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Cikness
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Posted - 2009.10.27 01:42:00 -
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Currently, I use a salvager to clean up my missions. Would I save on the time and make more cash if I just looted/salvaged the battleships?
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Laerelyn Love
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Posted - 2009.10.27 03:49:00 -
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My .02$
If you're gonna salvage anything in a mission room, why not clean up the entire room? i've found plenty of 4-5mil meta 4 modules in frigate wrecks. many higher sp players just farm their missions for bounties and sp, and may only loot/salvage the missions that they have found to be profitable during past experiences.
Try a "salvacane." It can be fitted to hold a pretty big cargo space, and of course fits the 4/4 slavager/tract. most setups also perma their mwds.
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Admiral Byng
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Posted - 2009.10.27 04:20:00 -
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I love my Salvacane! Just wondering if people think it would be more isk per hour to just salvage/loot the big ships.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.10.27 05:17:00 -
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If you are solo with no alts, it is probably better isk/hour to just loot the big wrecks while you mission and never return. Just run another mission and pimp those bounties out.
If you are going to go back with a salvagecane, you might as grab the med wrecks at least while you are there. Smalls are pretty worthless.
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CrazySpaceHobo
Caldari Mysterys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.27 11:21:00 -
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I personally dont bother, I use the tractor on my mission boat to loot the large guns from the big wrecks (yaay 700m3 cargo and a utility high) otherwise it really is much more ISK/Hour to skip salvaging and hit anothe mission altogether.
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Solomar Espersei
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 18:46:00 -
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I'm your competition for that salvage, and I can tell you that you've a better chance of flummoxing young ninjas if you leave the rooms partially intact (take the big guns & plates, leave the junk). That way, those who want to loot (and that's a very high percentage of ninjas once you've completely left the mission or system) safely have to slow down, scan all the wrecks, etc.
I would ALWAYS do this in crap missions like Gurista & Drones. In fact, I'm not sure I'd even accept a drone mission (honestly, I won't accept any mission given past experience, but that's beside the point).
If I were to take up MR, I'd loot the large wrecks as described and move on to my next mission. More money, more fun per hour invested in the game. I'd have a Ninjas boat rigged up so that I could race back into the "good missions" and hit the large & medium wrecks. Alternatively, kit out a marauder and try to salvage as you go.
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Irdia Freelancer
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Posted - 2009.10.28 19:00:00 -
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Some drone missions are very profitable. But some are so experienced that they dont realise this ...
Eg there is one drone mission I do, works out around 70 mil isk/hr (blitz and loot/salv the battleships), but there are those that are so experienced that 70 mil isk/hr is just not profitable ...
I find its worth checking the loot on any non drone wrecks as is often higher meta equip and tags. while often its the common tags, can often get tags that can sell for few mil each. Can also get things like heavy missile launchers - the best named ones which sell for like 17 mil each when last looked. Best named modules generally worth good isk, as are the larger modules like 100mn mwd's and 1600 mm plates. Over the last year, have collected about 15 of those heavy launchers alone from mostly cruiser sized wrecks. If you salv a battleship can often get over a dozen or more bits of T1 salv. If armor plates, melted cap consoles, trit bars etc, that can regularly add up to a few mil of salv off one ship. Can also get nothing, or some metal scraps.
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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.10.29 14:12:00 -
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I salvage based on the type of enemy i've just faced, Angels are a prime example, although some merc missions can drop good meta4 loot.
Really comes down to knowing your missions in your racial area of space. And then how much time you want to focus in what is a chance based income ( salvaging )
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.10.29 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: NyteTyger on 29/10/2009 15:11:06 Edited by: NyteTyger on 29/10/2009 15:09:37 Why do people in this game constantly link looting and salvaging? You can do one without the other. I don't always Salvage (run a salvager on wrecks) my missions), but I always loot (checking/taking dropped items).
I can understand that with Salvage prices tanked, it's not always profitable to salvage every mission. I routinely do, but then I have an production alt that turns those into CCCs and ACRs, which sell like crack in missions hubs. 10 mil a rck adds up quick Well, that and I have a one year old that routinely costs me mission ships, so it's good to have extra rigs on hand
But looting? How's that even optional when you're looking at maxing profits from a mission? I loot everything, but again, indy alt turns crap loot into ships. But you guys aren't even cherry picking the loot for Meta 3 and 4s? That's a HUGE loss of income potential! It almost brings me to tears to think of the Arbalest launchers, 1600mm plates, and Prototype Gauss guns you guys have left to rot in space I've looted 4 Arby cruise launchers in one mission before, that's 44m one of you non-looters didn't get paid!
Are you guys seriously saying you don't loot at all, not even cherry pickin' ? It's a blaspheme to the MMO gods not to loot, you'll bring about your own destruction!
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Dabljuh
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Posted - 2009.10.29 15:55:00 -
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I myself did some very vague and rather unscientific testing a while back and found that looting and salvaging both produce more isk over time than mission rewards + bounties + LP. What looting and salvaging doesn't produce is standing and sec rating which you can't buy.
There's another reason not to loot however - it can kill your buzz. going from one room to the next and blowing up everything is much easier if you don't need to stop for 15 minutes of going through everything again with a salvage ship.
This also explains the appeal of the salvaging solo-domi: you can go with the flow and don't need to change a bit about what you do over hours and still get the salvage and the bounties. Of course you're (likely) faster with a raven + tractorcane combo, redock included. But that's cross-ship-skills. And then you have to change your mindset every 15 minutes from "kill" to "mining wrecks"
As for the OPs question: Drones, yes. With drones the only thing worth looting is BS and everything else you just do when it synergizes. Regular rats: Probably not, but that depends on too many details to say accurately. You'll miss out on those cruiser- and frigate sized meta4 items that go for ridiculous prices.
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heirena leadies
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Posted - 2009.10.29 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: NyteTyger I've looted 4 Arby cruise launchers in one mission before, that's 44m one of you non-looters didn't get paid!
44m?
I wan't to know what hub you go to |
Tanith YarnDemon
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Posted - 2009.10.29 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: heirena leadies
Originally by: NyteTyger I've looted 4 Arby cruise launchers in one mission before, that's 44m one of you non-looters didn't get paid!
44m?
I wan't to know what hub you go to
He's probably talking about heavy missile launchers and not cruise.
Personally, I only salvage BS's or nothing at all. Why? The battleships provides the _highest_ average wreck income. That doesn't mean I won't get 0 isk from a BS, or that I won't get 20m from a cruiser, it just means I can't salvage all without leaving my guns cold, and guns will still be the main income.
Target is to minimize the time where either is cold, and that is normally done by leaving most of the wrecks behind and starting a new batch of NPCs.
When I say I loot nothing at all I mean the missions that stand out in some way. If you've found a hole that needs to be covered in the LP-store and can score a few thousand extra isk/lp or if you need standing and hence won't find yourself in a marauder but some ship that's faster at doing missions, without salvage.
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.10.29 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tanith YarnDemon
Originally by: heirena leadies
Originally by: NyteTyger I've looted 4 Arby cruise launchers in one mission before, that's 44m one of you non-looters didn't get paid!
44m?
I wan't to know what hub you go to
He's probably talking about heavy missile launchers and not cruise.
Yeah, I was
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Mahke
Aeon Of Strife
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Posted - 2009.10.29 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Byng I love my Salvacane! Just wondering if people think it would be more isk per hour to just salvage/loot the big ships.
If there are at least 2 BS wrecks full of loot AND mission is in your agent system; loot. Grab other stuff with tractors while going from BS wreck to BS wreck: its better to get a cruiser or BC wreck with loot in it than an empty BS wreck.
For each jump you have to make to get to the system from agent system, add one full BS wreck to whether its worth it.
That's my personal rule of thumb for sansha and blood after the salvage price collapse. For other missions (esp. drones and some unique ones) different rules apply. For other enemy types, different rules apply.
My method is not mathematically tested or the best in any way shape or form, but, just a personal rule of thumb.
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Neobia
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Posted - 2009.10.30 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Neobia on 30/10/2009 10:56:18 I don't normally loot, always as in local if people want to clear up my mess after running lvl4's
I make more blitzing through on bounty per hour
I have got a few regulars now, may as well try to help others, I agree that on certain missions the salvage can be worth 100mil and above but each to their own.
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Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.10.30 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dabljuh I myself did some very vague and rather unscientific testing a while back and found that looting and salvaging both produce more isk over time than mission rewards + bounties + LP.
I did the same and came to the same conclusion when the NPCs were those that drop 'good' salvage. So Angels, Blood, Sansha, Minmatar and the Amarrish factions. That is doing the wreckball thing in my Marauder and coming back in a Salvagecane (now with a Salvagekronos it is even better for me since I can haul in the odd wreck than ended up out of my range on the first run that much faster). And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Dracas Bloodmoon
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Posted - 2009.10.31 22:48:00 -
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I will tractor everything in to one spot while I am still killing rats. I make a BM turn in the mission and go back and salvage real fast. works very good.
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