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Angelicore
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Posted - 2009.10.31 18:15:00 -
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Looking around the web I only find the same basic setups...one using a Gisti shield booster seems popular but I don't want to make myself a target. I just want something to boost my defenses as much as I can but not really hit into my yield. So basically, what do I put in mid slots? Also, any thoughts on a mackinaw?
I know this would be a more ships/mods discussion but I'd rather have miners reply and not pirates.
Thanks
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Taedrin
Gallente Tactical Command Sector
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Posted - 2009.10.31 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 31/10/2009 18:45:29 Edited by: Taedrin on 31/10/2009 18:44:18 A PvP Hulk fit?
I use something similar to this:
[Hulk, Mining] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade I
Small Shield Booster II 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Faint Warp Disruptor I [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Should be able to take care of any T1 frig that tries to flip your can. You will take a slight hit on your yield as you can only fit 1 T2 MLU, and 1 T1 MLU.
EDIT: Although I forgot to list them, don't forget about drones. Also don't forget that if you open fire on someone after they can flip you, they can return fire for 15 minutes. Even if you blow up their expendable T1 frig, they can come back in a HAC or recon and kill you. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
Angelicore
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Posted - 2009.10.31 19:02:00 -
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no no, looking to survive...not pvp.
I just want something that will give me max survivability fit wise against suicide ganking.
I'm already doing all the other stuff, alligning, watching local etc.
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Taedrin
Gallente Tactical Command Sector
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Posted - 2009.10.31 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 31/10/2009 19:11:14
Originally by: Angelicore no no, looking to survive...not pvp.
I just want something that will give me max survivability fit wise against suicide ganking.
I'm already doing all the other stuff, alligning, watching local etc.
Suicide ganks may be relatively difficult to guard against. The problem is that you are an expensive target with the tank of a wet paper towel. You only have the power grid to fit small modules, so you will find it difficult to survive against a suicide brutix or even a thorax. You don't have the spare CPU to fit many resistance mods, and you are about as agile as a slug.
The best defense against a suicide gank is to avoid them entirely by mining in a less crowded system. Unfortunately, those are far from market hubs.
EDIT: Another defense against suicide ganks is to use a covetor instead. You will take a significant hit to your yield, but you can insure a covetor, so the loss is much less severe. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.31 19:46:00 -
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Here are three Hulk fits for buffer. The higher the buffer, the lower the yield, so it's your choice. None will save you from people that want to kill you no matter what, but it may be good enough against copycat suicide monkeys that try stunts with less than overkill ships.
Fits go from max buffer to max yield, none have rigs, which can be used to further boost your tank/mining abilities:
[Hulk, Tank] Damage Control II Micro K-Exhaust Core Augmentation
Medium Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I
Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
[Hulk, Balanced] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Invulnerability Field II Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
[Hulk, Yield] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.01 15:40:00 -
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Moved to Ships and Modules.
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.11.01 17:43:00 -
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A cheap and effective way to boost the tank on a hulk is simply by adding a damage control II to one of the lows - the traditional 0.0 hulk with active boosting Deadspace/Faction tank has about 13k EHP, simply adding the damage control II to one of the lows gets you almost 15k before adding any shield tank to the mids, or rigs. you can get up to 25k ehp with a few resist modules and a couple of CDFE's.
Here's a fit -
3xModulated Strip Miner II
Photon Scattering Field II Heat Disappation Field II Invulnerability Field II Small Shield Extender II
Damage Control II Expanded Cargohold II
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender
No fancy deadspace or faction gear, and can get up to 25k EHP - almost twice the classic active tanking hulk fit.
Downside is no mining upgrades, you can maybe squeeze one on there by reducing the shield tank, but don't drop the damage control, it counts more towards your tank than anything else.
Also, run some missions, kill some rats - that'll raise your sec status, and if concord like you then they turn up more quickly, that's the kind of suicide gank protection that doesn't have any fitting problems.
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rubico1337
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:04:00 -
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12.5k ehp, and you still get your max ore yeild for all you carebears
[Hulk, suicide proof] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I Ancillary Ballistic Screen Stabilizer I Heat Dissipation Amplifier II 'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: rubico1337 12.5k ehp, and you still get your max ore yeild for all you carebears
[Hulk, suicide proof] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I Ancillary Ballistic Screen Stabilizer I Heat Dissipation Amplifier II 'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
5 minute timer is really killing me, but THANK YOU for someone finally fitting rigs. What are people smoking these days? --
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Catelco
La Isla del Mono
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Posted - 2009.11.01 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Illectroculus Defined
Also, run some missions, kill some rats - that'll raise your sec status, and if concord like you then they turn up more quickly, that's the kind of suicide gank protection that doesn't have any fitting problems.
Can anyone confirm this? Is Concord response time related to player Sec status?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.01 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Catelco
Originally by: Illectroculus Defined
Also, run some missions, kill some rats - that'll raise your sec status, and if concord like you then they turn up more quickly, that's the kind of suicide gank protection that doesn't have any fitting problems.
Can anyone confirm this? Is Concord response time related to player Sec status?
No. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.11.01 22:00:00 -
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I've been thinking about suicide proofing hulks, it's hard to get a decent enough buffer due to the hulks lack of cpu and grid. I've been toying with the idea of ECM to prevent one of them getting off more than one volley. I've gone with Magetometric jammers as Gallente blaster ships seem to be the weapon of choice.
[Hulk, Hulk test] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Survey Scanner I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
This is completely untested, and reliant on good ECM skills which a lot of miners won't have. I feel a practical test is in order.
Comments?
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.01 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kurfin I've been thinking about suicide proofing hulks, it's hard to get a decent enough buffer due to the hulks lack of cpu and grid. I've been toying with the idea of ECM to prevent one of them getting off more than one volley. I've gone with Magetometric jammers as Gallente blaster ships seem to be the weapon of choice.
[Hulk, Hulk test] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Survey Scanner I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I 'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
This is completely untested, and reliant on good ECM skills which a lot of miners won't have. I feel a practical test is in order.
Comments?
Really, really bad idea tbh. --
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.11.01 22:06:00 -
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Thought it might be, just throwing it out there.
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Arte
The Darkness Within
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Posted - 2009.11.01 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kurfin Thought it might be, just throwing it out there.
In the first instance, it doesn't help you in the slightest against bombageddons and their like. The only way to survive a suicide attack is with a buffer tank and hope you last out till concord get there or you can warp clear (being aligned and all that good stuff). --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Whisper "So you're going to have to do some actual thinking..."
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.11.01 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 01/11/2009 23:15:14 Not exactly a fitting but hear me out:
Spend some serious time in lowsec (not 0.0; you want to be in pure pirate territory) in a Covetor. Expect to lose a few. Maybe even lose some pods. But imho there's no better way to develop a really solid gtfo instinct and honestly that'll save you more often than any minor tweaks to a fitting.
If the yield hit is too high to consider then either a) suck it up and lose a Hulk or two or b) get a jump clone and split your time.
Edit: Oh, and to clarify: the pith/gist fit is very much designed for 0.0 and permatanking otherwise tough belt rats. Anyone claiming it helps against suicide ganking is insane.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.01 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 01/11/2009 23:15:14 Not exactly a fitting but hear me out:
Spend some serious time in lowsec (not 0.0; you want to be in pure pirate territory) in a Covetor. Expect to lose a few. Maybe even lose some pods. But imho there's no better way to develop a really solid gtfo instinct and honestly that'll save you more often than any minor tweaks to a fitting.
If the yield hit is too high to consider then either a) suck it up and lose a Hulk or two or b) get a jump clone and split your time.
Edit: Oh, and to clarify: the pith/gist fit is very much designed for 0.0 and permatanking otherwise tough belt rats. Anyone claiming it helps against suicide ganking is insane.
I still don't understand how people lose pods in low sec... --
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.11.02 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Zhilia Mann Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 01/11/2009 23:15:14 Not exactly a fitting but hear me out:
Spend some serious time in lowsec (not 0.0; you want to be in pure pirate territory) in a Covetor. Expect to lose a few. Maybe even lose some pods. But imho there's no better way to develop a really solid gtfo instinct and honestly that'll save you more often than any minor tweaks to a fitting.
If the yield hit is too high to consider then either a) suck it up and lose a Hulk or two or b) get a jump clone and split your time.
Edit: Oh, and to clarify: the pith/gist fit is very much designed for 0.0 and permatanking otherwise tough belt rats. Anyone claiming it helps against suicide ganking is insane.
I still don't understand how people lose pods in low sec...
Me neither.
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Zhilia Mann
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Posted - 2009.11.02 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos
Originally by: Marcus Druallis I still don't understand how people lose pods in low sec...
Me neither.
You're a miner. Not only have you never engaged in PvP, you don't even know what this "scanner" thing is that people occasionally talk about. The local channels you're used to is spammed by scammers; you never open that. You know you have a three minute (or so) cycle time on your strips and don't really need to do anything between that. Your tank holds against belt rats. You need some coffee. You know that it's supposed to be dangerous out here but you haven't seen anyone in a few hours. (Or worse: you haven't seen anyone in a few hours that wasn't just passing through.)
Still don't see how anyone loses a pod in low sec?
I think I've lost something like three. First one to a war dec I hadn't paid any attention to. Second one to a good sniper camp with decent tackle. Third to lag.
It can happen. Not if you do it right, but it can happen.
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2009.11.02 04:29:00 -
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ehm, might sound as if this is a waste of time....alt tempest sitting on the belt? lol....or RR, or rook, something to kill/ewar the ganker.
Its out of the box, but it certainely would make you gank proof :S
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Sumelar
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Posted - 2009.11.02 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis
I still don't understand how people lose pods in low sec...
Warp bubbles, smartbombs, stealth bombers, darwinism, take your pick.
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Talon Calais
Gallente 1st Steps Academy Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.02 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sumelar
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
low sec...
Warp bubbles, stealth bombers
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.02 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Talon Calais
Originally by: Sumelar
Originally by: Marcus Druallis low sec...
Warp bubbles, stealth bombers
^^ What he said…
But yes, smartbombs can be nasty at times. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Maisonian
Amarr The Green Machine
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Posted - 2009.11.02 12:52:00 -
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There is the old tried and tested trick of suiciding an alt in the belt. Causes Concord NPCs to spawn and exact their 'swift justice' on your poor alts noobfrig...and then hang around for a good few hours. Say hello to your own personal NPC gaurds.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.03 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Talon Calais
Originally by: Sumelar
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
low sec...
Warp bubbles, stealth bombers
I can see smart bombs if you're just not paying attn. But I see way too many people actually let it get pointed. That's what I don't understand.
And I don't really buy the whole miner excuse. If he was a TRUE carebear, wouldn't he be mining in empire anyway? --
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