Both implies two; I pointed out three separate chars. They all have the same name(ish), they are all on seperate accounts, they are all me. Please, help me understand what an alt is. What exactly makes a "main" in your book - post count?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.11.08 13:46:00 -
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2 alts + 1 main = 3 toons.
you keep stating that i am interested in investing, i am merely refuting that claim. i am pointing out the flaws in the funding, and i am puzzled about peoples stupidity (ie your "investors")
post count* is a clear indicator if a toon is a main. *and context (disclaimer: if you post on the forums that is) next thing is corp history and toon age, also a good indicator! an api pull could also help.
im out, im glad you suckered people into "investing" in you, a known character trader, by own admission. i will be sure to link this thread if you ever decide to go "public" again.
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Kushan
Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.11.08 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
you keep stating that i am interested in investing, i am merely refuting that claim.
Reading comprehension fail. I never said anything about you investing at any time. You didn't post in this thread until after it was closed. 'Course, that didn't stop you from making it very clear you weren't going to invest in my (closed) investment.
Quote: post count* is a clear indicator if a toon is a main.
Anyone can post on a 900k sp alt. Personally I'd go with standings, employment history, contract history, killboards, etc. But that's just me.
Quote: im out, im glad you suckered people into "investing" in you, a known character trader, by own admission.
None of the characters I linked have ever been traded. I do however buy and sell characters on a regular basis. As do many people with alt-itis and a love of trying new things. It's a legitimate game mechanic, and hardly a crime. I could see that being an issue is if I posted this with a char that had been traded, yet refused to disclose why my other chars are. That isn't the case here.
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.11.08 14:03:00 -
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My 0.02 isk: the bond was put forward by an obvious main character, director in a not-too-small corp, with good npc standings as anyone can check ingame. To throw away a character like that for a couple of bn scammed is not likely.
I guess that's why people jumped on it.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.11.08 14:04:00 -
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I have altitish and i have never purchased another toon. I have 7 alts atm. Posts are one of the best ways to see if a person is a main. Context and Count, not just count, not just context, bot BOTH (yes both = 2)
Also, your selective quotting is showing how much you fail.
WHY WASNT THE COLLATERAL SECURED?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.08 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 08/11/2009 18:29:00 Just this question will do: were the 2B actually secured at the moment of money receipt or not?
No other fluff added.
The title, is either a lie or not. - Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.11.08 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama But its all good, cista is backing you up...
Errrr, what? Who am I backing again? I was just curious as to why investors jumped on this without seeing the collateral that was promised.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.11.08 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: Ji Sama But its all good, cista is backing you up...
Errrr, what? Who am I backing again? I was just curious as to why investors jumped on this without seeing the collateral that was promised.
i was teasing :D
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.11.08 21:10:00 -
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This is a very odd thread.
Can someone clarify if this was a scam or not? Also did people send the cash before the collateral was secured? And if it was who was doing the securing? -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Cys Root
Gallente Onefix RD
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Posted - 2009.11.08 23:15:00 -
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AFAIK nothing is or ever was secured (not by a trusted 3rd party anyway). OP contacted me ingame and said 2.5B had been covered by his corp and he only needed my 500M to complete the loan. He offered for me to hold a slave implant as collateral, which i had no idea how much was worth and was to lazy to find out, so i refused investment. Smelled a bit too fishy and was overall too much hassel for a measely 50M of potential return.
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Kushan
Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:31:00 -
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Quote: Just this question will do: were the 2B actually secured at the moment of money receipt or not?
No other fluff added.
The title, is either a lie or not.
No, it wasn't secured at the time. The title could have been seen as misleading, but I covered it in the post. It wasn't yet secured, but I was looking for someone to secure it. If a third party had offered their services quickly, and for a reasonable price, I would have snapped it up. However, if I got the funding before I found someone to secure it, no need to pay someone to secure it. Before I created this thread, I asked chribba what it would cost to secure it (couldn't think of any other 3rd party people currently online) and he said 200m... which was a bit expensive for my tastes. But the best don't come cheap I guess. As I said, I was looking for quick funding. I wasn't looking to launch a large IPO. If I had gone to the effort of finding a third party to secure it before hand, do an API audit, etc, the window of opportunity would have passed. It was a very spontaneous decision to try and get the char, but if I had the funding 15 minutes late it would have been worthless to me. In general I wouldn't turn to public funding, but time was of the essence, and the people I usually ask for loans weren't online. It turned out the response from corp/alliance was such that I needn't have bothered with this thread anyway, but I didn't expect that. So, if you found the title misleading, I apologize. It should have read: "I have 2b of collateral I'm willing to use for security if I can find someone willing to secure it in time." But that's a long goddam title, and I covered it in the OP
Quote: WHY WASNT THE COLLATERAL SECURED?
Read above. If the words with multiple syllables are unduly confusing, here's the TL;DR version: I was in a hurry, so didn't have time to find a third party at the time of the post. Then I got all the funding I wanted, so why would I want to pay for a third party?
Quote: Can someone clarify if this was a scam or not?
There's one way to find out for sure: wait 30 days and see what happens.
Quote: He offered for me to hold a slave implant as collateral, which i had no idea how much was worth
Ehehe. Let's just say that if you ran off with my implant, you would have made off with more than 50m.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.09 03:52:00 -
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Congrats you got your funding.
But even joking about scamming in more than 1 post means you will never get any new funding again. You probably don't care.
Anyone who invest in stuff like this without confirmation that collateral is held are asking to be scammed.
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Exploding Foot
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.11.09 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray Congrats you got your funding.
But even joking about scamming in more than 1 post means you will never get any new funding again. You probably don't care.
Anyone who invest in stuff like this without confirmation that collateral is held are asking to be scammed.
This coming from someone who advocates scamming, and has previously scammed himself before. Good one bro.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.09 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Exploding Foot
Originally by: cosmoray Congrats you got your funding.
But even joking about scamming in more than 1 post means you will never get any new funding again. You probably don't care.
Anyone who invest in stuff like this without confirmation that collateral is held are asking to be scammed.
This coming from someone who advocates scamming, and has previously scammed himself before. Good one bro.
lol
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.09 07:56:00 -
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Quote:
No, it wasn't secured at the time. The title could have been seen as misleading, but I covered it in the post. It wasn't yet secured, but I was looking for someone to secure it. If a third party had offered their services quickly, and for a reasonable price, I would have snapped it up. However, if I got the funding before I found someone to secure it, no need to pay someone to secure it. Before I created this thread, I asked chribba what it would cost to secure it (couldn't think of any other 3rd party people currently online) and he said 200m... which was a bit expensive for my tastes. But the best don't come cheap I guess
I'd say it was more than misleading. If it says secured, it means it's secured.
Anyway, while Chribba is the best, there are others out there (including me) that can deal with these small sums for a fraction of that cost, which I suppose he uses as "entry barrier" to keep the too small stuff out.
Now, you got lucky and managed the loan, but it's possible that a next time it'll be harder (due to how you managed to dodge the securization). In that case you should contact a collateral holder or 3rd party *before* you accept the money.
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.11.09 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Now, you got lucky and managed the loan, but it's possible that a next time it'll be harder (due to how you managed to dodge the securization). In that case you should contact a collateral holder or 3rd party *before* you accept the money.
Well, it *was* filled, so you can't really blame the guy for taking the money that people throw at him. Why go through more trouble then? IMO it is the investors that need to think twice, and ask for the security - given the scams and scam attempts seen lately.
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