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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.10 13:13:00 -
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HAMs have a lot less volley dmg
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.10 18:54:00 -
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Umm, no
A cruise CNR doesn't out-DPS a Heavy tengu With drones it gets pretty equal but drones are worse than raw missile DPS And you hardly need EVERY subsystem skill to lvl 5. only a few are relevant
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.10 19:26:00 -
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No, of course not It does 800 kin
With HAMs it does 1000 and that's a viable fit unlike torps on the CNR Ofc dmg types give the raven an edge but the tengu has other things going for it
They're more or less evenly matched
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.10 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: ropnes on 10/10/2009 23:35:23 Edited by: ropnes on 10/10/2009 23:30:29 Okay, looking at the stats you're right CNR does outdamage the Tengu even in kin missions
I'm training a marauder alt (Paladin) atm and was planning on getting a Tengu intermittently so I can start making money a bit quicker (100-ish days instead of 300), but I dunno. A Tengu seems a bit more exciting (than CNR) for some reason and it'll still be a pretty fast mission runner
Don't know about HAM Tengu tho. Chasing ships will get old
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.11 00:04:00 -
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Compare the HAM Tengu too
[Tengu, Missions SR] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Shadow Serpentis 10MN Afterburner Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Cap Recharger II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
988 DPS with implants and since you're fast the close range weapons actually become pretty viable
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.11 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Zantris A Tengu is a great mission runner for a new player that wants to transition quickly into PvP while funding it via Mission running.
I'm not sure I buy this reasoning. Getting a well skilled Tengu is going to cost at least 55 days... and getting a CNR with BS5 and Cruise 5 (which you can stop at if you use CN Cruise launchers) is only about 60 days... and the Tengu-specific skills don't apply to any other ships. As for support skills: they're required for both ships (and your PVP ships too).
Seems like a waste to me. Wouldn't be so bad if the Tengu skills applied to something else useful.
-Liang
Mind posting those skillplans?
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.11 15:05:00 -
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Could you pls post the 60-day skillplan Liang? Because mine has like 120 days left and I've already spent 30 days on learning skills with +4s plugged in
Also, you only need Strategic Cruiser I
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.11 15:16:00 -
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lol so you mean 60 days longer than tengu? :P You got me excited over nothing then
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.11 15:27:00 -
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Well w/e I'll be getting both and see how they work out CNR just feel so unappealing, not saying it's rational tho
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.11 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: ropnes on 11/10/2009 18:21:49 I just think you're bagging on the Tengu a bit too much
Okay, so it's outperformed by CNR, Golem, Nightmare and Paladin That's not saying much
It compares extremely favourably to most other mission running ships For example: Navy Apoc - better peek damage, but much worse range, worse tank, less damage to sub-BC Sentry Domi - about the same peek damage, but again, HACs can be a pain with a sentry domi and it looses DPS at range
etc.
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.11 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: ropnes on 11/10/2009 19:33:53 With 2x rigor on a HML Tengu you're going to hit for a lot of damage even on closing cruisers. Apoc loses a lot of its DPS when switching to Scorch
Your comments about EWAR are true on the Domi but that requires that you have drones set to aggressive, which in turn requires that you have a damn big tank (dual rep) on your Domi which means that you don't have that much gun DPS. A Domi that gets most of its damage from the drones works fine, but its DPS output is going to be quite a lot lower than a Tengu's, especially in kin missions.
And speaking from experience I have to say that Gardes are far from ideal when it comes to killing HACs. You can kill some of them on approach, but still. And rails are hopeless. HACs always take the longest to kill for me
They all have their pros and cons, and all I said was that it compares very favourably. Killing the battleships is never the issue, and the Tengu has a lot going for it when it comes to the smaller stuff.
I guess I'm just drawn to it because it has insane performance for a cruiser sized hull :P
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ropnes
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Posted - 2009.10.11 21:17:00 -
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HAM or HML Tengu just for curiosity's sake =) ?
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