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Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.10.04 18:08:00 - [1] Edited by: Jason Edwards on 04/10/2009 18:09:57 The latest CUDA/Stream cards from Nvidia and ATI are capable of roughly 4 teraflops each. Asus' P6T7 motherboard named Supercomputer is designed to house 7 of these cards. Providing roughly 25 teraflops of performance after overhead. Moore's law: Computing performance per unit cost. Also, as the size of transistors shrinks, the speed at which they operate increases. It is also common to cite Moore's law to refer to the rapidly continuing advance in computing performance per unit cost, because increase in transistor count is also a rough measure of computer processing performance. On this basis, the performance of computers per unit costyor more colloquially, "bang per buck"ydoubles every 24 months. Why then does my frigate only have 100-150 teraflops of computing power? I imagine a future where computing power is so great that you can render real life quality videos of organic batter blasting. I cant do that with only 100-150 tflops of cpu. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Yoinx Caldari Black Elite	Posted - 2009.10.04 18:13:00 - [2] keep in mind... it's not like this ship needs to be fast enough to interface with your brain while carrying out your commands. Oh wait.. it does. - I wish I had something witty to put in a signature. -
Sanctus Maleficus Lambent Enterprises	Posted - 2009.10.04 18:16:00 - [3] Great point, Jason. Therefore, I vote we change the unit to cf. Chribbaflops.
Dirk Fallows Caldari Galley-la	Posted - 2009.10.04 18:27:00 - [4] Considering that exaflop systems is projected to 2019, something a bit higher than even that would be appropriate. -- Ceterum censeo reinforcements needs to stop shooting drones.
VaderDSL Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.10.04 18:37:00 - [5] Perhaps one Eve teraflop is equivalent to billions of terfalops we all know and love?
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2009.10.04 18:43:00 - [6] It could be that technology moved at such a pace that they used up all the sensible names and it reached a point where they just thought screw it and started from the beginning again, so this could be the second or third time round for the teraflop ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2009.10.04 19:06:00 - [7] Remember the Appollo mission ran on a system about as powerful as a pocket calculator, this can be anywhere from 10-50FLOPS. 150TFLOPS is 150,000,000,000,000. if we got to the moon with 10 that many should be comfortable for anything. If you can't render organic materials with 150TFLOPS you have something seriously wrong. ------------------------------------- Don't click the links or even the forum topics.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2009.10.04 19:27:00 - [8] I imagine a lot of the CPU output of a ship goes into regulating the systems. Like with PG, you fit your ship with what's left over from what the hull itself consumes. On another note, how do you like your pods in the morning?
Zeredek	Posted - 2009.10.04 19:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Sanctus Maleficus Great point, Jason. Therefore, I vote we change the unit to cf. Chribbaflops. /Signed
Yoinx Caldari Black Elite	Posted - 2009.10.04 20:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Lork Niffle Remember the Appollo mission ran on a system about as powerful as a pocket calculator, this can be anywhere from 10-50FLOPS. 150TFLOPS is 150,000,000,000,000. if we got to the moon with 10 that many should be comfortable for anything. I think you're forgetting that you have to include the processing power of the brains on the crew of the apollo mission... as well as that of everyone at ground control. Again... you're well over what the ships in eve have with 1 person controlling it. - I wish I had something witty to put in a signature. -

Serpent Kamri	Posted - 2009.10.04 20:28:00 - [11] Edited by: Serpent Kamri on 04/10/2009 20:30:44 Originally by: Yoinx Again... you're well over what the ships in eve have with 1 person controlling it. Only small frigates are controlled by one person, cruisers have hundereds and battleships thousands of crew members. Capitals are flying cities. EDIT: Ships probably have way more than few hundred TFs of processing power, they just give you the breadcrumbs after targeting systems, navigation, warp drive, tracking computers and other onboard systems take what they need.
Amitious Turkey Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.10.04 21:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Serpent Kamri Edited by: Serpent Kamri on 04/10/2009 20:30:44 Originally by: Yoinx Again... you're well over what the ships in eve have with 1 person controlling it. Only small frigates are controlled by one person, cruisers have hundereds and battleships thousands of crew members. Capitals are flying cities. EDIT: Ships probably have way more than few hundred TFs of processing power, they just give you the breadcrumbs after targeting systems, navigation, warp drive, tracking computers and other onboard systems take what they need. No wonder guns can only shoot 200km BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST! Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 GO NAVIGATOR <3
Alurexar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.10.04 21:27:00 - [13] Edited by: Alurexar on 04/10/2009 21:27:47 Serpent Kamri said it all ... - whatever shows for you is whats left over for customizing your civilian POD-piloted ship, it may or may not have billion petaflops - only some frigs/shuttles are piloted by POD-pilot only, bigger ships do have human crew, POD-pilot is the helm _______________________________________________________
Kweel Nakashyn shadow and cloaking Mordus Angels	Posted - 2009.10.04 21:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Jason Edwards Edited by: Jason Edwards on 04/10/2009 18:09:57 The latest CUDA/Stream cards from Nvidia and ATI are capable of roughly 4 teraflops each. Asus' P6T7 motherboard named Supercomputer is designed to house 7 of these cards. Providing roughly 25 teraflops of performance after overhead. Moore's law: Computing performance per unit cost. Also, as the size of transistors shrinks, the speed at which they operate increases. It is also common to cite Moore's law to refer to the rapidly continuing advance in computing performance per unit cost, because increase in transistor count is also a rough measure of computer processing performance. On this basis, the performance of computers per unit costyor more colloquially, "bang per buck"ydoubles every 24 months. Why then does my frigate only have 100-150 teraflops of computing power? I imagine a future where computing power is so great that you can render real life quality videos of organic batter blasting. I cant do that with only 100-150 tflops of cpu. Reason 1 - Moore's law broke more or less 6 years ago. Silicon CPU speed don't increase anymore until somebody finally build and sell SiO2/Si products. Reason 2 - You're in space. There is a lot of radiations. Did you know you can't send Pentium in space ? they would break very fast because of high energy photons falling on the chip and ionising transistor's grids. Instead of pentium, you send robust 80's cpu. Even today. Or when people will attend to travel to Mars. In space, 150TFlop seem to be really VERY HIGH to me. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
The Subscriber	Posted - 2009.10.05 00:00:00 - [15] I dont think Moore's law applies anyway to societies that get tarpped the wrong side of a wormhole in the future?
Lucia Wilber King's Pride Manufacturing Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.05 00:14:00 - [16] Edited by: Lucia Wilber on 05/10/2009 00:14:12 You're forgetting that EVE doesn't mesh well with real world physics anyway. After looking over some info from the EVE website and from information in game: Missiles are jet-propelled. Jet engines don't work without air. Rocket-propelled would make more sense, but might be confused with Rockets, a specific projectile in EVE. Cruise missiles are described as "wing-lifting", but obviously this specifically applies to cruise missiles on Earth that use wings to allow them to fly to other continents. Wings don't work in space. Turrets track at ridiculously slow speeds. A large railgun takes over ten minutes to track in a complete circle. By comparison, the ship itself can turn in circles dozens of times faster than that. The top sub-warp speed of some larger ships is as slow as 60 m/s. That's slower than most high-end sports cars that have been around for decades. Even the fastest ships, interceptors, have top speeds around 5 km/s, which is incredibly fast by today's standards, but that's using a microwarp drive. Using afterburners, they only achieve speeds of around Mach 5 or so, and we already HAVE rocket-powered aircraft that can beat that speed, and they've done it IN AN ATMOSPHERE! So, remember...EVE is like cavemen in space...
Taedrin Gallente The Space Bar South The Compass	Posted - 2009.10.05 00:41:00 - [17] Please recognize that you are only able to get those massive computing speeds by slapping a bunch of processing cores together. The fastest clockspeed I have seen recorded is 8.1 GHz Source. Slapping a whole bunch of processing cores is only useful if you are trying to solve problems which are parallel in nature and can be effectively split into multiple sub-problems (example: mergesort). However, if you are presented with a problem which requires sequential computations instead of parallel, then you can effectively only use a single processing core to solve the problem. If it bothers you so much, pretend that EVE is referring to the "clockspeed" of the processors in your space ship, and not <clockspeed> * <number of cores>.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2009.10.05 02:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Jason Edwards Why then does my frigate only have 100-150 teraflops of computing power? ... Hamsters. The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
Blastil	Posted - 2009.10.05 03:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Sanctus Maleficus Great point, Jason. Therefore, I vote we change the unit to cf. Chribbaflops. Chribba does not flop. He's long and hard.
Cadde Gallente FireworX	Posted - 2009.10.05 03:14:00 - [20] There is a limit to how high we can go with the current technology and materials we have today. The current problem that CPU makers are battling with now is that the smaller they make the grids the more likely they are to short out. 45 nm is very very small! Also, smaller cores with the same amount of data or more going through them (more amps/watts) means they get extremely hot and need some really extreme cooling to avoid going "china syndrome". So if a CPU at 5 or more GHz is hot... Imagine what a CPU that is running at 30,000 times that speed needs? My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!

Kolatha	Posted - 2009.10.05 04:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Jason Edwards Why then does my frigate only have 100-150 teraflops of computing power?[/b] I personally think that is just an indication of "spare" teraflops available to transform data streams for interfacing with the on-board systems, add-on modules and human interfaceing. In other words, it is the equivalent to the IO controller hub on our own PCs. See Northbridge
Guilty Man Minmatar Guilty People	Posted - 2009.10.05 08:25:00 - [22] terafaps
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2009.10.05 08:33:00 - [23] Because EVE frigate runs on half-organic technology which is highly efficient and doesn't require more than several teraflops of computing power to maintain all its operations. Our current technology is slowly, but surely moving towards an organic base.
Artassaut Minmatar Oblivion Amalgamated	Posted - 2009.10.05 08:56:00 - [24] Who says they aren't using Long Scale and Trilliards? The Gallente are French, and probably pushed it onto all the other races. TF = Trilliardflops = 10^21. --- The Gate: Lol, try targeting me in a fleet fight. The Station: No U.
Dregek Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.10.05 09:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Blastil Originally by: Sanctus Maleficus Great point, Jason. Therefore, I vote we change the unit to cf. Chribbaflops. Chribba does not flop. He's long and hard. This wins the thread /end


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