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group ceo
Tokyo Combat Group
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Posted - 2009.10.17 23:29:00 -
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Posting with alt initially.
I'm looking to expand my drug business, with another tower (faction large, because everything needs to be done in lowsec.)However towers are not at risk . Hoping to expand into strong boosters, I currently do all synth, all standard, and 1-2 improved types. Prefer not to bother with API/audits/people who think EBANK isnt a scam, but I can prove I make boosters and that I make a profit.
I predict I would need 1.5 bil to make this step. One investor. Preference would be to repay 250mil every month for the next 7 months, 250mil profit for you.
Before we talk reputations and risk, are the ideas sound? How could they be improved?
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.10.17 23:38:00 -
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The idea itself is sound enough. Just a few points:
- Tower layout. Obviously you can't post it here, but talking to someone like VV or Kazuo about it, and having them post that it's a decent setup will help.
- Audit - tbh, I'd be willing to get one done. It helps a hellova lot, and won't harm you at all unless you're a scammer.
- Interest. I'll be frank, it's crap. At rough calculations (aka, in my head early in the morning) it comes to about 3% a month. That may be used for multi hundred billion isk loans, through trusted persons, that operate 100% in highsec - but for a lowsec, new face? Never. Look at something more like 10% a month would be my suggestion.
btw, love the ebank bit :P good luck! -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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group ceo
Tokyo Combat Group
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Posted - 2009.10.17 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota I'll be frank, it's crap.
appreciate this, never done a loan like this before and I'm not really sure what the average returns are
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SetrakDark
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Posted - 2009.10.17 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: SetrakDark on 17/10/2009 23:56:00 I'm a big fan of small and/or first time borrowers looking for big investors instead of going right to the public. It makes me think you actually want money for a business, and not just for the sake of running a bond. It also means you can share information with an interested party without putting your entire business up for all to see.
I think you can go forward pretty much as is. I think 17% (rough in-head calc) is reasonable for a long-term, new face, low-sec venture, though I would offer an exact percentage and end date (6 months sounds better than 7, just the way people think). I would offer to walk a committed potential investor through my business plan and POS security or get an auditor (kazuo seems best suited in this case) to rate their soundness.
Edit: oh i misread the return. that is pretty awful. I'd float 15% per month and see if someone bites.
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LarcatOfRens
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Posted - 2009.10.18 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: SetrakDark Edited by: SetrakDark on 17/10/2009 23:56:00 I'm a big fan of small and/or first time borrowers looking for big investors instead of going right to the public. It makes me think you actually want money for a business, and not just for the sake of running a bond. It also means you can share information with an interested party without putting your entire business up for all to see.
--Thread Hijack--
Thats why I asked for a loan rather than "issuing a bond". I didn't want to deal with 10 100 mil lenders, but rather wanted to deal with a single lender. I just lucked out that an associate whom I didn't think to ask for the loan read the thread and jumped on it.
-Larcat
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Xetal Maelstrom
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Posted - 2009.10.18 03:27:00 -
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A bump.
And for the math challenged:
250m profit on 1500m is a 16.67% profit over 7 months (Just a hair over 2.3% compound/month return)
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group ceo
Tokyo Combat Group
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Posted - 2009.10.18 17:39:00 -
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so Im confused, 2.3%/month does seem low, but 17% (rounded up) ROI seems okay?
The pos fittings are secondary, its being able to defend them at all times, which I definitely am. This isnt a 1 man corp. I've been doing it small-scale (1 reaction at a time) for the past year.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.18 19:13:00 -
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17%/month is good. 17%/7 months is bad.
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SetrakDark
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Posted - 2009.10.18 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: SetrakDark on 18/10/2009 19:52:12
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane 17%/month is good. 17%/7 months is bad.
What this guy said. 2% isn't just low, it is farcical. A venture like this should be 10% minimum.
As for the POS, I'd want to know who the neighbors are, what they're up to, and your corp strength and political relations, along with your general defensive measures.
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group ceo
Tokyo Combat Group
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Posted - 2009.10.18 21:21:00 -
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Proving their security won't be a problem, when the time comes for it. Right now my main focus is to hash out a passable return.
33.33% over 6 months? 5x330 and 1x 350 at the end of each month. My profits aren't crazy, but they're there.
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SetrakDark
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Posted - 2009.10.18 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: group ceo Proving their security won't be a problem, when the time comes for it. Right now my main focus is to hash out a passable return.
Cool.
Originally by: group ceo
33.33% over 6 months? 5x330 and 1x 350 at the end of each month. My profits aren't crazy, but they're there.
It's still really low, but demand for investment is pretty crazy right now. There seems to be a floor of 4% for the most secure bonds, then 6-10% for the rest depending on the investee, the collateral, the plan, and the lemming effect.
You could put on a bang-up presentation, public or private, and hope that your salemanship gets you some offers at a low rate, but I don't know enough about your business to gauge the potential of this. Alternatively you could auction your bonds and let people bid on them with rates.
I personally think 10% is a minimum; there is definitely the potential for a lower rate, but I think you're going to have to sell yourself well to get it.
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