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eve runner
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Posted - 2004.11.07 11:25:00 -
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purly SS support... for fleet battles in the middle of bloody nowhere. My alt sits in the bttle system TPAR... he helps a bunch.
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eve runner
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Posted - 2004.11.07 11:25:00 -
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purly SS support... for fleet battles in the middle of bloody nowhere. My alt sits in the bttle system TPAR... he helps a bunch.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.07 11:33:00 -
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They're garbage and if you're looking at a safe spotted repair station use an Apoc.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.07 11:33:00 -
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They're garbage and if you're looking at a safe spotted repair station use an Apoc.
Eve Blacklight Style
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.11.07 12:42:00 -
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so few use them and they are so skill intensive they make uber pimp ships for just flying round empire.
only use i see
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.11.07 12:42:00 -
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so few use them and they are so skill intensive they make uber pimp ships for just flying round empire.
only use i see
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Abomination
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Posted - 2004.11.07 17:23:00 -
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expensive, rare garbage |
Abomination
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Posted - 2004.11.07 17:23:00 -
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expensive, rare garbage |
Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2004.11.07 20:05:00 -
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Quote: In theory they're supposed to be able to aid other ships by remotely repairing and boosting them -- but in practice they're only marginally better than other cruisers for that job.
any other ship with a remote tracking link II : 7.5% optimal boost, 15% tracking boost Scimitar with logistics IV and a remote tracking link II : 29% optimal boost, 38% tracking boost
Myself I wouldn't call that "marginally better" ..
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i doubt they're usefull in any combat. as soon as they're targeted they die.
I can only talk for my Scimitar, but it has the size, locking and agility of a largeish frigate and goes 2.1km/s with a mwd .. so Not only is it a hard target to hit with turrets but it can outrun missiles :) resists are a smidgen higher than a normal cruiser and it has about the same hp as a rupture.
I do wish it had 5 mid, 3 high, not 4:4 since almost everything of any use goes in the mids
. ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2004.11.07 20:05:00 -
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Quote: In theory they're supposed to be able to aid other ships by remotely repairing and boosting them -- but in practice they're only marginally better than other cruisers for that job.
any other ship with a remote tracking link II : 7.5% optimal boost, 15% tracking boost Scimitar with logistics IV and a remote tracking link II : 29% optimal boost, 38% tracking boost
Myself I wouldn't call that "marginally better" ..
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i doubt they're usefull in any combat. as soon as they're targeted they die.
I can only talk for my Scimitar, but it has the size, locking and agility of a largeish frigate and goes 2.1km/s with a mwd .. so Not only is it a hard target to hit with turrets but it can outrun missiles :) resists are a smidgen higher than a normal cruiser and it has about the same hp as a rupture.
I do wish it had 5 mid, 3 high, not 4:4 since almost everything of any use goes in the mids
. ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2004.11.07 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 07/11/2004 21:29:33 Seems to me wat should hav happened was that they give up any turret or missile slots for the ability to survive while suporting out of the high slots.
If they dont hav pretty uber defenses then u are gonna die v v fast in a support ship, so why fly one when its not 2 different to any other ship with many high slots and costs 50 mil plus,,,? __
There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2004.11.07 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 07/11/2004 21:29:33 Seems to me wat should hav happened was that they give up any turret or missile slots for the ability to survive while suporting out of the high slots.
If they dont hav pretty uber defenses then u are gonna die v v fast in a support ship, so why fly one when its not 2 different to any other ship with many high slots and costs 50 mil plus,,,? __
There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.11.08 06:30:00 -
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They would be useful if they cost as much as thier "normail" counterparts.
Then losing them wouldn't be such a hit in the pocket book.
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2004.11.08 06:30:00 -
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They would be useful if they cost as much as thier "normail" counterparts.
Then losing them wouldn't be such a hit in the pocket book.
________________________________________________ Except for Ending Slavery, Fascism and communism, War Has Never Solved Anything |
Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.11.08 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 09:28:39 Basically the idea is to use 2, never one.
If you wanted to use them with Ravens, warp the Ravens in at 60k, warp 2 Logistics cruisers 40k behind them and then the logistics cruisers can run a remote shield boost equiv to greater than a C5-L for ever.
That's the theory anyway, I specifically asked devs and BH's about it at the fanfest and that's how they told me to use them.
If you use them on their own they suck balls. (Their words)
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.11.08 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 09:28:39 Basically the idea is to use 2, never one.
If you wanted to use them with Ravens, warp the Ravens in at 60k, warp 2 Logistics cruisers 40k behind them and then the logistics cruisers can run a remote shield boost equiv to greater than a C5-L for ever.
That's the theory anyway, I specifically asked devs and BH's about it at the fanfest and that's how they told me to use them.
If you use them on their own they suck balls. (Their words)
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Murple
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Posted - 2004.11.08 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 09:28:39 Basically the idea is to use 2, never one.
If you wanted to use them with Ravens, warp the Ravens in at 60k, warp 2 Logistics cruisers 40k behind them and then the logistics cruisers can run a remote shield boost equiv to greater than a C5-L for ever.
That's the theory anyway, I specifically asked devs and BH's about it at the fanfest and that's how they told me to use them.
If you use them on their own they suck balls. (Their words)
Did they say anything about giving them a boost to make them more useful? It's a shame that they would rush out an elite cruiser and then do nothing about it when it isn't being used at all. To top it off, they make it even more useless by raising the Logistics skill rank. That just doesn't make any sense at all.
I don't buy the whole bit that we are expected to use two ships in tandem to actually get them to work as they should. Name one other type of ship that works that way?
I hope this isn't the type of sloppy work we can expect from future new ships.
Gotta love my city-sized roid vacuum cleaner! |
Murple
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Posted - 2004.11.08 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis Edited by: Iratus Caelestis on 08/11/2004 09:28:39 Basically the idea is to use 2, never one.
If you wanted to use them with Ravens, warp the Ravens in at 60k, warp 2 Logistics cruisers 40k behind them and then the logistics cruisers can run a remote shield boost equiv to greater than a C5-L for ever.
That's the theory anyway, I specifically asked devs and BH's about it at the fanfest and that's how they told me to use them.
If you use them on their own they suck balls. (Their words)
Did they say anything about giving them a boost to make them more useful? It's a shame that they would rush out an elite cruiser and then do nothing about it when it isn't being used at all. To top it off, they make it even more useless by raising the Logistics skill rank. That just doesn't make any sense at all.
I don't buy the whole bit that we are expected to use two ships in tandem to actually get them to work as they should. Name one other type of ship that works that way?
I hope this isn't the type of sloppy work we can expect from future new ships.
Gotta love my city-sized roid vacuum cleaner! |
Zak Kingsman
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Posted - 2004.11.09 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Zak Kingsman on 09/11/2004 00:32:20 thing is, wouldn't the damage output of two additional battleships be better then using two cruisers to help tank? In a large fleet battle they might be viable as the called target might actually be given a chance to survive but then you'd have to give up like 5 pilots for tanking as opposed to using them for damage. So the question is really, do you want to die less or kill more? Comes out about a wash with the edge to the BS as it can do more than just deal damage(scorp) deal more damage than one support ship could ever hope to tank(most other BS) and costs a lot less in both skills and isk cost.
About the only thing that would make them viable (and why clerics in other mmgs are viable) would be the ability to repair faster than the damage coming in, and to be able to do it to more than one ship at a time. If that doesn't hapen then they're a waste of a pilot.
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Zak Kingsman
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Posted - 2004.11.09 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Zak Kingsman on 09/11/2004 00:32:20 thing is, wouldn't the damage output of two additional battleships be better then using two cruisers to help tank? In a large fleet battle they might be viable as the called target might actually be given a chance to survive but then you'd have to give up like 5 pilots for tanking as opposed to using them for damage. So the question is really, do you want to die less or kill more? Comes out about a wash with the edge to the BS as it can do more than just deal damage(scorp) deal more damage than one support ship could ever hope to tank(most other BS) and costs a lot less in both skills and isk cost.
About the only thing that would make them viable (and why clerics in other mmgs are viable) would be the ability to repair faster than the damage coming in, and to be able to do it to more than one ship at a time. If that doesn't hapen then they're a waste of a pilot.
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