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Thirteenth Dimension
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Posted - 2009.09.30 03:31:00 -
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My 'primary' account/toon invests in a trading corp within an alliance she belongs to. They've been around for a few years and usually pay monthly dividends of 8M ISK on a 100M investment and 40M ISK on a 500M investment. This is an 'informal' investment in that we don't own shares in the corp, just a percentage of their total working capital (I know, it's a trust thing - we're a tight group).
Investment is only open to alliance members but I thought I might be able to make a bit of money on the side by acting as a proxy for non-alliance members. I'd charge a handling fee of 10% of all dividends paid out (so ~800k ISK/month on a 50M investment and ~2M ISK/month on a 500M investment).
I know this won't be everyone's cup of tea as the rate of return isn't astronomical and there is absolutely a level of risk, but I admit that up-front so check your flames at the door.
Anyone interested can contact me in-game and I'll provide more details so you can decide if the risk is worth the return.
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.09.30 03:39:00 -
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So this is a "give my 2 month old alt" 50 to 500m isk so i can invest it into my alliances bank. Not only do we put our trust in an alt without knowledge of it's main, our trust also has to extend to a bank without knowledge of it's owners.
I wonder if anyone is stupid enough to invest in this without further information?
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.09.30 03:46:00 -
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You seem to be jumping from 50m to 100m back to 50m. Namely:
Quote: pay monthly dividends of 8M ISK on a 100M investment and 40M ISK on a 500M investment.
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Quote: (so ~800k ISK/month on a 50M investment and ~2M ISK/month on a 500M investment).
Can you please explain? looking at the dividends, I daresay you mean 100m (40m / 8m = 5. 500 / 5 = 100), but I just wish to clarify. -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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SetrakDark
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Posted - 2009.09.30 04:21:00 -
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roflmao
did you actually think this would work?
terrible
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Thirteenth Dimension
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Posted - 2009.09.30 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Katiana Swan I wonder if anyone is stupid enough to invest in this without further information?
Well, you're stupid enough not to read the OP, so maybe...
I didn't say "Send me 500M ISK and I'll send you back double 'cause my buddy just died and left me 10B ISK and I'm going to leave the game because I'm so sad and can't see a rifter go by without crying...".
I suggested you contact me in-game and make a decision around the risk associated with the investment once I've filled you in on the details. I'd be booted out of the alliance if I posted with the account and toon in question and I was very up-front about this being seen as a potentially risky investment and not for everyone.
You, of course, can take a flying leap. But anyone who is interested can contact me in-game and I'll walk them through the details.
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2009.09.30 04:56:00 -
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how many "contact me ingame for info" offerings have been successful to date? The only alliance I have found with it's own bank is goonswarm and I have heard they aren't the most trustworthy group of people.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.09.30 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Thirteenth Dimension
Originally by: Katiana Swan I wonder if anyone is stupid enough to invest in this without further information?
Well, you're stupid enough not to read the OP, so maybe...
You, of course, can take a flying leap. But anyone who is interested can contact me in-game and I'll walk them through the details.
Being surly is not the best way to attract potential investors.
Aside from that this is one of the worst offerings ever.
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Thirteenth Dimension
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Posted - 2009.09.30 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Katiana Swan how many "contact me ingame for info" offerings have been successful to date? The only alliance I have found with it's own bank is goonswarm and I have heard they aren't the most trustworthy group of people.
Where'd you get this "own bank" thing? Let me guess - you got burned in the whole EBANK thing, right?
The trading corp essentially accepts ISK from Alliance members, keeps track of who has invested what, and then uses the resulting pool of capital to invest/trade and provide a regular return back to its investors. No bank. No deposits/withdrawls. Just an investment with a reasonable rate of return.
Could that corp take off with all our ISK? Absolutely. It's a risk a lot of the alliance members are willing to take (but some don't), and I have no doubt that 9 out of 10 folks outside the alliance (even once I give them all the details) wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Still, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If I can increase our capital pool, make a few investors a decent return, and pocket an extra few million ISK each month in the meantime...
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.09.30 05:18:00 -
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Okay, for one, your welcome. Two, now that I've had time to actually think, the above are right. Unfortunately, as there's no way to hold people accountable in this game beyond their own morals, there are a few things missing here.
Who is the alliance? This is an absolute minimum. What are they doing, how are they making money? Day trading? Region trading? Specific items? Manufacturing and trading? Another method entirely? Why aren't shares issued? This is an investment, even if it's only through alliance mates at the moment. Not only would this lend credibility, it would make everything a lot easier. Who is your main, and why aren't you posting with that toon?
Based on the above list, more may or may not come to light (EG some alliances are / have proven somewhat trust worthy; some have proven they live off others missery; some just aren't known - and each would have an extra set of questions), but that should be the basics to make this look less like a scam. Not saying it is, saying it looks like one. Also, have a looksie around MD, from your original post you show that, while you grasp the basics of the investment itself, you don't really know what's needed to convince us (being the general MD public) to give you, and through you, your alliance, our isk.
As for the 'contact me ingame for more details.' part, that really isn't a smart thing to say or do - for either, the investors, or yourself - as ingame mails can be faked, claims of scams thrown from either side. In the end, either a legit opportunity or honest isk is lost, depending upon which party throws the 'scam' card up first.
If this is legit, I offer you my best wishes in this endeavour - and maybe even my business eventually, but definately not before the above, and likely then some, is disclosed publicly. -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.09.30 05:25:00 -
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Just one question before I invest: Your alt is Ambassador Newbold, right?
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.09.30 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Signore Kaeota Who is the alliance? This is an absolute minimum.
Even if the OP's offer is an above-board link to a respectable, scalable trading operation that investors would be comfortable investing in, that trading operation would be better off dispensing with the OP altogether and coming straight to MD to solicit investment directly. Presumably it could buy capital for 10% cheaper than what it would get indirectly via the OP... so why would the OP want to enable direct contact by disclosing the alliance? á á
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.09.30 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Thoraemond
Originally by: Signore Kaeota Who is the alliance? This is an absolute minimum.
Even if the OP's offer is an above-board link to a respectable, scalable trading operation that investors would be comfortable investing in, that trading operation would be better off dispensing with the OP altogether and coming straight to MD to solicit investment directly. Presumably it could buy capital for 10% cheaper than what it would get indirectly via the OP... so why would the OP want to enable direct contact by disclosing the alliance?
My assumption from the OP is that they don't want to go public, and would rather keep dividends inside the alliance. Of course, the OP can't afford to invest themselves, thus they bring it to the public and still make 10%, not the alliance asking the OP to bring it forth on their behalf... if it's legit anyway. -_-_-_-
I, Signore Kaeota, hereby apologise for any and all offence caused by the contents of this above post, and all others that I have written, or otherwise been responsible for.
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.09.30 07:12:00 -
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The OP is more than welcome to eve mail me any details that he feels can only be shared in game. I would also expect, at the minimum, his limited API key to be included. For a more robust recommendation, the full API key would be required.
In essence, put up or stfu.
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Jimnoo
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Thirteenth Dimension Investment is only open to alliance members
Isn't there a danger that your alliance will boot you as soon as they find out about this?
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jimnoo
Originally by: Thirteenth Dimension Investment is only open to alliance members
Isn't there a danger that your alliance will boot you as soon as they find out about this?
Also, isn't there a danger that all these very very secret details will be not so very secret after some unsatisfied investor in spe spills them all over the board? Not my business at all, I just wonder how people manage to keep such thing under cover. After all, this man must expect to have conversations with dozens and dozens of prospective investors - will they all be under oath?
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Fleshbot
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Posted - 2009.09.30 19:44:00 -
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I actually have the exact same situation except I'm willing to offer only a 5% cut.
But more seriously these are the issues
- We need to trust you so we need to know who you are but you won't tell us.
- We need to trust your alliance, who you also won't name and so we can't confirm this is actually an investment vehicle
- You are willing to cheat/lie to the alliance (a tight knit group) to get us in on this great investment but wouldn't ever cheat/lie to some random forum warriors.
Asking to discuss this in game is always a non-starter.
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Graic
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Posted - 2009.10.01 01:44:00 -
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I wish you all the best OP but your proposal seems to lack some detail to attract the kind of ISK you are looking for. |
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