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Meveil
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Posted - 2009.09.24 17:15:00 -
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Was wondering if a Dev could tell us how much damage the new DD would do. That way I can know if my thantos carrier would be one shooted by it or not. Main reason I ask is because a certain alliance been interfering with the FW and we know where one of its titans is. So I'm entertaining the idea of after the changes, leading a assualt on one of the alliances pos in low sec.
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Doomed Predator
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.09.24 17:19:00 -
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They an 1 shoot a carrier or dread,unless it's specifically tanked against the titans DD damage type. As for hard numbers, I believe base damage is 2 mill racial damage and get 200% or 225% (Erebus gets 225%, the rest 200%, might be a typo) per racial titan skill per level. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again |
Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.09.24 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Doomed Predator They an 1 shoot a carrier or dread,unless it's specifically tanked against the titans DD damage type. As for hard numbers, I believe base damage is 2 mill racial damage and get 200% or 225% (Erebus gets 225%, the rest 200%, might be a typo) per racial titan skill per level.
Err, almost...
What I read was 6k DPS for the DD with a 5 minute refire, before any bounes. Which is 1.8M volley damage. And the XL capital guns get 200% or 225% damage bonus to capital guns, not the DD. - Support DISBANDING the Alliance CCP Renamed at the Alliance's Request |
Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.09.24 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
Originally by: Doomed Predator They an 1 shoot a carrier or dread,unless it's specifically tanked against the titans DD damage type. As for hard numbers, I believe base damage is 2 mill racial damage and get 200% or 225% (Erebus gets 225%, the rest 200%, might be a typo) per racial titan skill per level.
Err, almost...
What I read was 6k DPS for the DD with a 5 minute refire, before any bounes. Which is 1.8M volley damage. And the XL capital guns get 200% or 225% damage bonus to capital guns, not the DD.
Still half wrong. Bonus to cap guns correct but off on the DD damage.
Here's Judgment's stats:
Volume: 8000m3 Mass: 100kg Activation Cost 27,500 GJ Max group fitted: 1 Velocity bonus: -100% Can be fitted to: Avatar Tech Level: 1 Jump Delay Duration: 300 sec Consumption Type: Helium Isotopes Consumption Quantity: 50,000 Activation Time/Duration: 300 sec EM Damage: 2,000,000
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Meveil
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Posted - 2009.09.24 17:54:00 -
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eekk gawds!! 2mill!! **** some alliances will be able to one shot some poss!!! but I won't complain. After all. I did suggest something like this weapon on a different toon. so can't b2#$ when CCP actually listens. Now the question is the best course of action to get a Carrier to be able to tank it. any suggestions?
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.09.24 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Meveil eekk gawds!! 2mill!! **** some alliances will be able to one shot some poss!!! but I won't complain. After all. I did suggest something like this weapon on a different toon. so can't b2#$ when CCP actually listens. Now the question is the best course of action to get a Carrier to be able to tank it. any suggestions?
Read the feedback thread in the test server forum. I think everyone agrees no properly fit carrier or dread will survive this. Unless you want to drop a few extra bill on your fitting.
CAP PILOTS: If you see a Titan, you run.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.09.24 18:35:00 -
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SO it can 1 pop Caps... What's the damage look like to a BS?
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.09.24 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Clausewitz SO it can 1 pop Caps... What's the damage look like to a BS?
Like your face melting off. No damage reduction for smaller ships.
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Blnukem 192
Amarr Malevolent Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.24 19:04:00 -
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That thing's operational!
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Vysnaite
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.09.24 19:07:00 -
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Wow. Well it means that multiple titans in single op will be seen more often.
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Discrodia
Gallente Forsaken Mercenaries Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.09.24 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Blnukem 192 That thing's operational!
Revert all power to the forward deflector shields! ________________________________________________
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.24 19:17:00 -
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IT'S OVER 9000
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Grek Forto
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Posted - 2009.09.24 19:30:00 -
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Le Sabre
Gallente The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2009.09.24 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Grek Forto
Thats no moon!!!
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.09.24 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Read the feedback thread in the test server forum. I think everyone agrees no properly fit carrier or dread will survive this. Unless you want to drop a few extra bill on your fitting.
CAP PILOTS: If you see a Titan, you run.
Then perhaps the definition of a "proper" fit will change.
I'm not saying the below setup is a proper fit, but it would take the hit at 2.5M EHP (2.6M vs. EM):
[Moros, Strukta] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Siege Module I Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
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grapfter
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Posted - 2009.09.24 20:46:00 -
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Skill at operating titan doomsday weapons. 10% increased damage per level.
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.09.24 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Read the feedback thread in the test server forum. I think everyone agrees no properly fit carrier or dread will survive this. Unless you want to drop a few extra bill on your fitting.
CAP PILOTS: If you see a Titan, you run.
Then perhaps the definition of a "proper" fit will change.
I'm not saying the below setup is a proper fit, but it would take the hit at 2.5M EHP (2.6M vs. EM):
[Moros, Strukta] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Siege Module I Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
OMFG. Please tell me you are not a cap pilot.
Also, what if the titan pilot has doomsday 4 trained? You still die.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2009.09.24 20:53:00 -
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Doesn't this mean when you fire a new DD, another 2 titans are going to double DD you which will instantly kill you? Then those 2 titans will be double DD by 4 titans, and then those 4 titans...
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Doesn't this mean when you fire a new DD, another 2 titans are going to double DD you which will instantly kill you? Then those 2 titans will be double DD by 4 titans, and then those 4 titans...
If this happens, Chribba will become the richest man in EVE due to his veld stockpiles.
And everyone will cheer at the loss of so many stupid e-peens.
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Read the feedback thread in the test server forum. I think everyone agrees no properly fit carrier or dread will survive this. Unless you want to drop a few extra bill on your fitting.
CAP PILOTS: If you see a Titan, you run.
Then perhaps the definition of a "proper" fit will change.
I'm not saying the below setup is a proper fit, but it would take the hit at 2.5M EHP (2.6M vs. EM):
[Moros, Strukta] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Siege Module I Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
DD 5 would mean that it will take 3 million damage so you would still die. ______________________________________________
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:15:00 -
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Skills increase the damage My Judgement has 2.4M base EM damage, however - Striking the Veldspar yields 0.0 damage, so they are rock hard!!
WTS 1600mm Veldspar Plates.
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Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Doesn't this mean when you fire a new DD, another 2 titans are going to double DD you which will instantly kill you? Then those 2 titans will be double DD by 4 titans, and then those 4 titans...
and so on, and so on, and so on... Join channel: "Eve University" or read here |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:14:00 -
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Except titans are getting a stupid high EHP buff too. I think someone was throwing around an Avatar fit and gang support settup that gave it 60mill EHP. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti DD 5 would mean that it will take 3 million damage so you would still die.
to eft it a rev with dcu & 7x Bulkheads II & 3x trimarks can get about 4mil ehp.
Yeah you lose dps but if then again it takes 2x titans to kill you it might be worth it. A dread in seige can't be repped so not much hope for remote reps anyways.
I gotta agree with the previous poster in that if there is anyway that a doomsday can be tanked then the definition of a proper fit may very well change.
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Jovoich
Kleinrock Heavy Industries The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.09.24 22:29:00 -
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tbh, I think if someone is willing to field a ship costing 80b + isk. I don't think its too much to ask for it to be able to 1 shot a carrier or dread costing around 1b - 1.5b. I wouldn't expect a titan to be able to live long enough through multiple engagements to kill 80+ caps.
I call 'Bull****' CCP. Isn't it great that the alchemy process was introduced & can 'take up the slack?' |
Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.09.25 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jovoich tbh, I think if someone is willing to field a ship costing 80b + isk. I don't think its too much to ask for it to be able to 1 shot a carrier or dread costing around 1b - 1.5b. I wouldn't expect a titan to be able to live long enough through multiple engagements to kill 80+ caps.
The issue isn't with 1 titan. The issue is when one side shows up with 80+ dreads and the other shows up with 25 titans + dreads + carriers. Can the 80+ dreads kill a titan or two before they all die?
If alliances can now field a dozen titans in a few years they'll be able to field a few dozen titans for a fight. Titans become the new dreads. Dreads become the new bs, tanked like a double dd tanked bs of today and fit for a limited purpose of suriving titans.
Fleets of a few hundred dreads backed by a few dozen titans are possible on a long enough timeline. The titan cost drops if an alliance builds them. After a while titans won't be worth fitting much past t2 with some faction mods. So the cost will drop still further.
Spending massive amounts of isk on something should give a marginal improvement. Look at the cost difference between t1 and t2 for example. Lots if isk shouldn't equal omgwtfpwnsauce.
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Grace Fall
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Posted - 2009.09.25 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Crackzilla If alliances can now field a dozen titans in a few years they'll be able to field a few dozen titans for a fight. Titans become the new dreads. Dreads become the new bs, tanked like a double dd tanked bs of today and fit for a limited purpose of suriving titans.
Actually the titan build rate will slow dramatically at when this change goes through. The reason is you will no longer be able to safely a build on a titan after the Dominion sov changes. This means the titans that do exist will most likely be a bit more cautious since a new one will be harder to get.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.25 05:48:00 -
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Maybe the phoenix dread will get some meaning again.
Low: damage control, 2x BCU, 2x PDS
Medium: 4x faction racial hardners (racials are cheap, needed for cpu), 2x Invul II, capital shield booster
with 3% shield implant and 3 t1 shield extender rigs, that's 3,24 million EHP. If the force in the Phoenix pilot is strong, he'll sense the incoming hit and will overheat the hardeners, which results in 4,36 million EHP.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.09.25 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Maybe the phoenix dread will get some meaning again.
Low: damage control, 2x BCU, 2x PDS
Medium: 4x faction racial hardners (racials are cheap, needed for cpu), 2x Invul II, capital shield booster
with 3% shield implant and 3 t1 shield extender rigs, that's 3,24 million EHP. If the force in the Phoenix pilot is strong, he'll sense the incoming hit and will overheat the hardeners, which results in 4,36 million EHP.
Yes, I too, think it is a good idea to theorycraft a Phoenix fitting that allows you to tank a DD but makes it bad at actually shooting anything.
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Steve Celeste
Caldari Overdogs
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Posted - 2009.09.25 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Meveil assualt on one of the alliances pos in low sec.
Will it be possible to fire the new superweapon in lowsec?
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Arokan Manturi
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.25 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Meveil assualt on one of the alliances pos in low sec.
Will it be possible to fire the new superweapon in lowsec?
I dont think Titans can enter low-sec. ----------------
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.09.25 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Arokan Manturi
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Meveil assualt on one of the alliances pos in low sec.
Will it be possible to fire the new superweapon in lowsec?
I dont think Titans can enter low-sec.
They have always been able to enter lowsec just not use the DD. The new DD work in lowsec so bye bye station hugging dreads/carriers.
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.09.25 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Read the feedback thread in the test server forum. I think everyone agrees no properly fit carrier or dread will survive this. Unless you want to drop a few extra bill on your fitting.
CAP PILOTS: If you see a Titan, you run.
Then perhaps the definition of a "proper" fit will change.
I'm not saying the below setup is a proper fit, but it would take the hit at 2.5M EHP (2.6M vs. EM):
[Moros, Strukta] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Siege Module I Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL Dual 1000mm Railgun I, Guristas Lead Charge XL
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
OMFG. Please tell me you are not a cap pilot.
Also, what if the titan pilot has doomsday 4 trained? You still die.
OMFG.. Your reading comprehension skills are incredible! - Support DISBANDING the Alliance CCP Renamed at the Alliance's Request |
Damien Klesk
Antiquated.
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Posted - 2009.09.25 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Skills increase the damage My Judgement has 2.4M base EM damage, however - Striking the Veldspar yields 0.0 damage, so they are rock hard!!
WTS 1600mm Veldspar Plates.
lol, fraps please.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.25 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dianeces
Yes, I too, think it is a good idea to theorycraft a Phoenix fitting that allows you to tank a DD but makes it bad at actually shooting anything.
How ist "bad at actually shooting anything" ? It has 2 damage mods, but even if you remove 1 pds and fit 3 damage mods it still have over 3 million EHP. Because it's tank is in the medslots, it can still have a solid tank while fitting damage mods, that's the advantage of it compared to the other dreads.
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DrefsabZN
Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2009.09.25 13:56:00 -
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I think his comment was more aimed at his views on citadel torps :)
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Mr Ignitious
R.E.C.O.N. Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.09.25 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Doesn't this mean when you fire a new DD, another 2 titans are going to double DD you which will instantly kill you? Then those 2 titans will be double DD by 4 titans, and then those 4 titans...
titans and supercarriers are getting a substantial hp boost.
I read the forums assuming there are no trolls, only really stupid people.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.09.25 15:01:00 -
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well, one thing is sure: after this change either we'll see lots more fireworks, or lots more blueballing. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.09.25 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/09/2009 15:26:41
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Arokan Manturi
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: Meveil assualt on one of the alliances pos in low sec.
Will it be possible to fire the new superweapon in lowsec?
I dont think Titans can enter low-sec.
They have always been able to enter lowsec just not use the DD. The new DD work in lowsec so bye bye station hugging dreads/carriers.
Well its BYE-BYE everything.
Basicaly when this comes in there is no point in fitting anything other then a fully insured, t2 ship - as you will always be rounghly 25 seconds from being instatpopped. No pilot skills will save you, no team work, no gurilla tactics, no cunning fits, no LV5 skills.
(cyno, system load, lock, 3million shoop cannon in your face, POD!!!)
So no drive to improve your setup, no faction ships, no faction gear.
Small-medium lowsec corps have a hard enough time of it already, with groups of bored mothership pilots hotdropping them willy nilly. But as least with some teamwork you can get out of that with minimal losses (remote repping each other for the cool off period before jumping out)
We have however, been mercifully clear of any TITANS due to the DD not working in low sec. Well thats if you dont count them jump bridging 30 freighters full of loot onto a high sec gate(freighters that original would have needed an escort, provided a basis for fights, and aided the meagre living pirates have to grind out)
Not any more. Another lowsec nerf whilst CCP whitter inanely on about "boosting lowsec".
So get your faction ships and modules on the market for the people in high sec to buy and get yourself a stock of exciting vanilla ships.
How can I be so right all the time? I dont know. Of course the DD changes are "not final" atm - but you watch them go through with it.
SKUNK (o)
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BacardiDesire
Caldari The 8th Order The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.25 19:48:00 -
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you won't kill our pos or titan :'D all i want is some cake. |
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Baghdad Bobbit
Greater BoB Community
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Posted - 2009.09.25 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Baghdad Bobbit on 25/09/2009 23:02:08
Originally by: Le Skunk Well its BYE-BYE everything.
Basicaly when this comes in there is no point in fitting anything other then a fully insured, t2 ship - as you will always be rounghly 25 seconds from being instatpopped. No pilot skills will save you, no team work, no gurilla tactics, no cunning fits, no LV5 skills.
(cyno, system load, lock, 3million shoop cannon in your face, POD!!!)
So no drive to improve your setup, no faction ships, no faction gear.
* Fly a T3 ship? Get it sold. * Fit a deadspace repper? Get it sold. * Fit t2 rigs? Dont Bother. * Fly a faction ship? Get it on contracts fast! * Fly your corps only capital ship? Get it on contracts son.
Small-medium lowsec corps have a hard enough time of it already, with groups of bored mothership pilots hotdropping them willy nilly. But as least with some teamwork you can get out of that with minimal losses (remote repping each other for the cool off period before jumping out)
We have however, been mercifully clear of any TITANS due to the DD not working in low sec. Well thats if you dont count them jump bridging 30 freighters full of loot past us - no risk - to warp to zero onto a high sec gate(freighters that original would have needed an escort, provided a basis for fights, and aided the meagre living pirates have to grind out)
Not any more. Another lowsec nerf whilst CCP whitter inanely on about "boosting lowsec".
So get your faction ships and modules on the market for the people in high sec to buy and get yourself a stock of exciting vanilla ships.
How can I be so right all the time? I dont know. Of course the DD changes are "not final" atm - but you watch them go through with it.
SKUNK
You are an idiot.
Titan activates their DD on your T3 Cruiser/BS or smaller ship? Warp out, no damage received.
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OilSlick Rick
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.25 23:06:00 -
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If they are going to allow titan's to doomsday in low sec, then they better allow bombs in low sec.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2009.09.25 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: OilSlick Rick If they are going to allow titan's to doomsday in low sec, then they better allow bombs in low sec.
Bombs are AoE. Would be nice if they stopped smartbombing bs in low sec too but you cannot have everything.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.25 23:55:00 -
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the titan will be a powerhouse thats for sure, but there are alot more ms than there are titans, and a ms can take a good few shots from the new titan and can fit the new anti capital bombers, which i hear hurts caps pretty nicely.
i wont bother to predict what will happen (i don;t know) but it will end up in epicly huge fights, or no one confronting each other! esp with the moon gold nerf.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.09.26 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem the titan will be a powerhouse thats for sure, but there are alot more ms than there are titans, and a ms can take a good few shots from the new titan and can fit the new anti capital bombers, which i hear hurts caps pretty nicely.
i wont bother to predict what will happen (i don;t know) but it will end up in epicly huge fights, or no one confronting each other! esp with the moon gold nerf.
that's why I expect epic fireworks or epic blueballing when this change comes about ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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zombiedeadhead
Minmatar In Your Head
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Posted - 2009.09.26 04:56:00 -
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If this was my thread, I would have titled it 'How much Damage does a DD do, if a DD does do damage?'
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.09.26 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 26/09/2009 07:01:49 Heres the new titan super weapon.
http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/titans_imageshack.html
And one more:
http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/ykywi_imageshack.html
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Zurrar
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.26 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: zombiedeadhead If this was my thread, I would have titled it 'How much Damage does a DD do, if a DD does do damage?'
/thread
i lol'ed
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BiggestT
Caldari Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.09.26 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: zombiedeadhead If this was my thread, I would have titled it 'How much Damage does a DD do, if a DD does do damage?'
Does a dd do damage if the damaging dd does a lot more than just do?
(ie if the titan is using a portal generator at the same time?) EVE Trivia EVE History
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Oddymandius
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.26 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Crackzilla
The issue isn't with 1 titan. The issue is when one side shows up with 80+ dreads and the other shows up with 25 titans + dreads + carriers. Can the 80+ dreads kill a titan or two before they all die?
Point #1: This isn't a balanced scenario in any case, as 80 dreads are not worth as much as even two titans by themselves. Obviously the side with 50x the amount of isk on the field is going to win.
Point #2: If the Titan weapon has a five minute cooling period then the twenty-five Titans aren't going to kill more than 25 dreads immediately. If the remaining 50 dreads can kill a single titan, they're winning in isk terms.
Point #3: What if one team turns up with 25 titans + dreads + carriers and the other turns up with 300 tech II fit battleships + tackles? Some of those Titans are going to die, and there's no way they can make up the loss of a single Titan attrition-wise, even if they kill the entire enemy fleet.
Pointr #4: Your lolterm projections fail to take into account that Titans are going to die more often if they're actively used in battle, preventing any sustained overabundance. For all of the reasons listed above, they're mostly going to be used in hotdrops to gank smaller groups of Titans. That means the Alliances with Titans are going to be the ones mostly fielding Titans against each other.
Conclusion: the Titan changes finally incorporate them into the existing Eve size/power progression, where large ships can do more damage but are balanced by being less cost-effective v.s. larger numbers of small ships. The result is that all ship types are suddenly viable again for all classes of combat engagement. If nothing else, Alliances are going to be forced to hire large numbers of battleship pilots as they won't be able to defend space simply by spending isk on single ships any more - but doing that is still viable. Everybody wins.
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Leather Jack
Kernite Commando
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Posted - 2009.09.26 15:05:00 -
[51]
Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 26/09/2009 07:01:49 Heres the new titan super weapon.
http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/titans_imageshack.html
And one more:
http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/ykywi_imageshack.html
You still kicking about V?! Nice to see an old face on the forums for a change.
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Zeredek
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Posted - 2009.09.26 15:13:00 -
[52]
Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 26/09/2009 07:01:49 Heres the new titan super weapon.
http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/titans_imageshack.html
And one more:
http://m-devillers.ruhosting.nl/ykywi_imageshack.html
win
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar Really Nice And Laidback Corporation
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Posted - 2009.09.26 15:40:00 -
[53]
I predict the demand for slavesets is going to go up even further. (Take that, bulkhead users!)
Either way, I had the honor of testing a revelation against a titan on Sisi. Do -not- underestimate that damage bonus. Five titans will do a lot more to the opposing fleet than pop five dreads every five minutes.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.09.26 16:10:00 -
[54]
I want to see someone pod someone with these new DDs, the overkill would be immense.
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.09.26 16:26:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Irida Mershkov I want to see someone pod someone with these new DDs, the overkill would be immense.
It would be like killing a fly with a flamethrower. However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs. |
Redflare
Caldari Lompoc-Amish Industrial Labs SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2009.09.26 17:00:00 -
[56]
This is a stupid thread.
The Titan DD change is amazing, though imho UNDERPOWERED!
And for you all thinking a titan will pop your dread/rork/T3 ship, why the hell is that ship staying around long enough TO GET TARGETED, LOCKED, AND SHOT AT BY A DOOMSDAY WEAPON??? And where is your support?
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.09.26 17:22:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Redflare This is a stupid thread.
The Titan DD change is amazing, though imho UNDERPOWERED!
And for you all thinking a titan will pop your dread/rork/T3 ship, why the hell is that ship staying around long enough TO GET TARGETED, LOCKED, AND SHOT AT BY A DOOMSDAY WEAPON??? And where is your support?
Siege Module I Triage Module I Industrial Core I
.. just saying. Parrots, commence!
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Lady Vorax
Amarr Dark-Rising IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.26 18:00:00 -
[58]
they sauid soemwhere that builed titanz will be more difficult. they also need to be on the field to target an dshoot. so i dont think there is any need for emo. yes they will sometimes come to 1 shoot you, but they will need a pretty big support fleet to not die.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.09.26 18:09:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 18:14:23
Originally by: Baghdad Bobbit
You are an idiot.
Titan activates their DD on your T3 Cruiser/BS or smaller ship? Warp out, no damage received.
So speaketh the voice of high sec mission running. I will take the time to educate you though.
If you are tackled on a gate, you cannot warp out.
Normaly the procedure for bored MoM pilots will be to send in a tanked ship or two with a selection of scrams, webs and disruptors.
When you engage the target - It will tackle you and fire a cyno. A few seconds later several MOMS will appear, RR the tackle ship, lock you up, drop fighters, engage fighters.
At this point, as soon as the cyno goes up, your options are to try to warp out leaving one or two of the scrambled/disrupted ships to die
Or you can remain on the gate, Remote Rep who they have primaried and jump out when your aggro drops. If the enemy have a gang waiting for you on the other side (note this is my experience very rare) you can engage them on the other side without the benefit of their moms.
Decent skills, fits, rigs, and team work can negate a lot of the effect of the MOMs and enable you to minimise losses and indeed many times escape with no loss.
However, with a 3 million HP weapon,
NO SKILLS NO TEAMWORK NO FITTINGS NO NOTHING
Will prevent your ship being instapopped. As soon as the cyno goes up - those implants you saved up for and those skills you spent months getting to lv5 are worthless. As are the fits you assembled. That bhallgorn you saved up for, your pimp faction fit raven, your T3 ship, is dead.
Stop making yourself look stupid. Arguing with me about low sec piracy is like arguing with the Bear-Pope about crapin in the vatican.
SKUNK
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Remmon
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.26 18:27:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 18:14:23
Originally by: Baghdad Bobbit
You are an idiot.
Titan activates their DD on your T3 Cruiser/BS or smaller ship? Warp out, no damage received.
So speaketh the voice of high sec mission running. I will take the time to educate you though.
If you are tackled on a gate, you cannot warp out.
Normaly the procedure for bored MoM pilots will be to send in a tanked ship or two with a selection of scrams, webs and disruptors.
When you engage the target - It will tackle you and fire a cyno. A few seconds later several MOMS will appear, RR the tackle ship, lock you up, drop fighters, engage fighters.
At this point, as soon as the cyno goes up, your options are to try to warp out leaving one or two of the scrambled/disrupted ships to die
Or you can remain on the gate, Remote Rep who they have primaried and jump out when your aggro drops. If the enemy have a gang waiting for you on the other side (note this is my experience very rare) you can engage them on the other side without the benefit of their moms.
Decent skills, fits, rigs, and team work can negate a lot of the effect of the MOMs and enable you to minimise losses and indeed many times escape with no loss.
However, with a 3 million HP weapon,
NO SKILLS NO TEAMWORK NO FITTINGS NO NOTHING
Will prevent your ship being instapopped. As soon as the cyno goes up - those implants you saved up for and those skills you spent months getting to lv5 are worthless. As are the fits you assembled. That bhallgorn you saved up for, your pimp faction fit raven, your T3 ship, is dead.
Stop making yourself look stupid. Arguing with me about low sec piracy is like arguing with the Bear-Pope about crapin in the vatican.
SKUNK
And it's going to take that Titan how many minutes to lock your ship? During which you've got plenty of time to kill that tackler (Which will also take minutes to lock for the titan). The titan will have to lock your ship, then fire the DD. Teamwork, good skills and good fittings will all help to prevent your ship being instapopped, because all you have to do to avoid being instapopped is avoid being locked by the ship class with the single worst sensor resolution in the history of EVE Online.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.09.26 18:35:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 18:52:06 Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 18:51:15
Originally by: Remmon And it's going to take that Titan how many minutes to lock your ship? During which you've got plenty of time to kill that tackler (Which will also take minutes to lock for the titan). The titan will have to lock your ship, then fire the DD. Teamwork, good skills and good fittings will all help to prevent your ship being instapopped, because all you have to do to avoid being instapopped is avoid being locked by the ship class with the single worst sensor resolution in the history of EVE Online.
Yes i have factored this into my argument. I have covered all these points before I posted my OP.
Erebus scan res is 40 Nyx scan res is 45 Thanatos scan res is 50 Dominix scan res is 90
OH NO!! IT TAKES TWICE AS LONG TO LOCK A SHIP AS A BATTLESHIP
And we all know it take over 30 seconds for a battleship to lock a target dosent it.... well no of course it dosent
The erebus scan res is only marginaly less then a mothership. And i can tell you FROM EXPERIENCE that a mother ship can not only lock you up,but set fighters on you, and pop you before the 60 seconds of aggro have run out. And thats not even counting a slight delay in reaction time when the cyno goes up, a delay getting your guns and drones off the target, and any time left on mods such as neuts.
EDIT: A preliminary quick fiddle in EFT shows a titan (with one SB) -> Battleship lock time is about 10 seconds.
SKUNK
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Trustworthy Joe
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Posted - 2009.09.26 20:43:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 18:52:06 Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 18:51:15
Originally by: Remmon And it's going to take that Titan how many minutes to lock your ship? During which you've got plenty of time to kill that tackler (Which will also take minutes to lock for the titan). The titan will have to lock your ship, then fire the DD. Teamwork, good skills and good fittings will all help to prevent your ship being instapopped, because all you have to do to avoid being instapopped is avoid being locked by the ship class with the single worst sensor resolution in the history of EVE Online.
Yes i have factored this into my argument. I have covered all these points before I posted my OP.
Erebus scan res is 40 Nyx scan res is 45 Thanatos scan res is 50 Dominix scan res is 90
OH NO!! IT TAKES TWICE AS LONG TO LOCK A SHIP AS A BATTLESHIP
And we all know it take over 30 seconds for a battleship to lock a target dosent it.... well no of course it dosent
The erebus scan res is only marginaly less then a mothership. And i can tell you FROM EXPERIENCE that a mother ship can not only lock you up,but set fighters on you, and pop you before the 60 seconds of aggro have run out. And thats not even counting a slight delay in reaction time when the cyno goes up, a delay getting your guns and drones off the target, and any time left on mods such as neuts.
EDIT: A preliminary quick fiddle in EFT shows a titan (with one SB) -> Battleship lock time is about 10 seconds.
SKUNK
who the **** cares about a solo BS in lowsec enough to bring a titan in?
i mean seriously, are people that ******ed? the whole basis of your argument is that someone is gonna spend the time and resources needed for a DD on a crappy BS.
want a sig? thats great! post it in response to my posts!
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Miriyana
Gallente Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.09.26 21:25:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 18:52:06 Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 18:51:15
Originally by: Remmon And it's going to take that Titan how many minutes to lock your ship? During which you've got plenty of time to kill that tackler (Which will also take minutes to lock for the titan). The titan will have to lock your ship, then fire the DD. Teamwork, good skills and good fittings will all help to prevent your ship being instapopped, because all you have to do to avoid being instapopped is avoid being locked by the ship class with the single worst sensor resolution in the history of EVE Online.
Yes i have factored this into my argument. I have covered all these points before I posted my OP.
Erebus scan res is 40 Nyx scan res is 45 Thanatos scan res is 50 Dominix scan res is 90
OH NO!! IT TAKES TWICE AS LONG TO LOCK A SHIP AS A BATTLESHIP
And we all know it take over 30 seconds for a battleship to lock a target dosent it.... well no of course it dosent
The erebus scan res is only marginaly less then a mothership. And i can tell you FROM EXPERIENCE that a mother ship can not only lock you up,but set fighters on you, and pop you before the 60 seconds of aggro have run out. And thats not even counting a slight delay in reaction time when the cyno goes up, a delay getting your guns and drones off the target, and any time left on mods such as neuts.
EDIT: A preliminary quick fiddle in EFT shows a titan (with one SB) -> Battleship lock time is about 10 seconds.
SKUNK
who the **** cares about a solo BS in lowsec enough to bring a titan in?
i mean seriously, are people that ******ed? the whole basis of your argument is that someone is gonna spend the time and resources needed for a DD on a crappy BS.
Yea I'm with Skunk on this one...I've seen people hot drop a MoM on the stupidest of gangs. If someone has enough ISK and they're bored enough it will happen. - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.09.26 21:32:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
who the **** cares about a solo BS in lowsec enough to bring a titan in?
i mean seriously, are people that ******ed? the whole basis of your argument is that someone is gonna spend the time and resources needed for a DD on a crappy BS.
Titans aren't supposed to be cost effective, so everyone who wants to fly one propably isn't overly conserned with little things like optimal use of time and resources. This is also a game, so doing things for ****s and giggles is as good a reason as any to do things.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.09.26 21:34:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 21:36:24 Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 21:36:01: Errors and presentation fixed
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
who the **** cares about a solo BS in lowsec enough to bring a titan in?
i mean seriously, are people that ******ed? the whole basis of your argument is that someone is gonna spend the time and resources needed for a DD on a crappy BS.
Well your bring up two issues.
1) Are people "******ed" enough to hotdrop lone BS
Do you play the same game as the rest of us? As the two posters above have pointed out and Having played this game for many years, let me pass on the benefit of my experience that people often operate in this game out of spite, revenge, boredom, curiosity, and inertia.
Why do people take the time to drop multiple mother ships on lone battleships? Who knows. Perhaps the answer is simply "why not". But it happens all the time. I can point you to multiple examples I have personaly seen.
Im sure you think using a titan to blow up a dread is all well and good. Well why would you not use a dread to kill a nightmare, or a bahalghorn, or any other ship someone has striven to build up WHICH MAY WELL BE WORTH TWO OR THREE TIMES MORE THEN A CAPITAL SHIP AND WILL DROP A HELL OF A LOT MORE LOOT
If you think, with 240 titans in game (estimated) that people are not going to start using them for the hell of it to blow up ships which are often worth two or three times more then a capital ship your insane.
2) Is this the basis of my argument If you reread my point, it is that flying a "crappy" BS is the only way in future to protect yourself from this scenario. I advise selling faction ships, faction fits, and running fully insured T2 ships. I advise seeking not to strive to better yourself.
My point is that despite CCPs stated desire to "boost lowsec" they have (inadvertently perhaps) slapped down another nerf on small-medium corps in lowsec, piracy, and the few faint vestiges of individualism in the game.
Thats IF this change goes through.
Anyone else with something to say who wants logic thrashing.
SKUNK
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.27 01:18:00 -
[66]
if ur worried about losing your ship to a DD dont fly it...
Age old saying comes to mind....
Dont Fly what you cant afford to lose...
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thoraxeb
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.27 10:56:00 -
[67]
Originally by: EliteSlave if ur worried about losing your ship to a DD dont fly it...
Age old saying comes to mind....
Dont Fly what you cant afford to lose...
Skunk is gonna have a sweet-ass time flaming you. Enjoy.
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Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:03:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Crackzilla
Originally by: Euriti DD 5 would mean that it will take 3 million damage so you would still die.
to eft it a rev with dcu & 7x Bulkheads II & 3x trimarks can get about 4mil ehp.
Yeah you lose dps but if then again it takes 2x titans to kill you it might be worth it. A dread in seige can't be repped so not much hope for remote reps anyways.
I gotta agree with the previous poster in that if there is anyway that a doomsday can be tanked then the definition of a proper fit may very well change.
Fitting all your dreads like that would lose you more dps than having 1 properly fitted dread lost every 5 mins. Dont even bring me to where that dread fleet finds itself against a hostile dread fleet rather than a titan or 2 (which is what will happen most of the time).
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Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:10:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 21:41:27 Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/09/2009 21:36:01: Errors and presentation fixed
Originally by: Trustworthy Joe
who the **** cares about a solo BS in lowsec enough to bring a titan in?
i mean seriously, are people that ******ed? the whole basis of your argument is that someone is gonna spend the time and resources needed for a DD on a crappy BS.
Well you bring up two issues.
1) Are people "******ed" enough to hotdrop lone BS
Do you play the same game as the rest of us? As the two posters above have pointed out and Having played this game for many years, let me pass on the benefit of my experience that people often operate in this game out of spite, revenge, boredom, curiosity, and inertia.
Why do people take the time to drop multiple mother ships on lone battleships? Who knows. Perhaps the answer is simply "why not". But it happens all the time. I can point you to multiple examples I have personally seen.
I'm sure you think using a titan to blow up a dread is all well and good and a suitable use for the titan.
Well then why would you not use a Titan to CYNO-CLICK-INSTAPOP a nightmare, or a bahalghorn, or any other ship someone has striven to build up which may well BE WORTH TWO OR THREE TIMES MORE THEN A CAPITAL SHIP and will drop a hell of a lot more loot
If you think, with 240 titans in game (estimated) that people are not going to start using them for the hell of it to blow up ships which are often worth two or three times more then a capital ship your insane.
2) Is this the basis of my argument
If you reread my point, it is that flying a "crappy" BS is the only way in future to protect yourself from this scenario. I advise selling faction ships, faction fits, and running fully insured T2 ships. I advise seeking not to strive to better yourself.
My point is that despite CCPs stated desire to "boost lowsec" they have (inadvertently perhaps) slapped down another nerf on small-medium corps in lowsec, piracy, and the few faint vestiges of individualism in the game.
Thats IF this change goes through.
SKUNK
Its no different from said pirate in said deadspace fitted nightmare one volleying someones cruiser tbh, suck it up. You should be looking at the possibilities baiting and killing the thing tbh.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2009.09.27 11:29:00 -
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So the young strugling corp is fighting some in lowsec with another corp. They both have no sizeable capfleet and are about equal, good fun for everyone. Soon as any of their capitals are shown, expect a hotdrop from a 3rd party containing 10+ dreads to get a capital killmail. Fun spoilt, but the bigger party that had no real interest in the conflict, beyond getting a single capital killmail, is laughing. The guys realize theres no use even trying to accomplish something of their own and goes to become a pet/merge into a bigger corp leading to more blobbage and less small conflict.
So... a young struggling corp is having a war with another and show a capital or two in losec. In comes the two titants, zapping them instantly. Fun spoilt, the party with the titans are laughing. The guys realize theres no use even trying to accomplish something of their own and goes to become a pet/merge into a bigger corp leading to more blobbage and less small conflict.
Same thing already happens. Now a titan or two on the lowsec field, I see hopelessness in their little faces. I'am sure some see that as a good thing, I see it as less fun for both parties, the laughing ones will say 'But we have fun!' I say glee is the type of fun that further hardens their hearts leading to more selfishness and less humanity across the world.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.09.27 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 27/09/2009 12:36:06 Edited by: Le Skunk on 27/09/2009 12:35:35
Originally by: Doddy
Its no different from said pirate in said deadspace fitted nightmare one volleying someones cruiser tbh, suck it up. You should be looking at the possibilities baiting and killing the thing tbh.
Oh god i was waiting for someone to bring this one up.
1) The nightmare wont be one volleying a combat fit cruiser 2) The nightmare can be scouted out and avoided - The nightmare does not appear from thin air fomr a system 30 jumps away. 3) The nightmare has TRACKING to worry about. Esp if Beam Fitted (which is faily common). Orbit up close - notalota hits. 4) The nightmare is subject to ecm (drones and onboard), damps, etc 5) The nightmare can be tackled by the cruiser 6) Two or three T1 FIT cruisers fit correctly will kill the nightmare. 7) The nightmare does not have x million Hitpoints and If the nightmare logs off whilst engaged it wont be there when it gets back
I could probably come up with another 20 reasons why your comparison is utterly inane but you get the point.
-->The cruiser pilot has the ability to avoid, evade, tank, jam, neutralise, tackle, and indeed kill the nightmare.
CRUISER vs NIGHTMARE: Teamwork, fit selection, pilot skills (skillpoints), pilot skills (reflex), pilot experience all apply to the outcome of the combat
When the titan appears from thin air (as the titan currently stands on the test server) all the above is utterly irrelevant. Skills, fits, experience all get shooped in 20 seconds POP. IWIN BUTTON! Sure they cost a lot - But whats a lot when you pulling in .7 trillion isk (reportedly) passive income from moon goo a month. Ill take 3 please.
The only downside to the titan as it presently stands is the shame on CAOD when one (of the estimated 240 currently in game) gets killed. But even a titan killmail barely raises a whimper on CAOD nowadays.
Theres a couple more counter arguments people have not come up with yet which i am waiting for so get busy thinking.
SKUNK
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.27 16:20:00 -
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Good. People station-hugging in super-tanked faction BS with a carrier ready to undock, whining that people don't have the balls to engage them, might just now get an amusing surprise.
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Robert0288
Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.09.27 17:17:00 -
[73]
I hear skunk's new buisness model is to buy up all the cheap faction and deadspace mods, and faction ships.
Good luck with that
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Meveil
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Posted - 2009.09.27 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Meveil on 27/09/2009 17:56:40 Edited by: Meveil on 27/09/2009 17:53:32 Dang, this expect this to go out so long. All right. Did some mental calculations and figure a carrier can survive a single blast. Heres how I would do it. You have to tank for the Titan going to blast you. So that means scouting. If you don't know. your screwed!!
Thantos carrier has 125,000 armor. With three Trimark tech 1 rigs. thats 125,000 x 1.1.5 x 1.15 x 1.15= 190,109.375hp. Then I would get my armor resitence up to 90%. (I've gotten mine up to 88% with out using all my low slots on my dominix and having 2 armor reppers, so 90% is doable with active hardners.) So that means my armor alone can tank 1,901,093.75 hp.
Then I would also get my sheilds to tank. 90% cause there still a crap load of damage left to tank. Thantos has 100,000 sheild hip points. So that would be able to tank 1,000,000 hp.
So lets do the math. sheilds plus armor = 2,901,093.75 while your titan with lvl 5 does 2,500,000, leaving you with 401,093.75 hp left or roughly 40,000 armor points left.
With tech 2 trimark rigs its even more. 216,000 is the armor you have. Whith 90% restiences means you can tank 2,160,000 damage. plus the sheilds and you handle 3,160,000 damage.
Con with this is that your weark against other types of damage. So if I expected a Erebus and a Avator shows up. I'm gonna be crying. Plus with this fit, it forces you do a battle refit. Switching out the armor hardners from the pecific tanking to a all purpose and put in cap reppers in the middle of combat. so hope and pray that other carriers can rep you enough to keep you alive until you refit.
Pros: Should be doable with regular tech 2 gear. Should. Don't have eve fit on this laptop.
Edit: Grammer fix, etc.
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Discrodia
Gallente Forsaken Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.09.27 17:59:00 -
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While we're all arguing about killing support ships with uberlasers, does anyone even know if the damn thing can shoot at small ships? Let alone hit them? ________________________________________________
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