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Lotus Sutra
Caldari Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.20 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 20/09/2009 07:12:04
Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Kaylee Juuna Edited by: Kaylee Juuna on 19/09/2009 20:29:20 The whole '11% tax for NPC corps is awesome' idea? What, are you all morons? Do you get angry at the fact that you can't shoot people walking down your street?
God, if you're that worried about being able to kill people in hi-sec without CONCORD tearing you a new hole (lol @ people who don't like concord) then you should just quit this game. Player corps aren't 'required' and they shouldn't be.
This is an mmo. meaning you need to play with other people. Eve doesnt have a single player mode.
I run a corp myself, I get war decced sometimes even though I mind my own business most of the time. It happens. You kill those who try to kill you, make your isk, and move on.
By being in a NPC corp you are missing out on that entire experience. Why do you even bother playing if you just play completely alone?
Because I want to. I play an MMO alone, because that is what I like to do. I like being the lone wolf. I like interacting with people. I don't want or need anyone's help to have fun in an Internet Spaceship Game.
If You need others to have fun with then by all means please enjoy your fun but leave us others who have fun in a different manner our sandbox to play in as well. We pay for the game just like you do.
The people who think you MUST be in a corp to experience the fullness of EVE just don't understand how people like me who can enjoy something so simple in a game as making that 0.01% margin trade that allows us to make a much larger profit than our competitors. Or those of us who like and enjoy just running missions and don't care about PVP or player corps or talking to people.
I like trading. Mission running. PvP. But I like doing them solo and without any one else's help or blob to accomplish it.
I. DO. NOT. NEED. YOU. TO. HAVE. MY. FUN. IN. AN. INTERNET. SPACESHIP. GAME.
YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR ME TO ENJOY THIS GAME.
Like jerking off, you usually do it alone, but now and then it's nice to have someone give you a hand. It's not needed, but fun now and then. ------------------------------------------------
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Robert0288
Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.09.20 07:13:00 -
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This is potentially the greatest nerf I've ever seen CCP do. The sheer outflowing of emoraging from this will fill my resevoir of carebear tears for months
About time
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Redflare
Caldari Lompoc-Amish Industrial Labs SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2009.09.20 07:22:00 -
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/sign if you are in favor of raising the tax to 22%!!!
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Lotus Sutra
Caldari Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.20 07:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lotus Sutra on 20/09/2009 07:31:02
Originally by: Redflare /sign if you are in favor of raising the tax to 22%!!!
I am for an 11% tax on NPC corps:
While I don't believe players should be forced out of NPC corps, I do think they should have a tax like regular corps. If they choose to make a corp of their own that has no tax, they can. ------------------------------------------------
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Haakelen
Gallente Angels.
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Posted - 2009.09.20 07:32:00 -
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quoting this because i'm down:
Originally by: Lotus Sutra I am for raising it as follows for NPC corps:
0-60 days 0% tax 60-120 days 11% tax 120-240 days 22% tax 240-365 days 44% tax over 1 year 60% tax
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Lotus Sutra
Caldari Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.20 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen quoting this because i'm down:
Originally by: Lotus Sutra I am for raising it as follows for NPC corps:
0-60 days 0% tax 60-120 days 11% tax 120-240 days 22% tax 240-365 days 44% tax over 1 year 60% tax
rofl, you got that before I edited it back to blah. ------------------------------------------------
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.20 07:41:00 -
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Why would npc corporations have an unfair tax advantage? I dont see any reason why a mission runner corp would need tax above 0%. Well maybe a few % to buy some random stuff for corp hangars, although i allready dont see what you would possible need in there.
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Clytamnestra
A Slinger of Guns
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Posted - 2009.09.20 07:52:00 -
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Players aren't being forced out of NPC corps, for chrissake. 11% is a pittance. All this does is to give to the people who're thinking about making a corp anyways.
It's an MMO, it tries to nudge its players to play with each other. But this change, in no way, hampers those who want to play it alone.
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Gsptlsnz
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Posted - 2009.09.20 13:18:00 -
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11% is not so much.
But this has shaken my confidence in CCP.
It's not going to affect Industrial/Trading Corps, including those associated with 0.0 or lowSec Corps, since the tax affects only mission income. It's not going to encourage solo players to join player Corps. It's not going to change anyone who uses an NPC Corp to avoid interacting with blackmailers and gankers. It won't change anyone's plans or schedule for entering 0.0.
The only possible beneficiaries of this change are highSec WarDec blackmailers.
There's too much "pretend PvP" in EvE already - it should not be encouraged. If CCP wants more PvP, or for people to move to lowSec or 0.0, they should first make it attractive to do those things.
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Gideon Kross
Caldari PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.09.20 13:35:00 -
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"NPC Corps aren't Real Corps."
True. They are in point of fact, Learning Institutions and Trade Schools.
So, with that in mind... Don't think of it as a Tax.
Think of it as a Tuition Payment.
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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.20 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna Edited by: Kaylee Juuna on 19/09/2009 20:29:20 The whole '11% tax for NPC corps is awesome' idea? What, are you all morons? Do you get angry at the fact that you can't shoot people walking down your street?
God, if you're that worried about being able to kill people in hi-sec without CONCORD tearing you a new hole (lol @ people who don't like concord) then you should just quit this game. Player corps aren't 'required' and they shouldn't be.
If I want to shoot you on the street I can and if I wished to do so I would. And I would walk away with a dozen people gawking without anyone lifting a finger to help your worthless corpse (except to loot it). The police will indeed come after me if I'm stupid (which is why CONCORD is so quick to rip suicide gankers apart... they're stupid) but maybe in a few hours, or a few days.
Meanwhile you're still just as dead.
Hiding in wardec immune NPC corps should be harsh on the wallet and the progress of your character. Period, end of story. The limits on them should be extreme and 11% tax is hardly extreme... the US income tax is around 23% alone, and then you add on state income and sales taxes and you're looking at closer to 30-40%.
TAX. Money thrown out to pay for the cops wondering who ganked your sorry but into a six foot dirtnap a few days after the fact, or the ambulance that scoops your lard up, or any of a host of other things that should be taken firmly into account when levying taxes against people who are, in all essence, riding on the Dole (Welfare) system. 25% tax would not be enough. 50% would be more adequate but when you can have a nuub at in a 1-man corp do all your taxable transactions it's hardly effective.
Limit school corps to level 1 and 2 missions, NPC corps to 1-4 but maximum agent quality zero (regardless of actual agent quality). No freighters or mining barges in nuub corps, no access to lowsec or 0.0, period (insurance costs for those replacement frigs, after all). No freighters pilotable in NPC corps, period.
A few simple changes to push your sorry but into a corp I can declare on for the pleasure of watching your ship melt, or watch you sit uselessly in a station (or logged out unable to play at all, no loss there, and CCP still gets your coward money), would be just the way they need to go.
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zaxin diadrin
Minmatar Encroaching Darkness
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Posted - 2009.09.20 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: zaxin diadrin on 20/09/2009 14:36:43
Originally by: Lotus Sutra
I like trading. Mission running. PvP. But I like doing them solo and without any one else's help or blob to accomplish it.
I. DO. NOT. NEED. YOU. TO. HAVE. MY. FUN. IN. AN. INTERNET. SPACESHIP. GAME.
YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR ME TO ENJOY THIS GAME.
Like jerking off, you usually do it alone, but now and then it's nice to have someone give you a hand. It's not needed, but fun now and then.
<-----points at her corp
This is my 1 man corp...it is for me to play alone in, note how it is not an NPC corp. My tax rate is 0%. I have another one man corp, but that is in an alliance....I fail to see why you need to play in an NPC corp to play alone.
I personally make my own corps after 2 or 3 days in npc corp, cos it drives me crazy.
By staying in the npc corp, you arent playing alone, you are playing in one of the biggest corps in eve *shrugs*
Train corp management to 1, magically you can play in solo mode after that :)
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.09.20 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylee Juuna Do you get angry at the fact that you can't shoot people walking down your street?
If the people walking down my street were flying internet spaceships down my street and I couldn't shoot at them, I would be upset about it, yes.
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer |
Noirtier
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Posted - 2009.09.20 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Robert0288 This is potentially the greatest nerf I've ever seen CCP do. The sheer outflowing of emoraging from this will fill my resevoir of carebear tears for months
About time
Are IRON members allowed to call anyone carebears?
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Troll Bridgington
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Posted - 2009.09.20 15:24:00 -
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See, this is why you can't have nice things.
My opinion still stands: Potentially best expansion EVAR!!!11
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Daemonspirit
An Android Lust
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Posted - 2009.09.20 16:45:00 -
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This changes nothing, anyone with any brains has figured out:
A. How to avoid the tax, B. How to avoid war-decs, C. How to play the game, in the manner they choose.
CCP wants to encourage people to play together? After reading some of these responses, I think being on the same Shard is close enough...
Now if CCP could just encourage these "Player Corps" to do a better job of recruiting and informing people of who they are, so that anyone in an NPC corp who *was* potentially thinking about leaving, would have an idea of why any of them are different/better than the NPC corp they just left, or actually give a *p*o*o*p* about being in *their* corp/alliance?
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Sandor Krejaa
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:05:00 -
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Nothing like taxes to create 'emoragewhine'..I am sure there will be a complaint in there about NPC corps becoming Socialist and creating 'death panels' too.
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Woodwraith
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Heroldyn
then they should not be called corporations but whatever.. 'clubs' if you want.
and you should have an option not to be in one, be it npc or player-.
This really isn't bad, the idea of unaffiliated, freelance pilots would fit eve really well, and i agree with you. however, that'd really only have a chance of being adopted when the game was in its infancy, I think that horse is too far out of the barn to be considered now.
My only real concern with this idea is that hordes of npc missioners are going to start making one man corps and simply dissolving them when they get the mail about a wardec, and while most of the names and tickers will be junk, i think, on the average, your gonna have a lot of good names/tickers burned unnecesarily. Honestly corps that are closed or dead with no directors left should be dissolved and their names and tickers put back into the general population of options. |
Jastra
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:46:00 -
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you are fearing something you dont need to fear, all my alts are in there own corp, never been wardecced in 3 years, someone already posted a solution for anyone with a modi****of intelligence to cost pirates isk and not have issues with wardecs, by just having a few alt corps (easily done) or just, you know, join a player corporation/alliance!! - some of them are actually quite good!, I seriously itch whenever I start a new char and it's in a npc corp, I have no idea how anyone can put up with the constant rubbish in corp chat. _ _ _
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Woodwraith
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.09.20 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jastra you are fearing something you dont need to fear, all my alts are in there own corp, never been wardecced in 3 years, someone already posted a solution for anyone with a modi****of intelligence to cost pirates isk and not have issues with wardecs, by just having a few alt corps (easily done) or just, you know, join a player corporation/alliance!! - some of them are actually quite good!, I seriously itch whenever I start a new char and it's in a npc corp, I have no idea how anyone can put up with the constant rubbish in corp chat.
Everytime I start a new alt, I get a free month to spread epic amounts of disinformation. Awesome bonus tbh. _________________________________
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Flauschig Katzchen
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Posted - 2009.09.20 20:14:00 -
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I don't mind paying taxes as long as I have a say in how the money is spent. Can we now choose different NPC corps based on how high the taxes are and what benefits we get? Nodidn'thinkso. CCP fails @ taxes.
Call it an NPC corp penalty and we're fine. ------ sig |
The Wintersmith
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Posted - 2009.09.20 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: The Wintersmith on 20/09/2009 20:31:33
Originally by: Kaylee Juuna WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAHHAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.09.20 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Robert0288 This is potentially the greatest nerf I've ever seen CCP do. The sheer outflowing of emoraging from this will fill my resevoir of carebear tears for months
About time
you honestly think most of the player base will even notice?
hell I dbout that most of the player base even notices when CCP has extended downtime for a routeen patch let alone things like Dust 514 (just from what I have heard in game, most still think its some kind of fake or joke) Dominion (the attitude is worry about it after fanfair) or anything else on CCPs blogs.
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ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2009.09.20 23:45:00 -
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the OP is just mad because he cant farm isk in nub corp now :(
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Lotus Sutra
Caldari Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.20 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: zaxin diadrin Edited by: zaxin diadrin on 20/09/2009 14:36:43
Originally by: Lotus Sutra
I like trading. Mission running. PvP. But I like doing them solo and without any one else's help or blob to accomplish it.
I. DO. NOT. NEED. YOU. TO. HAVE. MY. FUN. IN. AN. INTERNET. SPACESHIP. GAME.
YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR ME TO ENJOY THIS GAME.
Like jerking off, you usually do it alone, but now and then it's nice to have someone give you a hand. It's not needed, but fun now and then.
<-----points at her corp
This is my 1 man corp...it is for me to play alone in, note how it is not an NPC corp. My tax rate is 0%. I have another one man corp, but that is in an alliance....I fail to see why you need to play in an NPC corp to play alone.
I personally make my own corps after 2 or 3 days in npc corp, cos it drives me crazy.
By staying in the npc corp, you arent playing alone, you are playing in one of the biggest corps in eve *shrugs*
Train corp management to 1, magically you can play in solo mode after that :)
Points out that I am IN a one man corp as well. This tax won't effect any of my characters anyway so i'm not worried about it in the least, I just enjoyed pointing out to all the griefers crowing about how many fat new targets they would have that with current corp game mechanics, about all they will end up with is a slim wallet from footing bills for war decs that end up with no kills because the corp was made as a front corp to allow the actual working character to hop around and evade them if they want to and there is NOTHING they can do to stop it. ------------------------------------------------
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.20 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: ceaon on 20/09/2009 23:58:25
Originally by: Kaylee Juuna [Do you get angry at the fact that you can't shoot people walking down your street?
i can shoot ppl on street the only thing make me change my mind is the ****ing police and prison system
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9 Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.21 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gsptlsnz But this has shaken my confidence in CCP.
11% tax on bears has shaken your confidence in CCP?
Sorry but i'm off to giggle uncontrollably at this statement. Back later.
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Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.09.21 02:18:00 -
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I don't think 11% is a really big deal, neither do I think that it will change things remarkably.
It makes sense in terms of the backstory as well as there's no reason why pilot shouldn't get taxed.
Its not even going to impact me in any way but I'm against it.
Why?
Because its lazy.
Instead of providing some reasonably creative carrots CCP have gone for the dreadfully dull stick and in doing so appear to be paying far too much attention to all of those squealing hi-sec gankbears.
The tax will just entrench behaviour, it won't change it.
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m3rb3aSt
Minmatar Advanced Component Research Enterprise GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.21 02:24:00 -
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The ONLY excuse for not liking the tax is because people want a safe way to mission without wardecs
CCP has decided that enough is enough. I think it is a great decision. Join a corp!
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.09.21 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula Apparently the other thread was too good for this response.
It had a posting tax.
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