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Areala Darkangel	Posted - 2004.10.25 22:03:00 - [1] Hello Everyone, I have a production question in relation to ship vs ship effectiveness. I heard Apoc is a better Agent Runner vs the ArmaG, but the ArmaG is better in Fleet Combat. Is the Apoc worth the production over an Armag because of it's agent running superiority over the Armag? It costs about 50% more minerals to produce and I am not sure why it would be viable when you can get 3 Armag, or 2 Apocs. Thanks, NOTE: Please provide examples of reasons ISGD Vice Admiral Areala DarkAngel
Areala Darkangel	Posted - 2004.10.25 22:03:00 - [2] Hello Everyone, I have a production question in relation to ship vs ship effectiveness. I heard Apoc is a better Agent Runner vs the ArmaG, but the ArmaG is better in Fleet Combat. Is the Apoc worth the production over an Armag because of it's agent running superiority over the Armag? It costs about 50% more minerals to produce and I am not sure why it would be viable when you can get 3 Armag, or 2 Apocs. Thanks, NOTE: Please provide examples of reasons ISGD Vice Admiral Areala DarkAngel
Areala Darkangel	Posted - 2004.10.25 22:07:00 - [3] Sorry Tpying Error Thats 3 Armag vs 2 Apocs. ISGD Vice Admiral Areala DarkAngel
Areala Darkangel	Posted - 2004.10.25 22:07:00 - [4] Sorry Tpying Error Thats 3 Armag vs 2 Apocs. ISGD Vice Admiral Areala DarkAngel
Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.10.25 22:37:00 - [5] depends on how much profit u can make from selling them BoB KillBoard
Majin Buu	Posted - 2004.10.25 22:37:00 - [6] depends on how much profit u can make from selling them BoB KillBoard
SkrittaK	Posted - 2004.10.26 01:13:00 - [7] yarr woo lalalala heeeeeeeeeeee apocs Semper Fidelis Legion boys, we are here, shag your women and drink your beer! :)
SkrittaK	Posted - 2004.10.26 01:13:00 - [8] yarr woo lalalala heeeeeeeeeeee apocs Semper Fidelis Legion boys, we are here, shag your women and drink your beer! :)
Mimiru	Posted - 2004.10.27 16:11:00 - [9] Edited by: Mimiru on 27/10/2004 16:13:54 tbh i think they'd sell about the same, apoc might sell a bit more. Basically the apoc can do everything the geddon can, and does it better, except the all megapulse/dmg mod setup. You can fit one more miner on apoc so all the roid hugger like it. Its propably the best NPC hunter atm and is still awsome at pvp. It can tank extremely well and churn out a fair ammount of damage. the only thing the geddon has over the apoc is the gankgeddon, and not everyone feels comfortable flying a ship that an ibis can take out <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!"
Mimiru	Posted - 2004.10.27 16:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Mimiru on 27/10/2004 16:13:54 tbh i think they'd sell about the same, apoc might sell a bit more. Basically the apoc can do everything the geddon can, and does it better, except the all megapulse/dmg mod setup. You can fit one more miner on apoc so all the roid hugger like it. Its propably the best NPC hunter atm and is still awsome at pvp. It can tank extremely well and churn out a fair ammount of damage. the only thing the geddon has over the apoc is the gankgeddon, and not everyone feels comfortable flying a ship that an ibis can take out <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!"
Krulla	Posted - 2004.10.27 18:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Mimiru Edited by: Mimiru on 27/10/2004 16:13:54 the only thing the geddon has over the apoc is the gankgeddon, and not everyone feels comfortable flying a ship that an ibis can take out Might need something a lil bit heavier than a ibis. Like a heron..
Krulla	Posted - 2004.10.27 18:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Mimiru Edited by: Mimiru on 27/10/2004 16:13:54 the only thing the geddon has over the apoc is the gankgeddon, and not everyone feels comfortable flying a ship that an ibis can take out Might need something a lil bit heavier than a ibis. Like a heron..
Mimiru	Posted - 2004.10.27 20:41:00 - [13] Quote: Might need something a lil bit heavier than a ibis. Like a heron.. If it wasnt for drones my velator of doom could take one out <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!"
Mimiru	Posted - 2004.10.27 20:41:00 - [14] Quote: Might need something a lil bit heavier than a ibis. Like a heron.. If it wasnt for drones my velator of doom could take one out <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!"
Abomination	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:45:00 - [15] an gankapoc is better than gankageddon. You have an extra turret, and 1 more dmg mod makes very little difference cause of stacking penalty. also apoc has more cpu and far more hp
Abomination	Posted - 2004.10.27 21:45:00 - [16] an gankapoc is better than gankageddon. You have an extra turret, and 1 more dmg mod makes very little difference cause of stacking penalty. also apoc has more cpu and far more hp
Hellspawn666	Posted - 2004.10.27 22:09:00 - [17] its preferance armageddon is faster and having one less laser going makes it easier on the cap. It also locks faster personally i prefer the apoc tachyon/damage mod setups just because the wreckign shots are amazing reminds me of the 1400mm days
Hellspawn666	Posted - 2004.10.27 22:09:00 - [18] its preferance armageddon is faster and having one less laser going makes it easier on the cap. It also locks faster personally i prefer the apoc tachyon/damage mod setups just because the wreckign shots are amazing reminds me of the 1400mm days
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.10.27 22:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Abomination an gankapoc is better than gankageddon. You have an extra turret, and 1 more dmg mod makes very little difference cause of stacking penalty. also apoc has more cpu and far more hp huh? The armageddon gets a ship bonus that is rate of fire - it is the ultimate megapulse platform, without doubt. Yes, the apoc is a better tank, yes the apoc has more cpu, but as for damage output the basic armageddon, just guns no mods, will tear apart an apoc.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.10.27 22:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Abomination an gankapoc is better than gankageddon. You have an extra turret, and 1 more dmg mod makes very little difference cause of stacking penalty. also apoc has more cpu and far more hp huh? The armageddon gets a ship bonus that is rate of fire - it is the ultimate megapulse platform, without doubt. Yes, the apoc is a better tank, yes the apoc has more cpu, but as for damage output the basic armageddon, just guns no mods, will tear apart an apoc.
Mimiru	Posted - 2004.10.28 16:01:00 - [21] yep, the thing that makes a gankgeddon so good is not the damage it can do in one hit, it is the damage it can do in 20 or 30 seconds due to its rate of fire. <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!"
Mimiru	Posted - 2004.10.28 16:01:00 - [22] yep, the thing that makes a gankgeddon so good is not the damage it can do in one hit, it is the damage it can do in 20 or 30 seconds due to its rate of fire. <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!"
Areala Darkangel	Posted - 2004.10.28 18:54:00 - [23] Thanks for all the advice. narrowing it down a little more. We are a new Corp. but we are trying to prepare for Fleet action. With our Limited production abilities, would it be better to produce Armags for Fleet action with multiple ships vs the "Genral Purpose" Apocs? Production wise, it's really hard cranking out only 1 Apoc vs almost 2 Armag's. Does tanking really matter in fleet action? ISGD Vice Admiral Areala DarkAngel
Areala Darkangel	Posted - 2004.10.28 18:54:00 - [24] Thanks for all the advice. narrowing it down a little more. We are a new Corp. but we are trying to prepare for Fleet action. With our Limited production abilities, would it be better to produce Armags for Fleet action with multiple ships vs the "Genral Purpose" Apocs? Production wise, it's really hard cranking out only 1 Apoc vs almost 2 Armag's. Does tanking really matter in fleet action? ISGD Vice Admiral Areala DarkAngel
Fusebl0wn	Posted - 2004.10.28 19:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Areala Darkangel Thanks for all the advice. narrowing it down a little more. We are a new Corp. but we are trying to prepare for Fleet action. With our Limited production abilities, would it be better to produce Armags for Fleet action with multiple ships vs the "Genral Purpose" Apocs? Production wise, it's really hard cranking out only 1 Apoc vs almost 2 Armag's. Does tanking really matter in fleet action? I would think, if you're looking to do PvP and mine/mission for cash, the Apocs would be good, because of being good all-around ships for all of these things, one ship for everything you want to do basically. If you put everyone in an Apoc, since it is the best mining ship, it shouldn't take much to mine out what you need to build Geddons after. That's just my opinion though..
Fusebl0wn	Posted - 2004.10.28 19:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Areala Darkangel Thanks for all the advice. narrowing it down a little more. We are a new Corp. but we are trying to prepare for Fleet action. With our Limited production abilities, would it be better to produce Armags for Fleet action with multiple ships vs the "Genral Purpose" Apocs? Production wise, it's really hard cranking out only 1 Apoc vs almost 2 Armag's. Does tanking really matter in fleet action? I would think, if you're looking to do PvP and mine/mission for cash, the Apocs would be good, because of being good all-around ships for all of these things, one ship for everything you want to do basically. If you put everyone in an Apoc, since it is the best mining ship, it shouldn't take much to mine out what you need to build Geddons after. That's just my opinion though..
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.10.30 08:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Abomination an gankapoc is better than gankageddon. You have an extra turret, and 1 more dmg mod makes very little difference cause of stacking penalty. also apoc has more cpu and far more hp 7x guns and 8x heatsink 2 on an Arma will outdamage 8x guns and 7x heatsink 2 on an Apoc, by a lot. The ROF bonus is 33% more DOT per gun at Level 5 Amarr BS, it's like having 9.31 turrets. A gankageddon would destroy a gankapoc in about 15 seconds. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.10.30 08:31:00 - [28] Originally by: Abomination an gankapoc is better than gankageddon. You have an extra turret, and 1 more dmg mod makes very little difference cause of stacking penalty. also apoc has more cpu and far more hp 7x guns and 8x heatsink 2 on an Arma will outdamage 8x guns and 7x heatsink 2 on an Apoc, by a lot. The ROF bonus is 33% more DOT per gun at Level 5 Amarr BS, it's like having 9.31 turrets. A gankageddon would destroy a gankapoc in about 15 seconds. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000

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