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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:21:00 -
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Mira Lynne wrote:
EVE isnt Easy, EVE isnt Nice, and EVE Isnt goofy. EVE Is Harsh, and EVE Is Cuthroat., and this should be reflected in ship design. They are built to do nothing other than Destroy, Kill, Murder, Pillage, then Destroy some More, with some **** thrown in for good measure (Exception Being the Industrial Ships)
I respectfully Disagree, but have a bump for good measure.
Heh, thanks.
But people seldom destroy and kill for money alone. Such people are called "pirates", and certainly they exist, but there are also 4 whole civilizations in EVE that have their own culture, lore, life, symbolisms, etc., etc. And - they are rich, they don't have to scrimp and save to make stuff to kill.
Amarr can afford gold and pointless ornamentation on their spaceships.
Gallente can afford flamboyant sexualized designs on their spaceships.
Caldari are utilitarian because their culture is corporate/fascist (Zaibatsu) - i.e. it's an ideologically driven reason.
Again, as with the other respondent above, yes, the Minmatar could be said to answer to the philosophy you're outlining. But again, they are also proud, proud of the fact that they've broken Amarr chains and are carving out their own space.
So for all the spaceships to be Caldarified, and the avatars to be Minmatarified, just doesn't suit the lore.
This is not, and never was meant to be a simple arena PvP game, it is and was always meant to be a multiplayer Elite, with a whole, complex cultural background to the Universe, which ought to be reflected in 4 unique design philospohies and looks.
If not, then let's just chuck the whole thing in the bin ffs, forget all the virtual world building crap, let's just have a pew-pew arena with a chat lobby, with spaceships that just look totally like unimaginative, unevocative symmetrical generic movie science fiction spaceships. Who cares?
But so long as there is a virtual world in New Eden, so long as there is a lore, then I'd say it's objectively the case that the art design is falling short of what it should be to represent that - it's on track to becoming bland, homogenized, and dull.
Beautifully implemented bland, homogenized and dull. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:49:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Now, the art design is suggestive of us as we are now, only a few hundred years from now. It's basically just gay bikers in space.
...and just LOOK at these FABULOUS results we get ! 
Oh...and GTFO. 
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
Get Off My Lawn
126
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:52:00 -
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Add more doodads, pointy things and ??????? to ships :)
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:58:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Add more doodads, pointy things and ??????? to ships :)
Tubes, cubes, and nernies.
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
345
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:00:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Add more doodads, pointy things and ??????? to ships :)
I did read in the Art Dept blog that they do want to add a lot more 'rotaty things' to ships.
Yay.
I like rotaty-things.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:45:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:The original Scorpion looked great. But non-Caldari complained, not understanding its weird functional beauty. Eventually their whining got foothold at the art department and now we have the ship actually look like a sodding symmetric scorpion, instead of just sharing some defining features.
With its asymmetry and tail it looked weird but VERY Caldari. Now it just looks ridiculous. Same with the Ibis both look more like something that belongs in from some high-budget SF anime.
edit: The old Scorp, together with the Raven and the Blackbird are the reason why I chose Caldari (I played the beta as Amarr and Gallente). I HATE the new art direction.
I hate the new scorpion.
I loved and would even pay aurum ( shudder ) just to get one of the old ones back to fly...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy
Caldari State
347
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:58:00 -
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Design aesthetics have been argued for centuries if not millenia.
It won't be finally solved here.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
203
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Posted - 2012.06.14 22:12:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:
I hate the new scorpion.
I loved and would even pay aurum ( shudder ) just to get one of the old ones back to fly...
I hate the old scorpion.
It was a horrid abomination of a battleship. While the new one strays too close to it's namesake, I would be glad to never see one of the originals again. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1355
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Posted - 2012.06.15 08:03:00 -
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/supported. |
Stridsflygplan
Ventures
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Posted - 2012.06.15 08:10:00 -
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+1
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.06.15 09:03:00 -
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I found myself agreeing with pretty much all this.
We need those useless(or were they?) visors and bad hairstyles. The Minmatar characteristic chin, that Khanid look that was almost klingonish. Outlandish clothes like the Gallente womans top that looked like clear plastic, the iconic Amarr head dress.
All these things made Eve - EVE! The styles and looks are actually just todays clothing now. T-Shirts, jackets, trousers and skirts. There is literally nothing that looks totally scifitastic any more.
The ships today I actually do like and wont complain about (apart from the new Vagas lack of ears and the police light on my Comet grrrr)
Bring back visual scifi, crazy hairdo's and dodgy clothes headsets, visors and head dress that look liek they 'do' have a purpose but no idea what it is. It is science FICTION, not some projection of todays stuff in a few decades time.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.15 18:32:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Snip
Yes, there are 4 Civilisations, and i fully agree that they should not all be the same ('Caldarified' as you put it)
But remember the bitter conflict betwqeen these civilisations and everything surounding them. The Caldari hate the Gallente, are at war with Minmatar because they are allied to Gallente, and, while not at war with amarr, they do dislike them. Not to mention the Pirates (Especially Sansha)
Now, back to ships and Modules (They are, after all, the basic building block of EVE)
IMO, 'Goofy' would detract from the overall look and feel of EVE. Each ship should appear Menacing, in its own (Racial) Way.
'Goofy' Isnt menacing, 'Goofy' isnt a threat. 'Goofy' is silly. In my own (personal) opinion, 'goofy', while not bad, is not what EVE is. Take, for example, the Naga, and especially the Talos. Both, IMO, sucessfull Designs that Illustrate Racial philosophy. Both highly menacing, in their own different way. Neither of them are necessarily 'goofy'
Now take, for example, the Moa. The Moa isnt menacing. The Moa is the height of Goofy. I Take one look at it and wonder 'Why? It could have been beautiful'
As Peta Michalek said, Spaceships are Serious busness, and the designs should reflect that. I struggle to look at a Moa with a straight face, and I believe this reduces immersion. Loss of immersion is bad, and, therefore, the Moa is bad.
Going back to your final paragraph in your OP - I still agree with it, but I beleive there is something Missing.
Make some things look like thety have an Obvious Function
Make some things look like they dont have an obvious function.
Make thigns look like they could believably function, regardless of whether that function is obvious or not.
Three Examples: The Talos, for one. It simply looks like it would work. Second is the Moa. It doesnt appear to be able to function properly. If it could fly at all, it would fly in circles. Third example is sort of straying from the others in that its a Turret (Alot of them, actually, but ill use one)
Some of them could function properly, yes, some of them couldnt (Looking at you, 650mm Repeating Artillery) yet the vast majority looks like they would, at best, be only able to fire a few shots before running out of ammo and being unable to reload.
They are goofy and non-functional because there is simply no way to reload them in space.
TL;DR Some 'goofy' is good, but in limited ammounts, and ONLY when it doesnt impede beleivability and function. Even if we dont know what something is supposed to do, we should rest assured at night that it can do it. Moa is Bad. Function leads to menace and beleivability, which leads to immersion and enjoyment.
TL;DR of my TL;DR Function is good, even when that function is unclear.
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Solhild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
727
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:03:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:Tobiaz wrote:The original Scorpion looked great. But non-Caldari complained, not understanding its weird functional beauty. Eventually their whining got foothold at the art department and now we have the ship actually look like a sodding symmetric scorpion, instead of just sharing some defining features.
With its asymmetry and tail it looked weird but VERY Caldari. Now it just looks ridiculous. Same with the Ibis both look more like something that belongs in from some high-budget SF anime.
edit: The old Scorp, together with the Raven and the Blackbird are the reason why I chose Caldari (I played the beta as Amarr and Gallente). I HATE the new art direction. I hate the new scorpion. I loved and would even pay aurum ( shudder ) just to get one of the old ones back to fly...
The new scorpion would be great if the model was flipped to fly backwards - seriously  |
Zoe Athame
Fweddit
70
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:13:00 -
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Solhild wrote:Ris Dnalor wrote:Tobiaz wrote:The original Scorpion looked great. But non-Caldari complained, not understanding its weird functional beauty. Eventually their whining got foothold at the art department and now we have the ship actually look like a sodding symmetric scorpion, instead of just sharing some defining features.
With its asymmetry and tail it looked weird but VERY Caldari. Now it just looks ridiculous. Same with the Ibis both look more like something that belongs in from some high-budget SF anime.
edit: The old Scorp, together with the Raven and the Blackbird are the reason why I chose Caldari (I played the beta as Amarr and Gallente). I HATE the new art direction. I hate the new scorpion. I loved and would even pay aurum ( shudder ) just to get one of the old ones back to fly... The new scorpion would be great if the model was flipped to fly backwards - seriously
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