Nicely done Ms. Constantine.

You forced the powers that be to show their ineptitude and blatant bias towards massive bloat entities for the whole cluster to see

Heh now If I had a mittani-style ego now would be the moment I'd down a jaegerbomb and start writing a self-referential puff-piece for Ten Ton hammer claiming I planned this outcome at the BBQ of 2011.

But truthfully I'm more of a space-anarchist than a space-manipulator and I actually wanted to test the allied system and see if it could be used to assemble a vast coalition of hisec gankers to put the hurts on the swarm in earnest. I honestly believe that if this mechanic hadn't gotten horribly nerfed it would have prevented the goons from enjoying their hulkaggedon and future burn Jita style events in relative safety.

ITT Jade Constantine presumes he's relevant.

Last I checked, Burn Jita was done with a dozen wardecs, including every one that's been actively shooting us currently. Same with Hulkageddon. You should really check out CCP Punkturis' new war history UI, it's quite nice.

Seriously it's not like these aren't easily checked facts that are matters of public record. EVE records a frightening amount of data, between killmails, APIs, and everything else.

If you want a real sense of damage done, compare damages lost here to our past losses to wardecs via idiocy (we've always had some really good JF loss mails, you like us dying, I'm sure you'll have a blast doing this). Then look at what us losing a ~200 man drake fleet, with support, to the man looks like (this happens often, the last one I was in I was the last scimitar to be killed of our 15 setting out, with 3 lucky ones making it out). Presuming that ISK has anything at all to do with our strength (I'm reasonably certain you understand pretty well that it doesn't, but it can be hard to tell), you can get a relative sense of damage done.

I mean it's kind of a pointless exercise, as we reimburse fleet losses, even large ones, and, excluding hulkageddon, tend not to reimburse things in high sec. For hulkageddon, you don't even need to be in alliance to get paid (See http://hulkageddon5.machine9.net/?page_id=5 for details, though it hasn't been updated to reflect our new Junior league). But it's neat, and uses the tools CCP gives you, and gives some sense of concrete data, beyond 'Oh, they posted, I must be winning!'

Edit: In case you're wondering, i'm posting to bring you data as helpfully as I can. And to see what words you'll spew next.

Forget it, Jade just crying after she used a known exploit what testers reported to CCP from Sisi.
If i remember good to rules, who using a known exploit should be banned from Eve.
So, i dont understand she why crying when she should say thanks the god because she was not banned from game.

Forget it, Jade just crying after she used a known exploit what testers reported to CCP from Sisi.
If i remember good to rules, who using a known exploit should be banned from Eve.
So, i dont understand she why crying when she should say thanks the god because she was not banned from game.

First of all, LOL at the goon spin doctors, but the sudden spike in goon activity in this thread is kind of an obvious sign of spin.

Heh now If I had a mittani-style ego now would be the moment I'd down a jaegerbomb and start writing a self-referential puff-piece for Ten Ton hammer claiming I planned this outcome at the BBQ of 2011.

more to the point nobody seems to be able to point to any actual "crying"

they can point to relentless laughing at jade and pretend that's crying but nobody but jade believes it

soz m8

But truthfully I'm more of a space-anarchist than a space-manipulator and I actually wanted to test the allied system and see if it could be used to assemble a vast coalition of hisec gankers to put the hurts on the swarm in earnest. I honestly believe that if this mechanic hadn't gotten horribly nerfed it would have prevented the goons from enjoying their hulkaggedon and future burn Jita style events in relative safety.

ITT Jade Constantine presumes he's relevant.

You're only as relevant as the number of times your opponents post in your thread.

You're only as relevant as the number of times your opponents post in your thread.

If this is how you judge relevance, then you should be aware that this man is the most relevant on Earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OAujCd6lH4

Adding to original post for clarification: "number of times your opponents AND THEIR ALTS post in your thread"

At the end of the day, we didn't even have to fire a shot. Simply declaring war brought us this and other magical threads.

Its true! your moon-goo laden Jump Freighter really didn't have to fire a single shot to provide immense amusement for all concerned.

Well, too bad. It would have evened out the playing field a fair bit, until Mittens and his CSM ass puppet whined hard enough though. Another great example of a clueless CCP team taking something that was working fairly well with the new war dec system, and instead of small adjustments, they ****** it up hard like they did with incursions, and they ****** it up to the benefit of the aggressors, who in this case, need a 100 to 1 advantage apparently.

Maybe if we're lucky, the war dec team of clowns can be moved to something useful like a team for making new pants or monocles. The UI team can be moved to making something that players can ignore, like coffee tables for the CQs.

Being able to make ad-hoc alliances to defend against perma decs from huge alliances botting the **** out of null, with huge isk fountains, is apparently not what CCP wants. Potentially moving big battles into high sec and turning the gank tables on in-game assholes like the goons is also apparently not what CCP wants. The goon muppets let their decs slip in preparation for Jita, but if they were so bad-ass, they shouldn't have had to do that against insignificant hi sec pubbies, right? Not. Goon muppets will quote how many decs they have, but the numbers are always insignificant in total player counts, which is exactly how the apparently talentless blobbers like it. Need it. ;)

Well, too bad. It would have evened out the playing field a fair bit, until Mittens and his CSM ass puppet whined hard enough though. Another great example of a clueless CCP team taking something that was working fairly well with the new war dec system, and instead of small adjustments, they ****** it up hard like they did with incursions, and they ****** it up to the benefit of the aggressors, who in this case, need a 100 to 1 advantage apparently.

Maybe if we're lucky, the war dec team of clowns can be moved to something useful like a team for making new pants or monocles. The UI team can be moved to making something that players can ignore, like coffee tables for the CQs.

Being able to make ad-hoc alliances to defend against perma decs from huge alliances botting the **** out of null, with huge isk fountains, is apparently not what CCP wants. Potentially moving big battles into high sec and turning the gank tables on in-game assholes like the goons is also apparently not what CCP wants. The goon muppets let their decs slip in preparation for Jita, but if they were so bad-ass, they shouldn't have had to do that against insignificant hi sec pubbies, right? Not. Goon muppets will quote how many decs they have, but the numbers are always insignificant in total player counts, which is exactly how the apparently talentless blobbers like it. Need it. ;)

Seriously though what reason is there for us to be supposedly against people joining this wardec. That people might shoot at us in newbie island? My first welcome to goons back in '06 or somesuch was after joining I learned that hisec was instantly and massively hostile. I was not hunted by one person but by what seemed like every person. This has not changed much, Burn Jita was the safest I (and likely any other goon) have felt in Jita ever.

Jade frankly I am almost rather fond of you for introducing me to Ken Macleod despite your penchant for using two pages when one sentence would do. I'm a speed reader and am just happy to have something to chew on. I am not sure why you have chosen to go all goon-conspiracy-crazy though.

Because we've purportedly sent jack-booted thugs to your door? You seem to have made clear that there was nothing there to fear for you. Because you're trying to tweak our nose by spinning things as if we gave one single rats' ass about your exciting and groundbreaking idea to add other people on the dec, and maybe get a little other attention on yourself and your cumbersome posts?

Anyway consider this applause for how you've stymied the Elite In Power, and their corrupt cigar-smoke-filled backroom dealings between the power and money hungry software company's employees and some guys playing the game. You've shown The Real Truth which is that CCP is goon-run and owned and they're all trying together to oppress you.