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Lili Lu
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:33:00 -
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Svarek wrote:Okay, by the way, I chose "liberal" because it was the easiest and most distinct opposite to draw to a faction to Eve - the Caldari. I didn't mean anything against anyone or any political stance in any way. People have been getting a little pissy about this. Yeah, it's politics. It was just the easiest and quickest thing to draw - "oh hey super right-wing industriofascists..." - though I thought that would be obvious. And it wasn't meant to line up to any super investigation of reasoning. Quick and dirty for a point.
Oh well. I guess what I mean to say is that if you're going to continue not getting the fact that this whole thread was made ironically (TM), just play nice, sheesh. If your "irony" is really an attempt at satirizing another thread, you could have pointed at that other thread it with a link to it in the op. I have no idea what thread you are trying to spoof. We don't all read them all you see.
Also, in framing your op the way you did, you only invite posts like this gem from a fellow who appears to be severely addicted to faux news
holy bejesus wrote:why do liberals try to pretend that socialists are different than national socialists?
why are the richest capitalists liberals?
cognitive disconnect.
And he didn't even get the psychological term right. |

Svarek
39
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:34:00 -
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Xorv wrote:THE L0CK wrote: No Gallente = liberals[...]
Huh? The Gallente allow civilians to own assault weapons. Classical Liberals or Libertarians maybe, but not what liberals represent today, in EVE all those people are likely long dead.
Yeah, the Gallente/Caldari are kind of like two evolutions of America or a lot of modern countries, as I see it. Gallente are more classical liberal or libertarian like you said, based on reducing government from its current (today's) state... whereas the Caldari are kind of a swing in the other direction, toward full-blow industrialization and integration in all levels of society, toward the free market and a blatant industrial-political complex.
It's not really so much left/right as it is up/down, as I see it - and what I mean by that is big government / small government. Roughly and approximately, anyway. Both are actually kind of left/right in several respects. (But Caldari are the most stereotypically "right," and hence why I chose them for the thread.)
My insights are probably limited, I haven't made a comprehensive study of this.
Lili Lu: Well, unfortunately, if you explain a joke, it's just rubbish. Though that is, I suppose, a better sort of rubbish than that. Lesson learned, I suppose. Each forum has its own peculiar dynamics (or even its own particular deficit of them). Please read the above post with facetiousness, sarcasm, and irony detectors activated. |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
215
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:36:00 -
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Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
Are you thinking of someone in particular? .. I haven't noriced an abundance of liberal thinking coming from caldari. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Svarek
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:40:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post. Are you thinking of someone in particular? .. I haven't noriced an abundance of liberal thinking coming from caldari.
Okay, no, not at all.. That was a rephrasing or wordswap of: "it's weird that men choose female avatars etc etc"
which was based on another thread that had been killed to death and beyond much like this one.
Ishkabibble. Please read the above post with facetiousness, sarcasm, and irony detectors activated. |

Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
804
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:53:00 -
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I chose Caldari b/c they sounded bad-ass.
Gallente = hippys Minmitar = tribal Amarr = religious nuts
These caldari are all brutal corporatism, industry, and war?
Sign me up for that.

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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:25:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Because people obviously always play themselves in role playing games.
Only when guys make female avatars for that purpose. |

Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:41:00 -
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Svarek wrote:Okay, by the way, I chose "liberal" because it was the easiest and most distinct opposite to draw to a faction to Eve - the Caldari. I didn't mean anything against anyone or any political stance in any way. People have been getting a little pissy about this. Yeah, it's politics. It was just the easiest and quickest thing to draw - "oh hey super right-wing industriofascists..." - though I thought that would be obvious. And it wasn't meant to line up to any super investigation of reasoning. Quick and dirty for a point.
Oh well. I guess what I mean to say is that if you're going to continue not getting the fact that this whole thread was made ironically (TM), just play nice, sheesh.
The irony also is the assumptions you made. So you want people to respond to you in a semi serious way to a statement that you made which might not even be true at all. "Why do liberals choose to play Caldari race?" How would you know? Do you have any evidence to back up that statement? Or are you fishing hoping to snare some liberal that does play Caldari when you have no idea if your premiss has any merit to it? Ergo how can any persons input have any validity whatsoever. The whole thread is an exercise in absurdities. Then all you are going to get out of this thread is the party line thinking...beating a dead horse... Since nobody has come forword to defend their liberal position I think your original statement was all bunk anyway. Nothing new to see here carry on. |

Magna Bellator
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:23:00 -
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Svarek wrote: ....
Yeah, the Gallente/Caldari are kind of like two evolutions of America or a lot of modern countries, as I see it. Gallente are more classical liberal or libertarian like you said, based on reducing government from its current (today's) state...
I thoguht Liberals were all about increasing goveernment :) |

Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:29:00 -
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Talk Left, Live Right. |

Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
98
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:56:00 -
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Not Sure if Trolling or Simply just a Idiot http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |
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Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:58:00 -
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Magna Bellator wrote:Svarek wrote: ....
Yeah, the Gallente/Caldari are kind of like two evolutions of America or a lot of modern countries, as I see it. Gallente are more classical liberal or libertarian like you said, based on reducing government from its current (today's) state...
I thoguht Liberals were all about increasing goveernment :)
You, sir, get a gold star for passing your pop quiz on government.
Please present your forehead for the stapling procedure. |

Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:06:00 -
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Frederick Sanger wrote:Amarr is the only conservative choice.
Amarr are the Christian RIght Caldari are the Fiscal Conservatives Gallente are Amarr/Caldari children who became Liberal Arts Majors and still live off their parents. Minmatar mow everyone's lawns.
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Xhaiden Ora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:20:00 -
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Magna Bellator wrote:U.S. Politics in a nut shell :)
Congradulations! You have the political understanding of a 4 year old that just asked his dad what "Communist" means half way through the The O'Reilly Factor.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:30:00 -
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nvm |

Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
47
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:37:00 -
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Hello I choose Amarr because I am a slaver irl. True story. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
579
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:43:00 -
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Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
They probably choose to play a race which is diametrically opposed to their real-life views. It's a form of outlet of their tensions and in doing this, they get a small "feel" for "the other side".
Just my 0.1 Isk worth. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Xhaiden Ora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:50:00 -
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Protip: MMO players select a race based on aesthetics with a heavy bias towards characters that look like "normal" humans. Lore is a secondary factor if its even considered at all.
Caldari are very normal. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
580
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:57:00 -
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Xhaiden Ora wrote:Protip: MMO players select a race based on aesthetics with a heavy bias towards characters that look like "normal" humans. Lore is a secondary factor if its even considered at all.
Caldari are very normal.
Then why are there no midgets ingame ?  The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
367
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:02:00 -
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I'm so not Libral, friends who heard me described as such would laugh 
Tal
Does that mean all Minmater or greasy hobo's ?
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Major Killz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:49:00 -
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It's a game. Also, if I wasn't Caldari. I'd be Minmatar or Khanid. Gallente are the worse race in this game. They've done many terrible things and have buttered it over. Caldari are not bullsh!ters and we don't care what your religion is and if you're a slave or not. As long as you fallow the rules, work and help the state by helping yourself. We all win. Let those frog, cheese eating losers sit around and talk about what their going to do. Cal auctually go out and do it and do it well. |
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Easthir Ravin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
30
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:58:00 -
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Svarek wrote:To me, it just seems really really odd that somebody would choose to play a character from a society that's basically diametrically opposed to their own political beliefs.
I apologize sincerely for this post.
Greetings
Honestly, I am impressed that an EVE player can spell diametrically and use it correctly in a sentence. Well done sir!
vr East IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -a" I drank WHAT?!" |

Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
67
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:06:00 -
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After reading the describtions of the 4 "groups" i saw, that they all have "good" and "bad" things. With having in mind, that no society is really homogeneous, i could imagine to be somehow "compliant" to the big things, but have personal different attitude in some things. Then i choosed the Caldari, because i was trying to archive the "best looking toon" for my taste.
And by the way: Caldari ships look good, i dislike the Gallente ones  |

Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
201
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:24:00 -
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I want to be able to roll pirate faction starter characters.
Sanshas character, hard wired into their ship, can't use the CQ. |

Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
98
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:40:00 -
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I chose Caldari because i wanted to shield tank and shoot missiles, politics didn't enter into it. I'm a registered Independent. |

Magna Bellator
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:46:00 -
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I'm an indipendent as well. Although i would probably join the Libertarians if I did have to choose. What race where they again? |

Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
309
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Posted - 2012.06.08 14:23:00 -
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Because the other factions are religious zealots, former slaves with junkheap ships (in appearance not in ability), and french, respectively.
No thanks. |

Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
74
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:21:00 -
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Magna Bellator wrote:We call our republicans conservative and our socialist liberal :)
U.S. Politics:
a waitor at a resturant doesn't want to work at all and is rude to guests And thus doesnt get tipped. A good waiter goes out of his way, nice to guests and is paid well in tips as a result.
Republican:
The good waitor waitor worked hard, deserved his good wages. The bad waitor didn't want to work, that was his decision to make.
liberal:
The good waitor has more money than the bad waitor, therefore the good waitor needs to give tbe bad waitor 50% of his wages so they are both equal
U.S. Politics in a nut shell :)
I love the way americans use words without understanding them, especially 'liberal' as an insult intended to be aimed at the Democrat party. They don't seem to realise that a liberal believes in liberty, which is freedom. By the way, doing what a major corporation tells you to do is not 'freedom' or 'liberty', despite what your corporate funded politicians say. I'm also intrigued by their use of the word socialism, which they don't understand either and seem to equate to communism. Come to think of it, they don't seem to understand the concept of helping anyone other than themselves. This is apparent from both an individual and a national perspective. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1603
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:30:00 -
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Points:
- The empires in this game have features and facets of various RL societies but try as I have, it's hard to pin down who in RL is what in this game. If CCP did that on purpose to prevent, say, Russians from all going Caldari and Americans all going Gallente, then they did a good job.
- I get called a liberal by fascistic neocons with whom I have dueled with at various GOP conventions, and I have socialist neolibs calling me a conservative in Seattle where I duel with them in public forums. Where have we seen liberals actually liberate or conservatives actually conserve? Useless labels.
- What would be called "liberal" in one country would be called "conservative" in another. In a game forum that crosses international lines, I don't think these labels are accurate.
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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:34:00 -
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Probably the same reason people who don't work in the slave trade in real life pick Amarr, it's a game.
Although personally most of my characters are Min or Gal. I couldn't bring myself to roll an Amarr. |

Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
101
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:44:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:Magna Bellator wrote:We call our republicans conservative and our socialist liberal :)
U.S. Politics:
a waitor at a resturant doesn't want to work at all and is rude to guests And thus doesnt get tipped. A good waiter goes out of his way, nice to guests and is paid well in tips as a result.
Republican:
The good waitor waitor worked hard, deserved his good wages. The bad waitor didn't want to work, that was his decision to make.
liberal:
The good waitor has more money than the bad waitor, therefore the good waitor needs to give tbe bad waitor 50% of his wages so they are both equal
U.S. Politics in a nut shell :) I love the way americans use words without understanding them, especially 'liberal' as an insult intended to be aimed at the Democrat party. They don't seem to realise that a liberal believes in liberty, which is freedom. By the way, doing what a major corporation tells you to do is not 'freedom' or 'liberty', despite what your corporate funded politicians say. I'm also intrigued by their use of the word socialism, which they don't understand either and seem to equate to communism. Come to think of it, they don't seem to understand the concept of helping anyone other than themselves. This is apparent from both an individual and a national perspective.
Actually the Dictionary has 6 different meanings for the word liberal the 6th listed being germaine to a political discussion
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a: of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism bcapitalized: of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially: of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives
This translates in American politics to government programs designed to benefit people who need it. (i.e. bigger government) typically espoused as the Democrat parties core principle as opposed to the Republican party whose core principle is smaller government. Tax dollars are used on these programs that help those who need it so in a since it is a redistribution of wealth, an attribute of socialism. It really doesn't have anything to do with freedom in this context. Abraham Lincoln who emancipated the slaves in our country was a Republican. As for not understanding the concept of helping others, at 5 cents per capita the US gives more foreign aid per capita than any other country in the world. |
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