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Mes Caline
Amarr Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.09.21 21:48:00 -
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I see no battleships on the km...
He thought he was safe - turns out he wasnt. Lesson for him, mild enjoyment for us.
And you cannot comment on how boring it must be to kill someone who cant fight back, i happen to think that watching yellow lasers shoot rocks for hours on end is boring.
"Go and do something else then whilst you are mining". You pay to play? Not to do homework...
No bragging here, its only a ****fit hulk with no tank...
I are teh poastin'
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Dr Lebroi
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Posted - 2009.09.22 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ven Orion Edited by: Ven Orion on 21/09/2009 21:35:00 PvP = Player Vs Player But battleship/cruiser/frigate Vs Hulk/retriever/covertor, no way is that PvP.
CCP should leave Sovereignty alone and sort out this cowardly so called PvP. I think these so called PvP'ers think their the only ones who pay for EO.
I take your point, but there's very little 'fair' pvp in eve. Pvp seems to be about picking targets that present very little viable threat to the attacking party or parties.
As an example, IÆve been teaching myself to solo PVP in cheap T1 cruiser set-ups. IÆve tried to pick out pilots and ships that I think IÆve got a chance against but IÆve learnt that, on the whole, unless the pilot tries to flee, the odds are heÆs just a bait ship and his friends are waiting to jump in with battle cruisers and assault frigates as soon as I engage.
IÆve died loads to this tactic, a tactic that gives me no viable chance of a fair fight. I donÆt mind this; Eve is a cruel game, thatÆs how I like it. IÆm still learning and the learning process isnÆt costing me too much in relation to the fun IÆm extracting.
But the point is this, the mantra of pvp could be ænever give a sucker an even breakÆ.
IÆve now learnt that my best chance of scoring more kills is to target players as clueless as I was when I first got into a pvp ship. If IÆm going to attack another player then it is with the expectation of victory not the hope of victory. The realization is that very little pvp occurs between evenly matched opponents outside of tournaments.
So is suiciding really that different?
Weak players are targeted and destroyed for profit and kicks. If these players then toughen up and learn to defend themselves, the likelihood is that they wonÆt remain targets for long as there is always fresh meat out there that wonÆt represent a threat.
Is pvp really more æhonorableÆ? Or is it a fact that Eve is a dark and dangerous universe where the strong will always prey on the weak?
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Redshirt I
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Posted - 2009.09.22 19:36:00 -
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1.0 - .9 space should be hassle free for those who only want to mine or otherwise play the game without having to deal with people who prey on non combat types. I understand this is not what most can flippers would want, its just my personal opinion.
0.0-.6 should be a free for all, as it is and those that travel to those locations are at their own risk.
.7 -.8 is wishy washy and I could go either way.
I keep rolling out of station in High sec areas seeing new players podded cause they see a can floating in space and decide to click on it, then some low life in a T2 swats them like a fly, a real challenge for a sociopath.
Red
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The Treehugger
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Posted - 2009.09.24 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Redshirt I 1.0 - .9 space should be hassle free for those who only want to mine or otherwise play the game without having to deal with people who prey on non combat types. I understand this is not what most can flippers would want, its just my personal opinion.
0.0-.6 should be a free for all, as it is and those that travel to those locations are at their own risk.
.7 -.8 is wishy washy and I could go either way.
I keep rolling out of station in High sec areas seeing new players podded cause they see a can floating in space and decide to click on it, then some low life in a T2 swats them like a fly, a real challenge for a sociopath.
Red
Why do you not just learn how to fit your ship? that will solve most of your problems in high-sec.
And there is a pop up message that tells you stealing is bad for you. If you disable that and steal **** anyway, why cry here on the forums?
I am the CEO of a small ratting corp that rat in Ice belts killing exhumers for loot and salvage. With just a token-defence, we would have to run, because lets face it, staying alive 20 seconds is not all that hard if you do not gank-fit your exhumers.
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FU22
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.09.24 01:40:00 -
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Suicide ganking is not only entertaining but if you pick your target wisely can be quite profitable.
I used a completly tech one fitted catalyst to suicide gank a retriever that had a gistii b type booster fitted one time
Piece of advice, if you get suicide ganked, don't say anything in local or on the forums as tears are the best prize for the gankers from my personal first hand experience
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The Treehugger
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Posted - 2009.09.24 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: The Treehugger on 24/09/2009 16:07:27
Originally by: FU22 Suicide ganking is not only entertaining but if you pick your target wisely can be quite profitable.
I used a completly tech one fitted catalyst to suicide gank a retriever that had a gistii b type booster fitted one time
Piece of advice, if you get suicide ganked, don't say anything in local or on the forums as tears are the best prize for the gankers from my personal first hand experience
If you have to target your enemy, you are doing it wrong... You sound like one of the soft suicide bombers that lets the pods get away.
None of my enviormental activists would let the pods get away if it can be helped. The only way to defeat the imperialists and industrialists are to blow up everying that makes the EVE Economy grow.
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Tiel Enim
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Posted - 2009.09.24 18:08:00 -
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So its like PvE except your targets ships dont have guns fitted?
I dunno, all this "free rewards and no risk"-stuff sounds very carebear to me. Maybe you kids should try some PvP one day? Be warned though that in PvP your target might shoot back!
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The Treehugger
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Posted - 2009.09.24 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tiel Enim So its like PvE except your targets ships dont have guns fitted?
I dunno, all this "free rewards and no risk"-stuff sounds very carebear to me. Maybe you kids should try some PvP one day? Be warned though that in PvP your target might shoot back!
WTF are you talking about? A hulk can fit a nasty buffertank, a point + ECM, if he want to, and can pack 5 hammerhead T2's for quite a nice DPS...
A mackinaw can not pack a tank even close to the Hulk, but it can get a fair EHP and it also get a fair enough DPS from a flight of T2 drones.
so, IF for some idiotic reason these guys in empire do not feel like dropping some roid-gank for tank/DPS, do not blame me or my workers trying to make ends meet.
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Karadan Kaarwen
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Posted - 2009.09.25 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Flauschig Katzchen
Originally by: Villa Wolfsbane Concord punishes, not protects.
Just like real cops!
Who also have the slogan 'to patronise and annoy'.
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Ira Black
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Posted - 2009.09.25 12:06:00 -
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I mine in a Hulk a lot. Never been ganked. Managed to get lost in Mack flying through 26 0.0 systems with it. Quite exciting It is all PvP tho. Too bad about the Hulk m8. Part of the game. Like you looking to collect on your killrights.
GL
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2009.09.25 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Skex Relbore on 25/09/2009 13:27:35 What is the strategy that can used to stop a suicide gank?
If I understand the tactic correctly the idea is to lay out sufficient damage to the target to kill them before Concord arives.
From my one experience being Concordorked I know this responce time is almost instantaneous.
So what the hell can someone do to protect themselves from such activity?
I could understand if it was a mater of taking time to grind down an afk miner they deserve to get poped if they are afk, Hell when I afk mine I accept that I might loose the ship in question. But to me it sounds like the suicide gank tactic could be used even on a fully aware and prepared pilot.
Such an over kill seems to proclude the posibility of an overwatch providing any level of protection. After all the suicide gankers are exploiting the fact that Concord protects them up until the moment of their attack.
In fact I find it hard to see how suicide ganking isn't considered an exploit. They rely on the fact that their victim can not launch a pre-emptive strike due to potential Concord intervention.
That's why I consider it a lamer tactic. It exploits a game mechanic in order to provide a zero risk gain. That's the definition of an exploit IMO.
At least the can-flippers are taking a risk that makes them a valid target for reprisal so if they pick on the wrong mining op they could get popped.
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MyNameIsJackie Chan
Okkelen Grave Robbers
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Posted - 2009.09.25 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: MyNameIsJackie Chan on 25/09/2009 15:31:39
Originally by: Skex Relbore Edited by: Skex Relbore on 25/09/2009 13:27:35 What is the strategy that can used to stop a suicide gank?
If I understand the tactic correctly the idea is to lay out sufficient damage to the target to kill them before Concord arives.
From my one experience being Concordorked I know this responce time is almost instantaneous.
So what the hell can someone do to protect themselves from such activity?
I could understand if it was a mater of taking time to grind down an afk miner they deserve to get poped if they are afk, Hell when I afk mine I accept that I might loose the ship in question. But to me it sounds like the suicide gank tactic could be used even on a fully aware and prepared pilot.
Such an over kill seems to proclude the posibility of an overwatch providing any level of protection. After all the suicide gankers are exploiting the fact that Concord protects them up until the moment of their attack.
In fact I find it hard to see how suicide ganking isn't considered an exploit. They rely on the fact that their victim can not launch a pre-emptive strike due to potential Concord intervention.
That's why I consider it a lamer tactic. It exploits a game mechanic in order to provide a zero risk gain. That's the definition of an exploit IMO.
At least the can-flippers are taking a risk that makes them a valid target for reprisal so if they pick on the wrong mining op they could get popped.
You have 2 low slots and some mid slots along with a drone bay and 2 rig slots. Now, let me see. 2 Shield Extender rigs, some shield extension modules and maybe throw in some hardners? How does that sound? If you are in a gang, some gang-bonuses will help you. If you have some implants, they will help you. If your corp is mining, why don't you get a guy to bring a basilisk?
If you are attacked, you also have TIME TO WARP OUT!!! if it is a smartbomb attack, and if it is an attack where the agressor need to lock you, ANYONE can lock his ship up and ECM him to hell and back as he will be blinking red unless you broke your overview and removed them colors.
And compared to can flippers, the suicide attackers can be hunted by the target, one sided, for 30 DAYS! (Please bug CCP until they make the killrights transferable along with a bounty. A kills B, B gets killrights for player A. B sell the killrights to player C for xxx amount of isk)
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Noktanious
Caldari The Skive Gang
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Posted - 2009.09.27 00:07:00 -
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They should really remove insurance when you get popped by CONCORD. It doesn't really make any sense in my head why it gets paid when it's your own fault, insurances doesn't work like that in real life.
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Leather Jack
Kernite Commando
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Posted - 2009.09.27 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Noktanious They should really remove insurance when you get popped by CONCORD. It doesn't really make any sense in my head why it gets paid when it's your own fault, insurances doesn't work like that in real life.
This.
1. Suicider breaks Empire law. 2. Suicider gets punished by concord by destruction of his ship. 3. Concord then pays money to said punished person, because he lost his ship. 4. ???
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GodsVervloek
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.27 21:51:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but PVP stands for Player vs Player. Players can compete against other players in numerous ways, EVE being a sandbox and all. Just because they are mining and you like to shoot stuff, doesn't mean that they are not engaging in PVP, it's just not combat PVP.
Forcing other people to play the game your way is selfish and arrogant, for proper combat PVP (which is a lot more fun and can be more profitable too) come to 0.0 so that we can show you how.
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Vimple
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Posted - 2009.09.28 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: GodsVervloek Correct me if I'm wrong, but PVP stands for Player vs Player. Players can compete against other players in numerous ways, EVE being a sandbox and all. Just because they are mining and you like to shoot stuff, doesn't mean that they are not engaging in PVP, it's just not combat PVP.
Forcing other people to play the game your way is selfish and arrogant, for proper combat PVP (which is a lot more fun and can be more profitable too) come to 0.0 so that we can show you how.
That says it. Why shoot the miners if they have to spend money for new carebear ships it just jacks up the prices on our PVP boats.
V
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nafiy gnaw
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Posted - 2009.09.28 08:49:00 -
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There is no such thing as a "fair" fight in EvE. In EvE you dont fight for bragging rights, you fight for money, resources and survival instead. If you want to fight for bragging rights, then a FPS will suits you better.
-nafiy
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Ronja Mistysdottir
The Treehugger Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.28 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Noktanious They should really remove insurance when you get popped by CONCORD. It doesn't really make any sense in my head why it gets paid when it's your own fault, insurances doesn't work like that in real life.
Why do you cry about the insurance? Had it not been for the insurance on ships, there would have been a LOT lower mineral prices. Right now, any producer can get paid the same as he does now by simply making ships with his spare ore.
Nothing costs anything any more in this world, and the price on big ships and Exhumers have dropped to an all time low. It is disgusting.
As long as miners mine the ice in empire endangering the existence of Strontium Based Life Forms that live inside the ICE in small localized high pressure cracks inside the rocks and small 'caves'.
By using ice miners on these rocks, cracks are formed that go from the outside, where we have the vacuum of space and into the rocks. Any pressurized area these cracks get to causes the built up strontium atmosphere to escape to vacuum, sucking the poor defenseless SBLF's into space where they die.
Since these SBLF's can not defend themselves, they made contact with my leader ôThe Treehuggerö through telepathy and asked him to fight for them. The Treehugger Corp will now, and forever, fight this ôwar by proxyö on behalf of ALL Allah's creatures that gets hurt by the increased industrialization of space.
We are just now starting to find results in our labs on the devastation Moon Mining causes to life on the various moons out there being mined and fueled by the products stolen from the SBLF's culture.
The Treehugger Corp.
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Insong Whang
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Posted - 2009.09.28 13:52:00 -
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Did i see "risk free" and "100% safe" mixed with "suicide ganking"?=D So far i've lost all my ships i've used in those ganks, so it's hardly safe Get killed or die trying it, that's what i always say
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Ronja Mistysdottir
The Treehugger Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.28 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Insong Whang Did i see "risk free" and "100% safe" mixed with "suicide ganking"?=D So far i've lost all my ships i've used in those ganks, so it's hardly safe Get killed or die trying it, that's what i always say
The Concord government have sanctioned more than 90! people to kill me, regardless of where I am. 90! people, have kill rights to my pod. Industrial fascists have placed a 150 million isk bounty on me and this have the corrupt governments approval. The ORE corporation are bribing officials to look the other way and ignore the damaging effects the Barge and Exhumer class vessels has on the enviorment.
We have found faith in Karttoons teachings and we believe that through the path he have preached for the salvation of the soul and preservation of the sacred belts, we will gladly lay down our ships and pods in our journey to Paradise.
Allahu Ackbar! Praise to the Prophet and the protection of Strontium Based Life Forms.
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The Treehugger
The Treehugger Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.28 14:52:00 -
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For the preservation of our pod fluids it is VITAL that all exhumer and barge interuption to the ICE of the universe is TERMINATED one way or another.
Help save the universe from Exhumer pollution and fight the ever increasing price war from low-price ship seller corporations.
Help us bring the Battleship price back to an enviormentally sound |
HillAnt
Amarr The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2009.09.28 14:53:00 -
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You are most blessed in this holy crusade my beloved sister and brothers --- HillAnt corp website for entrepeneurs |
viper09
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Posted - 2009.09.28 21:49:00 -
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theyre is 1 very simple way to not see youre ship go pop fit a tank and dont go afk while mining it only takes 30 seconds for ship to get inrange to smartbomb you ive tested this in a system sat my armageddon in the middle of ice mining fleet in emol whihc consisted of 5 mack 3 hulks and orca before i set of my smartbomb but i had picked wrong suicide ship and only got them to structure. morale of story if you see a bs moving into youre mining squad move away from him if you see sum1 moving into the middle of youre group in small ship move
thanxz for youre time viper09
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Icycle
Phobia.
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Posted - 2009.10.03 05:45:00 -
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I had 5.0 sec status, and now I'm at 0.8 or so and down 9 Geddons. It's been really fun suiciding Geddons on Hulks. I live in a certain system and I get to know who's macro mining and who is not. So when I saw the same people always mining I decided I'd clean the place up a bit and burn my sec status. I've only lost maybe 50mil or so after losing 9 Geddons and it's been well worth it. The macro miners have left.
Suiciding is just a part of EVE that people need to accept.
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Meyr
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.10.03 18:30:00 -
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Icycle, I applaud your efforts at making macro miner's lives miserable. Even I, a pretty dedicated Carebear, can get behind ideas like that.
Mes Caline, I notice you're in an NPC corp - so, you're hiding, immune from being dec'd, but ganking others. Isn't this exactly what a lot of you "so-called" PVP'rs complain about? How about stepping out, getting into a player corp, and accepting some risk.
Also, as far as accepting risk goes, since so many of you champion the "risk-vs-reward" concept, and use it to justify your actions, how about some real risk? Have CCP finally remove insurance payments for getting Concorded. Let's see how well you do then. You'd have to actually WORK (I know, a 4-letter word) to see if the target was worth the price of the ship you're about to lose, and you would have to RISK (another 4-letter word!!) that the sweet module or loot would not actually drop.
Failing that, NPC corporation characters should not be able to PVP in any manner, except with other NPC corporation members. This way, no one is immune from the consequences of what they do. Eve University - Send us your noobs, we'll send you back well-educated noobs!! |
Lucia Wilber
King's Pride Manufacturing Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.03 22:55:00 -
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I am a carebear by profession, not by mindset. Sorry you lost your Hulk, but that's EVE. Plain and simple.
Honestly, you can fit enough of a buffer tank on a Hulk that the amount lost to pop it (in terms of ships and modules) outweighs the potential gains. Most people suicide gank for profit, but if you have people popping you because they don't like you, or don't like your methods, then they probably have no qualms about burning through ISK just to grief you, in which case...oh, well.
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Klausan
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.10.03 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Noktanious They should really remove insurance when you get popped by CONCORD. It doesn't really make any sense in my head why it gets paid when it's your own fault, insurances doesn't work like that in real life.
Because rest of eve is *just* like real life.
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Memphis Raines
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Posted - 2009.10.04 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Klausan
Originally by: Noktanious They should really remove insurance when you get popped by CONCORD. It doesn't really make any sense in my head why it gets paid when it's your own fault, insurances doesn't work like that in real life.
Because rest of eve is *just* like real life.
There is no logical reason to keep the payouts if Concord is involved. The only arguments I've ever heard always falls back to high sec gankers wanting their cake and eating it too. Sorry but if you want to risk a ship to suicide gank the only reward you should get is whatever loot you can snag.
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.10.04 05:58:00 -
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I've noticed that in some regions the prices of Rokhs and Hyperions are less than 70% of their base price. Which means in theory you can go and gank someone in those ships and make a geniune profit off the insurance payout. (Yes in theory you can just insure these ships and self destruct them to make isk, but this is more fun)
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Murdoc Messenger
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Posted - 2009.10.05 13:41:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with the current state of insurance when concord ganks people trying to rat the enemeis of the Angel Cartel / Sansha Nation etc.
I have myself tried to assist Blood Raiders and Sanshas against the ever increasing influx of miners on their Ice Belts, and Concord seems to show up and blow up my Typhoons all the time. I do not mind because stupid miners / industrialists sell the ships to cheap...
Stop blaming concord, and start taking money for the ships you put out damn it. Selling a Typhoon for under 80 mill or an armageddon bellow 75 is just stupid. And a raven SHOULD cost atleast 120 mill. Get the prices up there, and suicide ganks will stop. --- Failed COAD warrior |
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