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Blood Rebel
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Posted - 2009.10.30 22:21:00 -
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Have played eve for about 3 years and alot have changed some changes are good and some changes a bad.
But empire have change to the bad i think : (
I dont play much and when i do play its mostly mining and sometimes mission. But im really like the mining and talk to people i know and just have fun and relaxing. The problem is that i get killed alot in empire latly and poded and im neutral. This mean that i soon have to leave the game because i dont get the isk need to buy ship for and it takes alot of time to get new ship.
I mostly mining ice because its relaxing and some people say its boring but i like it. In the past i have been in 0.0 to but irl goes up and down depending how much time i have. This changes has made empire to a new 0.0 Why? because if u have alot isk or if u have 0.0 access u can kill peps easy without any real punishment. If u leave 0.0 u just jump to empire kill a miner and u could jump to 0.0 and start over. This leave us player that not have the isk or time and likes mining. Yes they have to pay insurens but some of them only want the kill all they are after and with 0.0 access the can easy get isk to repay their ship.
Soo i feel that its no room for player like me anymore in eve that only want to have fun without war.
If u dont want to change the game to much just do changes on the mac make it harder to kill but slower to jump with it (maybe stop some macrominers).
Maybe could be more text but im tired to get podded because im like to mine : (
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Jakooni
United Amarr Templar Legion Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2009.10.30 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jakooni on 30/10/2009 22:26:10
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Dharh
Gallente Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.30 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Dharh on 30/10/2009 22:42:51 Join a corp so you can do mining operations together. Otherwise you are SOL.
Frankly speaking empire is too protective and should possibly be rebalanced to afford _less_ CONCORD interference.
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Mike C
Caldari Ipuvaepe Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.30 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mike C on 30/10/2009 23:00:04 What in the hell are you on? Over the past three years NOTHING in empire has become more dangerous. Concord is unkillable, and can even instapop titans. You now get concorded for shooting a POS (before, concord didn't interfere with POS attacks in highsec), and RRing criminals is now a criminal offense as well.
EDIT 1/1: Also, can you please leave whatever it is you are on taped to my helios' door in jita 4-4? sounds like some strong ****. __________________________________________________
Originally by: Mike C Trolls - We keep Humanity alive... and kicking...
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Melted Shadow
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Posted - 2009.10.30 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Melted Shadow on 30/10/2009 23:23:10 Its not safer to mine in empire even i u are in a corp. More miner in same blob means more kill faster for the one that want to kill ship.
Is it hard to kill a mac? no its really easy.
0.0 and lowsec could be the place where u the real pvp could be in my world but we all have diffrent idees about that. Because if u want to their is 0.0 or lowsec
Why make empire unsafer when their is a whole region where u can pvp in.
What is happen is that player like me dont have any room in eve to play in. Many think its good that its pvp everywere in eve but their is people like that wants only the mining part and the mission part.
We may have diffrent plans for eve but if their is more option for player meaning that their is more safe space it could be more space for "diffrent" player. More player gives more incomming. Means that is more money to for the company(ccp). More money give use a better game in a long run. If player stop playing their is less money for better servers etc.
That why im want a unsafer 0.0 lowsec and a safer empire.
(alt) by the way im going on my feet ^^
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Jugon
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Posted - 2009.10.31 00:12:00 -
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*sniff* I smell a Troll ...
If high sec is really that dangerous for you, you are doing something wrong ...
Join a Corp Don't Jet Can Mine Don't fall for Can Flipper Tricks.
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Mike C
Caldari Ipuvaepe Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.31 00:14:00 -
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Second most efficient mining ship when it comes to ore is actually a Rokh with modulated mining lasers and T2 crystals, first is the hulk. Rokh has a bit more standard buffer then most mining ships, fly it. __________________________________________________
Originally by: Mike C Trolls - We keep Humanity alive... and kicking...
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Blood Rebel
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Posted - 2009.10.31 08:02:00 -
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Join a Corp Don't Jet Can Mine Don't fall for Can Flipper Tricks.
Sometimes its nice if people could read the text before they post any text. Its not safer to mine with a corp how hard is it to understand. The mac isnt geting better even if u mine with hundred of peps. Its still easy to pop.
Soo if i get poped in a mac im doing something wrong? Why is it that everytime a miner get poped hes doing it wrong? I have mined alot and do the drill. Have even been in 0.0 and mined. I lose more ship in empire when i mine than when i mined in 0.0
Im in empire because i dont have the time to be in 0.0 what corp want a player that only mine for him self and dont care about the rest in corp not many...
For 3 years ago u could mine safe in empire without getting popped by random peps that wanted the kill.
Im only want to mine in peace make some isk and when i have time i have isk for pvp in 0.0
Dont see why empire have to be unsafe when their is big areas of 0.0 lowsec where peps that want to pvp could do that.
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Iman Atheist
Gangrel Mining and Security Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.11.04 23:43:00 -
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LOL at thread
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WuChiJIanRen
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Posted - 2009.11.05 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Rebel Have played eve for about 3 years and alot have changed some changes are good and some changes a bad.
But empire have change to the bad i think : (
I dont play much and when i do play its mostly mining and sometimes mission. But im really like the mining and talk to people i know and just have fun and relaxing. The problem is that i get killed alot in empire latly and poded and im neutral. This mean that i soon have to leave the game because i dont get the isk need to buy ship for and it takes alot of time to get new ship.
I mostly mining ice because its relaxing and some people say its boring but i like it. In the past i have been in 0.0 to but irl goes up and down depending how much time i have. This changes has made empire to a new 0.0 Why? because if u have alot isk or if u have 0.0 access u can kill peps easy without any real punishment. If u leave 0.0 u just jump to empire kill a miner and u could jump to 0.0 and start over. This leave us player that not have the isk or time and likes mining. Yes they have to pay insurens but some of them only want the kill all they are after and with 0.0 access the can easy get isk to repay their ship.
Soo i feel that its no room for player like me anymore in eve that only want to have fun without war.
If u dont want to change the game to much just do changes on the mac make it harder to kill but slower to jump with it (maybe stop some macrominers).
Maybe could be more text but im tired to get podded because im like to mine : (
You may do your mining in missions......
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Dharh
Gallente Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.05 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Rebel
Join a Corp Don't Jet Can Mine Don't fall for Can Flipper Tricks.
Sometimes its nice if people could read the text before they post any text. Its not safer to mine with a corp how hard is it to understand. The mac isnt geting better even if u mine with hundred of peps. Its still easy to pop.
Soo if i get poped in a mac im doing something wrong? Why is it that everytime a miner get poped hes doing it wrong? I have mined alot and do the drill. Have even been in 0.0 and mined. I lose more ship in empire when i mine than when i mined in 0.0
Im in empire because i dont have the time to be in 0.0 what corp want a player that only mine for him self and dont care about the rest in corp not many...
For 3 years ago u could mine safe in empire without getting popped by random peps that wanted the kill.
Im only want to mine in peace make some isk and when i have time i have isk for pvp in 0.0
Dont see why empire have to be unsafe when their is big areas of 0.0 lowsec where peps that want to pvp could do that.
1) I have mined for a long time in high sec, I do not get popped, hell I've been can flipped a grand total of _one_ time.
2) It makes _ZERO_ sense for CONCORD to randomly appear anywhere except near stations and gates and pop whoever is attacking you. None, nadda, zeit.
3) If you are getting popped and they are not, then yeah you are doing something seriously wrong.
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guska Cryotank
Gallente ZCMI Magnum Opus.
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Posted - 2009.11.05 08:28:00 -
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I can understand the sentiment behind all this, but in all reality, it's NOT that easy to gank a Hulk. I have tried (yes, I know I was doing it wrong). As I understand it, highsec has actually been buffed a few times in the last few years, and the only thing that has made it 'more dangerous' is people getting to intimately understand the aggression, GCC and CONDORD mechanics, and decide to USE them (notice I did NOT say ABUSE).
Highsec is exactly that, High Security, NOT Perfect and Infallible Super Security (P.I.S.Stm). There is risk. The only thing you can do that is 100% zero risk is sit in your starter NPC station and NEVER undock.
Why oh why do people continue to whine about bloody highsec? You'd think that nothing bad ever happens in the real world because there are police forces. EVE is a harsh, brutal world, I love it, you just need to get used to it, and take precautions.
Top for you, always park your barge more than 20km from the warp in point of a belt and sit aligned, that way you almost always have time to GTFO when someone comes in to the belt, as unless they have bonuses, a warp disruptor has a 20km range, and it's unlikely someone will pop even a retriever in highsec from that distance out in the time it takes you to hit warp and/or CONCORD to roll up. I could be wrong though...
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2009.11.05 08:36:00 -
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I recommend finding a nice low traffic system, 8 jumps from the nearest hub, maybe a nice 1 gate system or cul-de-sac, and relax.
remember, 5% of people are jerks, more people in local, the better chance one of them is a jerk.
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Prince Spiderman
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Posted - 2009.11.05 08:53:00 -
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Can you explain how you get killed that often and by what kind of ships. Are you talking about suicide ganks or what happens exactly. We need to understand what makes high-sec "unsafe" for you otherwise be not surprised when a lot of wisenheimer will flame your thread :-)
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Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
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Posted - 2009.11.05 08:55:00 -
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Quote: H.T.F.U.
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mchief117
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:40:00 -
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Personaly i belive that unfortunatly all the power in combat is currently in the hands of the 5% of the jerks out there who only feel good about them selfs by blowing holes in miners ships. any mining barge out there thats fit to mine and not tank can be killed with one maybe 2 shots from a pvp ship. and a ship fitted to tanks doesnt to its primary job very well. that coupled with the only way to stop a prate from killing your ships is to shoot first and kill him but this even cant be done due to then he get corded.
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Jugon
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Posted - 2009.11.05 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Rebel
Join a Corp Don't Jet Can Mine Don't fall for Can Flipper Tricks.
Sometimes its nice if people could read the text before they post any text. Its not safer to mine with a corp how hard is it to understand. The mac isnt geting better even if u mine with hundred of peps. Its still easy to pop.
Soo if i get poped in a mac im doing something wrong? Why is it that everytime a miner get poped hes doing it wrong? I have mined alot and do the drill. Have even been in 0.0 and mined. I lose more ship in empire when i mine than when i mined in 0.0
Im in empire because i dont have the time to be in 0.0 what corp want a player that only mine for him self and dont care about the rest in corp not many...
For 3 years ago u could mine safe in empire without getting popped by random peps that wanted the kill.
Im only want to mine in peace make some isk and when i have time i have isk for pvp in 0.0
Dont see why empire have to be unsafe when their is big areas of 0.0 lowsec where peps that want to pvp could do that.
Mining in empire , in my hulk , as I type this , and have been doing so All Day , and Usually do so in some form or another every day...
I've been can flipped ... I've been popped by making the wrong choice to attack the Flipper... and I've baited Can flippers to watch them get popped.
While I do advocate that Mining and Industrial ships defenses need to be improved when it comes to 0 sec and Low Sec stuff (which is a different post)
Again if you are having PVP issues in High Sec space , then something is being done wrong, and I agree with another poster that more information is needed (which at that point this thread would be more appropriate in the mining and industry forums).
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David Grogan
Gallente Final Conflict UK Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2009.11.17 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: David Grogan on 17/11/2009 11:25:37 i proposed a fair solution
make all (t1 & t2) barges much harder to kill (better tank vs a small pvp gang) & give it a drone damage bonus
BUT
make concord less responsive (maybe 2 mins before showing up in an 0.5 sec system and reduce that time by 10% per higher sec level)
this would allow a small (cowardly yes ye should be fighting combat ships not industrials) ganker fleet some time to kill a barge before concord show up but also allows the miner time to call in help SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
Nian Banks
Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.11.17 12:23:00 -
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The current concord and sec level system is fine, it works according to plan and is not broken.
What isn't fine is the change in attitude of many of the wannabe pirates and the abuse of the insurance system. Previously, normal miners were left along for the most part, some can flipper existed but it was more of a game to egg on the miner, then came the little bastards who decided every miner was fair game and so fit out cheap destroyer filled suicide gangs.
Their attitude stinks, their actions do not help the game but are hurting it, ccp will undoubtedly do something drastic at some stage.
But in truth, all that is needed is for mining barges and exhumers to get a hefty amount of powergrid and a little more CPU, so as to let them fit a good tank and perhaps a speed mod.
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Evelisk
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Posted - 2009.11.17 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Evelisk on 17/11/2009 13:45:23
Originally by: Dharh
Originally by: Blood Rebel
Join a Corp Don't Jet Can Mine Don't fall for Can Flipper Tricks.
Sometimes its nice if people could read the text before they post any text. Its not safer to mine with a corp how hard is it to understand. The mac isnt geting better even if u mine with hundred of peps. Its still easy to pop.
theres really a lot of stupid ppl commenting on this thread. if u know that u have something stupid to say, just turn around to a diff. site. are u guys here to add to ur total posts or are u here to actually think with the guy's problem?? he is being killed for the fun of it, cus some old players that call themselves PVPer are going to belts and pop players on random. im sure they have figured out what ship can do the job so that they wont lose too much. cus yes as the author said, they also loose their ship but thats nothing near the cost of the mac. and even if concord do intervene, they do so too slow.
ages ago i stopped playing EVE cus of this game mechanism failure. yes thats what i call it. i dont care if CCP have COncord acting on aggressive players and kill them after i lose billions and all the drops are collected by another friend standing by in a hauler. highsec is supose to be safe, it was said so for ages and then all of a sudden ppl by-pass it.. and then CCP call it what? no it was never safe in highsec everyone can kill everyone, but if u do so u get punished by concord. how by giving the aggressor a headstart ?
it shouldnt work that way, and what did they do to counter this problem? bigger standing loss dont make me laugh....
all the so called pvpers that abuse the game mechanics are nothing more but pvp wannabe carebears and thats why they kill miners and such in highsec. they should be killing each other in low/nullsec if they really have the balls to be real PVPers.
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DMac88
Caldari PROject Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.17 22:31:00 -
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Im an empire miner and i have been popped =) -->what is this empire miners anonymous haha.
I luv eve and the fact that it is a harsh and brutal world and if a pirate wants to go round popping miners for a kick and some easy iskies.... im all for that =)
The thing i dont think is balanced is that a tech II barge can not defend its self against gankers. I get scrambled and popped before I can login and undock my alt to come help. I am in corp but if corpmates are even up to ONE system away there is no chance they will get there in time, and my shield tank is pretty good!! More balance would be nice, leave concord outta this. Tech II barges need just a lil more hp so that there is a slightly increased risk for can flippers that there will be consequences i.e. someone will actually be able to turn up in time to save you- just like the butterfly effect video =) that would be cool. Of course a balance in needed- not too much hp+ just enough.
The other thing that is exploited is can flipping. I dont mind the risk of being popped in empire- thats cool. The fact that i dont have kill rights on the indy that stole my ore is stupid. My solution--- Stolen goods should be hot!!! If u steal any item from someone anyone who receives that item within say 15mins of the felony should be warned. You are receiving stolen goods- Concord and the corp of the person the goods should belong to will kill the **** out of you if they see u- or at least theyll try =)
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OzDeaDMeaT
Gallente The Goodies
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Posted - 2009.11.18 02:22:00 -
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Empire should be for those people who do not wish to be involved in the PvP part of the game. Sure some of the cooler end game parts of eve are only available in low or 0.0 sec space but for most 'carebears' they will never see either. Griefing in general is starting to get out of hand in Eve and eventually CCP will work out that being a ****tard because you can will in the end reduce the amount of 'casual gamers' that come to eve. Not everyone wants to kill people. Some people just wanna jump online, do a mission or 2 with friends or family and log. Having to worry about war dec's or can flippers ****ing things up cause they feel the need to be anti-social will eventually become SO ingrained that it will become a mini-profession if it hasn't already.
To fix this CCP needs to
1. Remove War Dec's to Corps that are not in Alliances or have some kind of 'no pvp' tag 2. Ban repeat high sec suicide kill players
If Eve was ONLY a PvP game there would be no industry, missions or NPC's. Eve should be a PvE game as much as a PvP game and unfortunately CCP keep flogging the PvP horse towards the PvE players. If people only want to PvP they can, but if people ONLY want to PvE they can't.
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Nobani
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.18 19:12:00 -
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If you don't want mandatory PvP, don't play EVE.
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DMac88
Caldari PROject Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.19 23:19:00 -
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C'mon now, no need to deter ppl from this epically awesome game. So empire is not as safe as it once was... thats ok. But ppl shouldn't HAVE to engage in pvp if they dont want to (thou i cant c why they wouldnt coz its epic fun). Compromise? Have a lot less 1.0 security systems (maybe 3 per race in empire) and increase concord's presence in this systems substantially (im talking patrols, presence at belts etc)! Then you will have happy carebears mining veld like there is no tomorrow (coz that would be the only ore present, naturally we cant have it all) and then when they feel ready to advance to the next stage of the game they can. |
Altie McName
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Posted - 2009.11.20 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: OzDeaDMeaT If Eve was ONLY a PvP game there would be no industry, missions or NPC's. Eve should be a PvE game as much as a PvP game and unfortunately CCP keep flogging the PvP horse towards the PvE players. If people only want to PvP they can, but if people ONLY want to PvE they can't.
If there wasn't mining and industry to make the weapons, modules, ships, and ammunition to fuel the pvp side, there wouldn't be much reason to play eve aside from arena style spaceship fights. The carebear side feeds the pvp side just as much as pvp fuels carebears.
Also, look at high sec as like a bank. You can walk in, do your business, but you can also walk in with a gun and shoot someone. You will of course suffer the consequences, but doesn't mean someones stopping you. Apply that with the eve mechanics, someone can fly around, decide to flip your can (in which case you could suggest alternative methods since you know the risk of can usage) or suicide gank you, they lose their ship and take a security hit. If you tanked out your ship some, likely you survived and they did that for nothing, or you took the risk and have the undesired outcome. --- CCP wants you to HTFU! |
Hesperius
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Posted - 2009.11.20 18:00:00 -
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I log in. Nobody in system. Go to the next system. Nobody here. Next... same... This goes on.
"Well darn it...
Fine, I'm -10 anyway, Ill go to high sec and suicide gank someone there if they are all just going to hide in high sec."
If you feel high sec is unsafe it is because you made it that way by hiding there.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.20 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hesperius I log in. Nobody in system. Go to the next system. Nobody here. Next... same... This goes on.
"Well darn it...
Fine, I'm -10 anyway, Ill go to high sec and suicide gank someone there if they are all just going to hide in high sec."
If you feel high sec is unsafe it is because you made it that way by hiding there.
That's an interesting take on it I guess.
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Roland Deschaines
Minmatar The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2009.11.20 19:57:00 -
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CCP have repeatedly stated that they don't want Eve to be safe. It's a harsh place where bad things happen.
What you think about what's fair, what's deterring the player base, or any other such concerns, are irrelevant, because CCP have decided that they want miners to be gankable and that's that.
-- Monsieur Rolly
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Precentor Saggitus
Amarr The Argonauts
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Roland Deschaines CCP have repeatedly stated that they don't want Eve to be safe. It's a harsh place where bad things happen.
Probably the best part of EVE, and I'm largely an miner/industrialist. Every venture has risk to it and everyone has to stay on their toes. While there are places of relative safety which is good, it is also good there are no places of complete safety (with the exception of staying docked, which of course has no reward). That players can be ganked at any time anyplace if the will to do so is great enough goes a long way to keeping some of the worse elements that plague so many MMOs out.
In my experience high sec space is safe enough as it needs to be - if you're continually getting griefed there I can only ask what you did to draw such attention upon yourself to warrant it? --------------------------------- |
Guilty Bystander
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Posted - 2009.11.20 20:22:00 -
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1. Most ice miners are bots (yes, yes, I understand...you are different) and people hate bots. Get in a Hulk and mine something else.
2. If you must mine ice, stay away from the crowd. Being packed in like sardines in a can makes the suicide more efficient. They are less likely to go after the lone wolf.
3. Just because you are mining in hisec doesn't mean you don't need to pay attention to your tank. The Mack can't fit much but it can fit some.
4. If you come to the forum and post that something needs to be made easier/safer, be prepared to textually abused, as is right and proper.
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