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Vadimik
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.12 08:10:00 -
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I'm thinking about giving WH a try, but since it's effective nullsec zone, I'm not sure what will suit it better:
pilgrim, rapier, legion, loki, or a good-old cheapest-quality-fit dominix.
I'm a droner for the most part, but I've heard using anything but sentries vs sleepers isn't that much of a great idea. If so, does it mean that both pilgrim and rapier will likely lack DPS-wise too much?
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Ibridi
Knights of The Mash Paddle
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Posted - 2009.10.12 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ibridi on 12/10/2009 11:18:41 Edited by: Ibridi on 12/10/2009 11:17:26 The t3 are probably better. You shouldn't use drones at all since sleeper kinda like primary target them. Get a real turrets/missile fit. Something like a passive-tanked raven or drake (typhoon and hurricane should be usable too) since they don't use much cap, and sleepers liek cap.
I might be totally wrong though.
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Vadimik
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.12 16:50:00 -
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Well, the thing is: on the one hand, I don't like my ships destroyed, even less so by a random gang, so I'd rather use something with cov op cloak and interdiction immunity. On the other hand, neither cov op cloak, nor interdiction immunity will do a thing to help me if I simply lack the DPS to deal with rats in the encounter.
I can fit a very solid dominix, with great DPS and range (from sentry drones), solid tank and salvaging/hacking/probing/etc all included, for as cheap as 20-30 mills, including replacement price of a new ship. Sure, it will be an easy prey for a gang, but than again, 30 mills is something a can lose without too much of a second thought.
So it pretty much burns to, what's better for WH space: a solid and cheap BS, vulnerable to players but strong vs rats, or high-tech T3 with good chances to avoid players, but little dps (and little direct combat experience on my part, since i'm used to drones)? |
Bombacla
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.12 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Bombacla on 12/10/2009 20:07:14 well you need to find a balance between being able to kill sleeprs sort of effectivly, and being able to gtfo when a ganksquad is incoming. that is if your goal is PVE, which i assume it is.
A domi can do sites upto class3 solo when fitted right, but a decent prober finds you in no time at all and it takes ages to align.... and if you have sentry drones out you can't stay aligned while doing the site, because you lose your sentries then. and any other type of drone is useless
T3 is best, but expensive. An ishtar is also good, but still expensive. Pilgrim is good for wh pvp, but not so well suited against sleepers. and it's expensive.
Get a domi with sentries and a covops alt that you park at the entrance WH so you can see if anyone jumps in... that's the cheapest good wh-fit i can think off. without the cov ops alt you'll be glued to your scanner window and still miss ppl jumping in because the WH-system is too big ----
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Forranz
The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.13 08:50:00 -
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T3 all the way. If you can't afford to lose it, stay in Empire.
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Vadimik
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.13 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Forranz T3 all the way. If you can't afford to lose it, stay in Empire.
BREAKING NEWS: key to nullsec success revealed, it's to use the most pimped-out ship you can afford to lose (cause that makes you brave and daring, and we all know how nullsec warfare is all about honour).
Ok, on a more serious note: does anyone have some first-hand experience with solo T3 piloting in W-space? |
khazak mokl
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Posted - 2009.10.13 09:43:00 -
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I wud say go for a cloaky legion I use mine solo and it does good. Never been caught for pvp unless I initiate it. I fit a salvager/tractor/probe launcher/poinit and web Tanks about 450 omni and dps is 350 ish. More if u over heat it Not great numbers but its not drone based and with the right crystals I can stay roaming for weeks just running c1/c2 sites and also clearing grav and ladars for nanoribbon drops. Can also drop out into null or low sec to rat or run plexs to bring in extra isk. As many people have said you can do the same thing cheaper but T3 is more fun and for me thats whats the game is about.
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Vadimik
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.13 09:50:00 -
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Will you mind telling your systems layout? |
khazak mokl
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Posted - 2009.10.13 11:50:00 -
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The subs I use are:-
adaptive argumenter emergent locus argmented cap res covert recon chasis optermisation
Pimp it out in A type/faction/T2 rigs |
Forranz
The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.13 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vadimik
Originally by: Forranz T3 all the way. If you can't afford to lose it, stay in Empire.
BREAKING NEWS: key to nullsec success revealed, it's to use the most pimped-out ship you can afford to lose (cause that makes you brave and daring, and we all know how nullsec warfare is all about honour).
Ok, on a more serious note: does anyone have some first-hand experience with solo T3 piloting in W-space?
I do it all the time.
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Leana Darkrider
Minmatar Creatio -ex- nihilo The Donkey Rollers
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Posted - 2009.10.13 14:43:00 -
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I use a hurricane for solo-ing class 1 & 2 wormholes.
3 of my highs are fitted with a cloak, probe scanner and a salvager, but my 5 turrets left can still kill those nasty sleeper battleships. Takes a time tho, but doable
For tank, it's cap stable and armor tanking. deadspace energized plates and 1 faction med repper will do the job perfectly.
You can use drones against them, just only against the battleships because they lack the tracking for them.
So, yes its possible, but not very effective. But I like to do it, so why not ______________________________________ If only EVE could cook, if only.... |
el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.10.13 15:21:00 -
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I've soloed lower-level WH space in a Myr on numerous occasions. I haven't soloed higher-level WH space, but I think a Domi is a very sound choice. Any competent "droner" can manage aggro just fine. Good luck!
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Solo Quest
Space Perverts D0GS OF WAR
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Posted - 2009.10.13 18:37:00 -
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HAM Drake.
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Xentara Vispari
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Posted - 2009.10.14 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Xentara Vispari on 14/10/2009 09:08:14 My personal experience is: Myrm can do most of class 1 and class 2 sites (with armor tank). Problem is to kill the frigs, that orbit you < 10km. If you fit guns, that are able to track them, you will lose range/dps. Killing sleeper frigs with drones is not really recommended. Small drones will be eaten very fast. Fitting a tracking comp will make it very hard to fit a code-breaker/analyzer, because you will need cap rechargers for your tank. I'd only use sentries in WHs, because they can be scooped to drone bay very fast, if they get aggro. Using sentries for targets > 30km away works pretty well.
Doing magneto sites in class 2 will be hard, because they will usually have 2 sleeper BS, some cruisers and some frigs. My tank was not able to hold this (T2 fit).
Going for a semi-passive Drake (like the fitting above) makes live much easier.
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Rieger VaunBraun
3P1C F41L
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Posted - 2009.10.15 16:51:00 -
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If you are just doing lower class WHs, then I vote for the Pilgrim. The trick with the Pilgrim is to use the Tracking Disruptors to help keep your drones alive. I fit an armour tank in lows, 2 tracking disruptors w/tracking speed scripts in the mids.
So you warp into a plex and get the agro on your Pilgrim. Then, put both TDs on a single Sleeper. Launch drones and have them engage the TDd Sleeper. Rinse/repeat. I have heard that in the higher end sites that other sleepers will target your drones, but from what I have seen with the lower end WHs is that the only ship to engage your drones is the one that is being shot by them.
It has worked well for me, but I haven't been soloing WHs in the last month or so, so something may have changed. So your Domi might work with the TDs as well, but personally, I like warping cloaked :)
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Ulwithy Arillious
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Posted - 2009.10.15 17:56:00 -
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As an Amart pilot, I do C2s with an Apoc and have my alt salvage. To tank C3s required a well fit Navy Apoc. T2 lights are used to kill frigates, and help DPS when the won't get webbed and killed if targetted. When drones get aggro, pull them in and send out the next flight.
A Drake could do these things, but would take longer and would distract from skills I care about.
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Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2009.10.15 20:38:00 -
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It's simple realy.
Perimeter sites can be soloed by a battlecruiser without too much problem. If you're hot you can even solo them in a T1 fit battlecruiser for added bragging rights.
Frontier sites can be soloed by very well tanked battle cruiser. With difficulty. A T3 PvE fit or HAC/HIC/CS seem to work best if you don't want to go the BS route. All of these however are "iffy" for some of the sites. Especially if you don't know the spawn triggers.
Core sites are a team effort unless you are more uber than uber. on the outside edge of possible is soloing a core Ladar site. Although if you figure out a minmatar setup that can handle two Sleepless Sentinels please post it. Caveat: Core Deposits seem to be one level less dificult and are soloable.
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Zhew
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Posted - 2009.10.16 06:11:00 -
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Anyone have a subsystems/mods fit for a Tengu designed to survive solo in WHs?
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Vadimik
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.16 11:07:00 -
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Ok, more-or-less fitted a legion: Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Now, it's aimed more for exploration-exploration (i.e., checking out what's what in WH), than for combat-exploration (i.e., fully soloing sites at max speed). But I still have some reasonable offence and tank potential left, and trying to figure out what's best. At this point I have, like, 170 dps tank and 110 dps offence. (My skills at armor tanking and gunnery aren't exactly stellar, neither is my fit, mostly simple T2.) I can buff either by about 50-60%. So, what's better to buff for attempting class 1 and 2 sites?
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crazygirly
Caldari Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.20 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: crazygirly on 20/10/2009 17:58:36 This I'm planning to use this for soloing class 4 systems, it can do class 3 with ease:
[Tengu, tengu] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Republic Fleet Target Painter Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
EFT stats give:
1007 tank (with expensive slot 1-6 crystals, it can be raised to 1517) 715 dps (with 2 +5% implants for missiles, it can be raised to 790 dps)
Active, cap stable tank, but quite expensive fit. Best thing is to have an alt as a salvager/prober/logistic etc.
edit: It's omni tanked since Sleepers do all 4 types of damage. Scourge Precision Heavy Missiles vs frigs. Also agree on drones - it's kinda useless.
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Kalexander
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Posted - 2009.10.20 18:57:00 -
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If you are just running excursions in a hole for a while without setting up a POS, you'll very very rarely see anyone else at all as long as you take precautions so don't worry about anti gank so much (don't run sites in a w-hole with a POS unless you don't think anyone is online).
If you want to go do it right now, fit a drake similar to the one someone posted, probe out some class 1's or 2's, and hop to it. Don't worry about hacker/analyzer as the stuff you find in those sites in class 1/2 is almost always very disappointing anyway. You should be just focusing on combat sites, and whatever else is left looking for melted nanoribbons (salvager is a must).
Another protip someone mentioned is if you have a 2nd account, have them stay at the hole in a cloaked ship (even just a prototype cloak will work, no worrying about skills). As long as sound is on, you will hear that sound of someone coming through the hole very vividly with the client minimized, then you'll know to be on the lookout. Props to you if you can fit him with a salvager as well, so when you are done at a site he can hop to you and help u clean up.
As with anything else in EVE, your own personal experiences are going to do more for your own style in the way of coming up with what works best for you. So my advice is to just go for it sooner than later, and minimize the costs as much as possible so you won't have to learn your lessons to painfully! The drake is a fantastic answer to this question, buy one and fit it, and have fun.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.20 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ibridi You shouldn't use drones at all since sleeper kinda like primary target them.
I use drones all the time on Sleepers. Your drones will take some abuse, but they are usable.
If you see the Sleepers change target (they all change to flashing yellow brackets at the same time), return the drones to bay immediately. Relaunch when the Sleepers are hitting you again. I usually hover over the return to bay keys, so I'm ready to press them fast.
I like to use Minmatar drones since they return to bay quickly, but Caldari ones might be better with more shield.
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