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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:20:00 -
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In before LOCK again...
WiS being the no go option for EVE is fantastic!
/thread - AGAIN. |
Price Check Aisle3
87
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:22:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:This is a spaceship game, not WiS Online.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3671
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:26:00 -
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There goes my hopes for running my bar where I serve drinks on the Rocks!
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
789
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:44:00 -
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Chribba wrote:There goes my hopes for running my bar where I serve drinks on the Rocks!
On the bright side, Duke Nukem Forever was released, eventually... for what it was worth. EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Acot Voth
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:58:00 -
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I recall many SWG players, many of them the very tough to get female MMORPG gamer, that sat in Cantinas all day every day talking, buffing, gambling, rping etc. Most of them have been left without an option since it closed, where there is a niche, there is money to be made. CCP needs to give these people a bar to continue to hang out. They love to buy cosmetics and they add a lot of enjoyment to the overall game for everyone.
Translation, the market you want to buy your shiny stuff just got dumped and has nowhere to go. If you want to make cash off cosmetics add a bar, a dance animation, and your set CCP. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
581
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:39:00 -
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Sir Asterix wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS Do what every other forum member does when they want to get there own way. Have a tantrum on the forums ending with a threat to un-sub their accounts.
Do we really have to act like the rest of the crybabies on these forums ? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2035
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:27:00 -
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Arugas Koken wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Clearly WiS is the least of CCP's concerns right now. They have other fish to fry, like Dust and later WoD. EVE players can be damned lucky to see any serious content for the next 18 months - or more. How does Dust or WoD affect the development of EVE?
Right now the bulk of CCP's development resources are directed at EVE and the DUST launch (and the interaction between the two).
Once DUST is stable a portion of resources will be focused on reinforcing the WOD teams.
Since the Avatar tech in WOD and Incarna are closely linked (shared back and forth between the two games) further development of WOD will likley spur the expansion of Incarna in EVE.
This actually works well, as that allows time to plan the direction this tech needs to go in to properly provide the rich game play we deserve.
As much as I think this is a worthwhile expansion to the game play available in the EVE universe, I want to them to take the time to make a sensible plan of resource management to develop it and serious thought to go into the style and depth of game play it will provide.
We previously got tech simply for the sake of getting tech (which admittedly had to be deveoloped for WOD regardless), but the EVE community has high standards and is not easily impressed.
Take the extra time, and then release Avatar based game play that makes the entire community take a step back and go "Damn, I have to admit, this is frikken cool". When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
168
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:41:00 -
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One year after the incarna fiasco, do you really think CCP would go that road again? This soon? If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2035
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:57:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:One year after the incarna fiasco, do you really think CCP would go that road again? This soon?
Undoubtably that figures into it as well.
CCP knows that when the time comes to reveal the next big evolution of Incarna they really, really need to have something exciting planned. Otherwise the waves of negativity from the community will destroy what otherwise might be a fairly good idea.
It has to be superb... anything less will start the whole cycle of bad feelings up all over again.
I really think they need to look very closely at what attracted people to the idea in the first place, many of those idea's were incorporated into the Future Vision video.
1: Real time interaction, in a very visual way, with DUST players. It looks like a lot of this is already being developed in a nuts and bolts sort of way, but real time visual interaction would win the hearts and minds of many player in both games.
2: EVE players want a way to violence other players face to face. Obvious limitations imposed by the response time of a server designed to make huge fleet battles possible via 1 second ticks makes this a tricky proposition. Perhaps WOD development will help to make this possible.
3: People inside a station have always wanted a way to be in station and be able to visually see the situation (or even just watch the traffic entering/exiting the station) outside. It forms a link of sorts between Avatar based game play and ship based game play.
4: Additionally, people would like to be able to customize their own living space. One important note on that will be to specifically include customizable living space modules be available for the proposed "Dead Horse" modular POS system that looks like it will soon be a reality.
If these core pieces can be put in place, much of the rest (face to face agents, avatar based missions, avatar based exploration, etc.) begin to fall into place... and be desired as an interesting addition to good overall game play instead of being viewed as contrived and unneccessary excuses to justify Avatar based game play.
But this is going to take a little time to do right. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
581
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:20:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:One year after the incarna fiasco, do you really think CCP would go that road again? This soon?
And here we go again Incarna = WIS reply
Pls lock this thread like any other WIS thread CCP
CCP promised and can,t deliver that,s all ,nothing to see here then the usual BS pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1390
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:26:00 -
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people asked for it for years by the time they included it most people forgot why they wanted it in the first place and it wasn't very well designed players cried bitterly on the forums that Wis was stupid, shallow and vain CCP said "**** you, see if you ever get WiS" players cried bitterly on the forums that Wis was yet another dead-end project
CCP committed sepaku for ever wanting to deal with such idiots in the first place
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:42:00 -
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Oh hey, it's this thread again. Wasn't the last one that was exactly like this locked? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
581
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:48:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:Oh hey, it's this thread again. Wasn't the last one that was exactly like this locked?
Yes bc of butthurt crybabies trolling and CCP not capable of handling them So This one will be locked soon.
Soon??? is that not a word i have heard before TA? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:19:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Oh hey, it's this thread again. Wasn't the last one that was exactly like this locked? Yes bc of butthurt crybabies trolling and CCP not capable of handling them So This one will be locked soon. Soon??? is that not a word i have heard before TA?
The reason given was that it was ranting and non-constructive, not because of trolling. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
582
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:23:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Oh hey, it's this thread again. Wasn't the last one that was exactly like this locked? Yes bc of butthurt crybabies trolling and CCP not capable of handling them So This one will be locked soon. Soon??? is that not a word i have heard before TA? The reason given was that it was ranting and non-constructive, not because of trolling.
Pls activate second braincell ,search for the WIS thread and read again from the beginning See you in a couple of days
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
169
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:31:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Alia Gon'die wrote:Oh hey, it's this thread again. Wasn't the last one that was exactly like this locked? Yes bc of butthurt crybabies trolling and CCP not capable of handling them So This one will be locked soon. Soon??? is that not a word i have heard before TA? The reason given was that it was ranting and non-constructive, not because of trolling. Pls activate second braincell ,search for the WIS thread and read again from the beginning See you in a couple of days
You seem mad. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:44:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Sir Asterix wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS Do what every other forum member does when they want to get there own way. Have a tantrum on the forums ending with a threat to un-sub their accounts. Do we really have to act like the rest of the crybabies on these forums ?
No we don't. We have to make sure that CCP understand that the people who don't want WiS aren't the magority, and that CCP should stick to their vision.
EVE would BRING IN MORE people with WiS then it is without. That should be more important then the handful of people that think "EVE is a spaceship game" and therefore should never evolve or grow beyond that.
CCP did a complete 180 on THEIR vision. They overreacted as much as the fanbase that quit over Incarna. No one unsubbed because they added CQ, no one unsubbed because CCP was working on WiS. They unsubbed for reasons that had nothing to do with those two things, and CCP let the unhappyness of their fanbase over MT and leaked memo to take control of their vision and dictate what they should develop.
Hey CCP, HTFU and evlove your game so that more then 400k people would be interested in playing it. |
Discrodia
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:55:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Sir Asterix wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS Do what every other forum member does when they want to get there own way. Have a tantrum on the forums ending with a threat to un-sub their accounts. Do we really have to act like the rest of the crybabies on these forums ? No we don't. We have to make sure that CCP understand that the people who don't want WiS aren't the magority, and that CCP should stick to their vision. EVE would BRING IN MORE people with WiS then it is without. That should be more important then the handful of people that think "EVE is a spaceship game" and therefore should never evolve or grow beyond that. CCP did a complete 180 on THEIR vision. They overreacted as much as the fanbase that quit over Incarna. No one unsubbed because they added CQ, no one unsubbed because CCP was working on WiS. They unsubbed for reasons that had nothing to do with those two things, and CCP let the unhappyness of their fanbase over MT and leaked memo to take control of their vision and dictate what they should develop. Hey CCP, HTFU and evlove your game so that more then 400k people would be interested in playing it.
I believe the reason they haven't been doing it, is because as people have said before, the last time they did it lead to incarnage and a few thousand accounts down the drain.
And although I haven't exactly been watching subscription numbers lately, I'm reasonably sure that once they started going back to the actual content (AKA, SPACE) they started getting more subscribers. So, logically, one would continue with what keeps getting more subs, no?
Also CCP wouldn't be CCP if the game wasn't riddled with half-finished features. [pony] Humerous anti-CCP sig [/pony] |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
169
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:00:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Sir Asterix wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:What can pro-WiSers do to convince CCP to change its plans about backburning WiS Do what every other forum member does when they want to get there own way. Have a tantrum on the forums ending with a threat to un-sub their accounts. Do we really have to act like the rest of the crybabies on these forums ? No we don't. We have to make sure that CCP understand that the people who don't want WiS aren't the magority, and that CCP should stick to their vision. EVE would BRING IN MORE people with WiS then it is without. That should be more important then the handful of people that think "EVE is a spaceship game" and therefore should never evolve or grow beyond that. CCP did a complete 180 on THEIR vision. They overreacted as much as the fanbase that quit over Incarna. No one unsubbed because they added CQ, no one unsubbed because CCP was working on WiS. They unsubbed for reasons that had nothing to do with those two things, and CCP let the unhappyness of their fanbase over MT and leaked memo to take control of their vision and dictate what they should develop. Hey CCP, HTFU and evlove your game so that more then 400k people would be interested in playing it.
People play EvE Online to Fly Space ships. The second life thing can wait a few decades. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:21:00 -
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Discrodia wrote:
I believe the reason they haven't been doing it, is because as people have said before, the last time they did it lead to incarnage and a few thousand accounts down the drain.
And although I haven't exactly been watching subscription numbers lately, I'm reasonably sure that once they started going back to the actual content (AKA, SPACE) they started getting more subscribers. So, logically, one would continue with what keeps getting more subs, no?
Also CCP wouldn't be CCP if the game wasn't riddled with half-finished features.
CQ wans't why those people quit. I'm sure a small number of people who couldn't run the CQ properly did because they didn't have the option to stay in their ship, but that wasn't the "reason" all those people left.
The NEX shop and leaked memo is what everyone was in uproars about. A bunch of people complained about the unfinished WiS that only gave us a single room to stand around in, but people didn't jump ship because of it. Pun intended. |
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:22:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:
Sorry, could you repeat that please?
Yes, but you'll have to turn around, bend over, and grab your ankles first. There is a proper way to use a bullhorn. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
790
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:25:00 -
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Discrodia wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:
No we don't. We have to make sure that CCP understand that the people who don't want WiS aren't the magority, and that CCP should stick to their vision.
EVE would BRING IN MORE people with WiS then it is without. That should be more important then the handful of people that think "EVE is a spaceship game" and therefore should never evolve or grow beyond that.
CCP did a complete 180 on THEIR vision. They overreacted as much as the fanbase that quit over Incarna. No one unsubbed because they added CQ, no one unsubbed because CCP was working on WiS. They unsubbed for reasons that had nothing to do with those two things, and CCP let the unhappyness of their fanbase over MT and leaked memo to take control of their vision and dictate what they should develop.
Hey CCP, HTFU and evlove your game so that more then 400k people would be interested in playing it.
I believe the reason they haven't been doing it, is because as people have said before, the last time they did it lead to incarnage and a few thousand accounts down the drain. And although I haven't exactly been watching subscription numbers lately, I'm reasonably sure that once they started going back to the actual content (AKA, SPACE) they started getting more subscribers. So, logically, one would continue with what keeps getting more subs, no? Also CCP wouldn't be CCP if the game wasn't riddled with half-finished features.
EVE is a minority game that is temporally enjoying a non-minority subscriber count. CCP somehow figures that they are enjoying this success because they are giving the extra subcribers what they want, and I, being one of those "unsupected subcribesr", I want to tell them that they're dead wrong. I've been aware of the existence of EVE since 2006, an yet I didn't subbed until 2008. And i did so because i just had played over 1,000 hours of X3 and was looking for other space freelancing games.
I've been subscribed to EVE over 3 years, have had two active accounts at once, and I never this time i've played the game the politically correct way that CCP and is braindead talking monkeys boast about. I'm here IN SPITE of corporations, multiplayer, PvP, nullsec, war and all that drivel.
I somehow hope, out of wilfull blindness, that WiS may not be the same multiplayer grief fiest as the rest of this bloody game that rewards being a bully and chastises devoting time to set a goal and fulfil it w/o messing with anyone. I am willfully blind.
What else can i do? It's EVE or nothing... EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
169
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:31:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:
Sorry, could you repeat that please?
Yes, but you'll have to turn around, bend over, and grab your ankles first. There is a proper way to use a bullhorn.
Oh boy you seem mad, but most important, you seem stupid.
The first problem, you could solve walking around your CQ and singing some buddhist song. Thing about WiS, thing about it.
The second one is more complicated. I sense a two digit IQ. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:33:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:
Sorry, could you repeat that please?
Yes, but you'll have to turn around, bend over, and grab your ankles first. There is a proper way to use a bullhorn. Oh boy you seem mad, but most important, you seem stupid. The first problem, you could solve walking around your CQ and singing some buddhist song. Thing about WiS, thing about it. The second one is more complicated. I sense a two digit IQ.
You're much better at this then me, I surrender. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
112
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:37:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:People play EvE Online to Fly Space ships. While I believe taking the time to develop things properly is a good thing, comments like this make my eyes cross. Yes, people play EVE Online to fly space ships because (shock) that is all there is to do right now. Actually, if you want to get picky, people log into EVE Online to fly space ships, play the market, engage in industry, scam in local, and dozens of other things that don't have much (if anything) to do with flying space ships... but you get my point. What you said is akin to saying "People use phones only to make phone calls." There was a time when that was true, but things advanced well beyond that point and few people have an issue with that. I know for a fact when phone technology improvements were originally being developed there were quite a few people that said "This is stupid, nobody will want all of that other stuff (like music, internet, GPS, email, texts) on a phone. They just want to make calls." tl;dr: Just because nobody does a thing now (because it isn't available or really practical yet) has little bearing on whether that thing will/will not become an accepted and expected feature once properly developed and deployed.
+1 that... There is no reason the game can't grow in directions it has not in the past... Homage of course to keep core game play up to snuff and on an ever-improving path.
S
"The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |
Mina Hiragi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.06.08 20:49:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Yes-yes - also it's group PvP oriented game where 75% of players not interesting in PvP
Yes, because the half of EVE players who are interested in the ability of players to affect New Eden are talking about depleting a belt of Veldspar before it respawns at downtime, right? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
791
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:01:00 -
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Mina Hiragi wrote:Lipbite wrote:Yes-yes - also it's group PvP oriented game where 75% of players not interesting in PvP Yes, because the half of EVE players who are interested in the ability of players to affect New Eden are talking about depleting a belt of Veldspar before it respawns at downtime, right?
Ever went to mine pyroxeres and found somebody had been there before and only left some remnants? Or actually mined every asteroid to zero?
And hwo abour seeing a juicy buy order, log out for some hours, log in back and then find out that sbdy else fulfilled it with stocked minerals?
What's that, PvE? EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Takamori Maruyama
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:03:00 -
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Well if they add some DECENT lore explaining why in the nine hells the capsulers decided to go more "human" and give a real purpose to WiS that affect the world of EVE instead of being a friggin Fashion week design just to milk money from "flamboyant enthusiasts" then yes I will support the idea. But the way that WiS was introduced heck no and I understand all the mad generated. Loud and clear... |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1523
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:07:00 -
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In the words of pro-spacebaot WiS haters...
WTFISTHISSHIT!
Cancel all subs for your alt accounts!
If you have game time left on any of them.... then off you go to the statues!
We will force them to "refocus" their development plans to give us strippers and WiS. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:18:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Well if they add some DECENT lore explaining why in the nine hells the capsulers decided to go more "human" and give a real purpose to WiS that affect the world of EVE instead of being a friggin Fashion week design just to milk money from "flamboyant enthusiasts" then yes I will support the idea. But the way that WiS was introduced heck no and I understand all the mad generated.
Decent lore? That's the equivelant of saying, "if i dont' like it I won't except it." How do you quantify "decent"?
How about, I dion't know. Books based on EVE, sold and endorsed by CCP that has pod pilots getting out of their ships. CCP's explenation that pod pilots have always been able to get ouf of their ships, it's just not enjoyable. How about a new game based in the EVE universe that actually introduces new technology into the world of EVE in which the instant transference of an individuals being is no longer reserved for only the pod pilot.
The "lore" has already been, and continues to be, written. Just because some people ignore it or don't consider it "decent" doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I agree with rest of what you wrote about it being an actual feature with purpose.
BTW, CCP didn't create lore that was past, present, and future. They only wrote the past, let us determine the present, and continue to build on the future. We're not a part of the past were the future has been decided, we are the present.
Or is there something I haven't read in which CCP has written the future of EVE already? |
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