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xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 01:36:00 -
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I'm putting together a group of people interested in organising some more law and civility within Empire space. This isn't a corporate recruitment, membership is organised by holding shares. Members will determine a framework for a 'civil authority' and draw up a political process. Send me an evemail for additional information or to become a member.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.11.01 01:47:00 -
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Wrong forums Bro.
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xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 01:52:00 -
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I invite a mod to move this thread to wherever is appropriate. I was hesitant to put it in the recruitment, because I'm not recruiting for a corp or alliance. However, I'd like it to be wherever is most appropriate.
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Aelisha
Gallente Nisaba Syndicate New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:02:00 -
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How exactly do you suppose you can enact any Law and Civility within empire space?
Not a troll, but I would assume that Concord and the likes would prevent any pre-emption of assault, and Concord deals with assaults/ganks in retrospect, invalidating your post-gank actions by proxy.
I am interested to see more than a 1 paragraph synopsis, as atm this seems half baked and wrongly posted. New banner soon! |
xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:09:00 -
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Well, the specifics would be determined by consensus of an elected body. However, my thought is dealing with things not regulated by CONCORD, like can-flipping and scamming. Eventually patrolling low-sec/high-sec borders of specific regions may even allow for the banning of 'criminals' from controlled space. All of this would be supported by a democratic assembly.
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Aelisha
Gallente Nisaba Syndicate New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:15:00 -
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Mechanically, as in within game mechanics, HOW would your prosposals work - Assume the 'democratic body' was at yoyr feet for these analyses please.
Also, how would a democratically elected body represent all of New Eden. Forinstance if i have 100 pilots in The Forge, and did not subscribe to your interpretation of 'law' - what would you classify me as, even if I didn't partake in criminal actions? How is your democratic body representative of anyone but it's constituents? Do your laws only apply to your constituents (only they 'benefit' from your legislation)?
These are all questions, moral and mechanical, that would need to be addressed before any serious corporation could lend muscle in good faith. New banner soon! |
xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:21:00 -
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True, the elected body would only be beholden to their 'citizens' (i.e. shareholders). non-citizens would be free to traverse controlled territory, but would be subjected to those laws. These laws would only be enforced within systems 'claimed' by this civil authority. Attempts would be made to have residents within that system (corps with offices there, frequent visitors, etc.) contacted and on board. If the majority of residents disagree, the authority moves on.
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Aelisha
Gallente Nisaba Syndicate New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:27:00 -
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Then I fear your plan is doomed to failure, as resistance will be widespread, and likely violent. You seek to impose a vision of order dictated by a democratic body not all will subscribe to, onto residents of unkowable manpower and ability, likely including the subsidiaries of major alliance funding their parent corps from the safety of Empire space.
Good luck, but I can assure you that if I received a mail informing me my home system was under 'civil authority jurisdiction' the reply would likely be a CONCORD mail explaining my views in more polite terms than I would care to, including a 24 hour timer. Scamming and Can flipping is avoidable through intelligence.
The lowest common denominator (aka Victims) should not be pandered to - they have to learn the hardway.
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xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:37:00 -
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The fact that its difficult doesnt mean it should be abandoned. I've purposely not plotted a specific course because thats what I want the assembly to do. My goal here is to get people on board to just talk, not lend muscle, money or anything other than time and thought. The concept I'm thinking of extends beyond physical security, it would cover things like credit, a helping hand to n00bs, even things like cheap regulated transport of goods.
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Neci Maren
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:37:00 -
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Participating in Government is a social contract. I lay down my rights of anarchy to be protected by you, or your government.
Why should I give up my freedom to live under your rules?
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xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:49:00 -
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They aren't my rules, they are our rules as mutually agreed. Once the assembly has laid down a basic structure (a constitution), elections would be held to determine representatives and a president. To avoid opposition, I'd even propose no 'policing' is done, we'll just focus on affordable hauling, credit determination and maybe even affordable lending. It's literally whatever we all decide.
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Neci Maren
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: xxxThe Doctorxxx They aren't my rules, they are our rules as mutually agreed. Once the assembly has laid down a basic structure (a constitution), elections would be held to determine representatives and a president. To avoid opposition, I'd even propose no 'policing' is done, we'll just focus on affordable hauling, credit determination and maybe even affordable lending. It's literally whatever we all decide.
As part of the ground floor of our government I vote that we disband. No focuses should be proposed in the future and no constitution drawn up. I believe I speak for the majority, but I imagine a roll call vote should be taken. I vote:
Aye.
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Nyxster
Gallente Gatecrashers
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:55:00 -
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Nice Plan Bro,
Lookin forward to killin every last man jack of you in the name of chaos and anarchy.
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xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 02:58:00 -
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The fact that anarchists abound in Eve is hardly unheard of, anyone out there support law and order? You don't even have to do anything with us, just speak up and let everyone know that there are still some good guys out there.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Neci Maren
Originally by: xxxThe Doctorxxx They aren't my rules, they are our rules as mutually agreed. Once the assembly has laid down a basic structure (a constitution), elections would be held to determine representatives and a president. To avoid opposition, I'd even propose no 'policing' is done, we'll just focus on affordable hauling, credit determination and maybe even affordable lending. It's literally whatever we all decide.
As part of the ground floor of our government I vote that we disband. No focuses should be proposed in the future and no constitution drawn up. I believe I speak for the majority, but I imagine a roll call vote should be taken. I vote:
Aye.
Seconded.
Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work. |
gnome proper
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: gnome proper on 01/11/2009 03:09:20
Originally by: xxxThe Doctorxxx The fact that anarchists abound in Eve is hardly unheard of, anyone out there support law and order? You don't even have to do anything with us, just speak up and let everyone know that there are still some good guys out there.
Are you somehow able to claim that anarchists aren¦t good people? It¦s a political point of view and philosophy, not a recipe for antisocial behaviour. Please educate yourself a little before attempting to generate a political system.
Anyway, your roleplaying of good old money-grabbing power politics have no purpose or meaning in Empire. You can, however, do it in nullsec. Best of luck!
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Dagobert Dog
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:10:00 -
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And how will you stop me from can flipping in a system you claimed? How do you want to do that with the current game mechanics?
Dag
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SULAN BARHIR
Gallente United League of Independents
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Neci Maren
Originally by: xxxThe Doctorxxx They aren't my rules, they are our rules as mutually agreed. Once the assembly has laid down a basic structure (a constitution), elections would be held to determine representatives and a president. To avoid opposition, I'd even propose no 'policing' is done, we'll just focus on affordable hauling, credit determination and maybe even affordable lending. It's literally whatever we all decide.
As part of the ground floor of our government I vote that we disband. No focuses should be proposed in the future and no constitution drawn up. I believe I speak for the majority, but I imagine a roll call vote should be taken. I vote:
Aye.
Seconded.
I propose a vote to kick these "members" out of the ECA. I vote aye.
Originally by: xxxThe Doctorxxx I'm putting together a group of people interested in organising some more law and civility within Empire space. This isn't a corporate recruitment, membership is organised by holding shares. Members will determine a framework for a 'civil authority' and draw up a political process. Send me an evemail for additional information or to become a member.
I for one, am curious about your idea. I say let's get's some basic ideas organized, and give it a go.
Forget about the naysayes!
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xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:13:00 -
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Assuming the assembly voted to enforce anti-canflipping laws, I'd probably say the 'police' would lay jetcans upon the request of miners. Were those cans flipped, the police would have kill rights on the flipper. Then its simply a case of paying attention and having more firepower.
As for anarchists being bad people, I'm not saying that per se. However, they aren't good guys. I'm rather well-educated, but that is my opinion regardless.
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Dagobert Dog
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: xxxThe Doctorxxx Assuming the assembly voted to enforce anti-canflipping laws, I'd probably say the 'police' would lay jetcans upon the request of miners. Were those cans flipped, the police would have kill rights on the flipper. Then its simply a case of paying attention and having more firepower.
Are you really thinking something like that would work under current game mechanics in empire? Im sorry, but under current game mechanics your atempts will fail horrybly. Yes you can try to bait can flippers, but how on earth would you stop scammers?
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SULAN BARHIR
Gallente United League of Independents
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dagobert Dog And how will you stop me from can flipping in a system you claimed? How do you want to do that with the current game mechanics?
Dag
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xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:22:00 -
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Again, I dont have all the answers. However, I think some kind of credit rating system could assist in preventing scams. The idea has been tossed about unsuccessfully on MD for awhile. The inability to judge creditworthiness or trustworthiness of individuals stifles financial development in Eve, this is evident. Finding some method of establishing trust would aid economic development.
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Dagobert Dog
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: SULAN BARHIR
Originally by: Dagobert Dog And how will you stop me from can flipping in a system you claimed? How do you want to do that with the current game mechanics?
Dag
Intelligence will be our advantage.
And how exectly do you plan to bring intelligence to all those carebear brains?
Dag
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xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:31:00 -
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I know from extensive mining experience that jet-can mining is many times more efficient than any other form of mining. The ability to discourage or prevent flipping would have huge benefits for miners.
By arranging for kill-rights on flippers, it should be possible to reduce the incidence of flipping in controlled space.
Why exactly wouldn't this work within the game's mechanics, as you intimated earlier?
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: xxxThe Doctorxxx I know from extensive mining experience that jet-can mining is many times more efficient than any other form of mining. The ability to discourage or prevent flipping would have huge benefits for miners.
By arranging for kill-rights on flippers, it should be possible to reduce the incidence of flipping in controlled space.
Why exactly wouldn't this work within the game's mechanics, as you intimated earlier?
Can flipper comes in in a shuttle. Flips can. You kill shuttle. Can flipper comes back in a battleship and kills you and happily goes on can flipping.
Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work. |
Fuuijin
Minmatar Khan Raiders
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Fuuijin on 01/11/2009 03:40:59 nvm google saved my brain
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xxxThe Doctorxxx
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:45:00 -
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Well, assuming we'd be patrolling in this fashion, we'd have the firepower to handle such things. I'm hardly talking of a couple of frigs hanging out, handling all the flippers.
I dont want to focus on the policing actions though, there are so many other things that could potentially occur. Policing may not even be something the assembly elects to do.
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Cadde
Gallente 221st Century Warfare
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: xxxThe Doctorxxx I know from extensive mining experience that jet-can mining is many times more efficient than any other form of mining. The ability to discourage or prevent flipping would have huge benefits for miners.
By arranging for kill-rights on flippers, it should be possible to reduce the incidence of flipping in controlled space.
Why exactly wouldn't this work within the game's mechanics, as you intimated earlier?
Can flipper comes in in a shuttle. Flips can. You kill shuttle. Can flipper comes back in a battleship and kills you and happily goes on can flipping.
Defender swaps ships with other pilot at safe spot in space. Defender now has battleship! Defender also has a fleet of remote reppers standing by in case things get ugly.
Profit?
My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cadde Profit?
Not when using a small fleet to defend a simple mining operation in hi-sec.
Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work. |
Cadde
Gallente 221st Century Warfare
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Posted - 2009.11.01 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Cadde Profit?
Not when using a small fleet to defend a simple mining operation in hi-sec.
Mining fleet is grateful for assistance, sends iskies? Stuff fitted to aggressors battleship worth something? E-Peen growth?
Profit?
My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
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