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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2009.09.17 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 17/09/2009 11:00:10
Originally by: BiggestT
I.E. It takes far longer to use the line of caldari bs launchers (don't forget the rail guns as well!) than it does to use the amarr bs laser line up.
Fail.
the fail is on you ;)
for the large energy guns t2 (or any other large turret) you have the following prerequs small energy weapons - r1 lvl5 medium energy weapons - r3 lvl5 large energy weapons - r5 lvl5 gunnery - r1 lvl5 sharpshooter - r2 lvl5 motion prediction - r2 lvl5 small pulse spec - r3 lvl4 small beam spec - r3 lvl4 medium pulse spec - r5 lvl4 medium beam spec - r5 lvl4
acounting for 14 ranks to lvl5 and 16 ranks to lvl4
for the BS sized launchers you need: missile launcher op - r1 lvl5 torps - r4 lvl5 cruise missiles - r5 lvl5 heavy missiles - r3 lvl3 standard missiles - r2 lvl3
accounting for 10ranks to lvl5 and 5ranks to lvl3 ___________________
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ZelRox
Reikoku
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Posted - 2009.09.17 10:59:00 -
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My apoc was fitted with 1400mm guns for considerable period of time after the launch. When were you forced to use another race weapons on your ship ? Stuff it and leave amarr alone. ----------------------
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:01:00 -
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other races dont need a buff. if you think we are that great and imba: convert.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:16:00 -
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It must be bad for Gallente when they no longer can take on three other ships of the same size and win.
Personally I don't care which race is "best" as I can fly all of them.
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Halet Cu
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Posted - 2009.09.18 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim Remember when Amarr were so bad for so long that it was a meme to joke about them being buffed? and Gallente were the hands down best pvp race? Remember the term Caldari Online? probably not because I find its mostly newer players that complain about racial balance.... (except for capitals... RIP Moros) Only minmatar have suffered close to the way the amarr have..... give it another year before you start the nerf amarr threads, the Amarr deserve their time in the sun!
Thank you for this. I've finally gotten by Amarr BS/pulse/beam weapon skills to the point where I can actually hit something and kill it without being inside of 15km and pounding on it for an hour or so. Even at that I had to train them to Elite and use faction xtals to really see the difference.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 19:04:00 -
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The funny thing is all the current things people claim that makes Amarr overpowered like decent damage at range where all the arguments that people used to defend Amarr when everyone said they where crap and they where poo pooed and basically dismissed.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.09.18 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran The funny thing is all the current things people claim that makes Amarr overpowered like decent damage at range where all the arguments that people used to defend Amarr when everyone said they where crap and they where poo pooed and basically dismissed.
I remember Goumindong saying that "Amarr are good at mid-range combat, but mid-range combat doesn't exist," which was pretty much the prevailing game state at the time.
Speed changes (making ship slower), web changes (making it harder to slow ships down), increasing gang sizes (more likely to have lots of targets far away from you), and the EM resist change (33% / 25% increase to EM damage on armor) are all factors that work in Amarr's favor. That's disregarding the Amarr-specific buffs (Zealot/Omen buff, Apoc buff, Pulse Laser Tracking buff, Khanid MkII).
The EVE boards aren't, in general, stupid. Amarr seems to be the best race to play ATM because they are, by design, the best at mid-range combat and armor buffer tanking, and that happens to be the metagame at the moment. 2-3 years ago not only was the metagame skewed against them (faster ships, 90% webs) but some of the ships that are good at it - Harbinger, un-nerfed Zealot - didn't exist.
The question to ask now is "is Amarr too good for what it does, or is it that the metagame doesn't have a lot of uses for other forms of combat?" Find a way to encourage small gangs and make it take longer for reinforcements to arrive and I think you'll see active-tanking Minmatar and Gallente ships make a resurgence.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2009.09.18 20:00:00 -
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I totally agree with Terianna Eri's assessment tbh.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.18 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran The funny thing is all the current things people claim that makes Amarr overpowered like decent damage at range where all the arguments that people used to defend Amarr when everyone said they where crap and they where poo pooed and basically dismissed.
I remember Goumindong saying that "Amarr are good at mid-range combat, but mid-range combat doesn't exist," which was pretty much the prevailing game state at the time.
Speed changes (making ship slower), web changes (making it harder to slow ships down), increasing gang sizes (more likely to have lots of targets far away from you), and the EM resist change (33% / 25% increase to EM damage on armor) are all factors that work in Amarr's favor. That's disregarding the Amarr-specific buffs (Zealot/Omen buff, Apoc buff, Pulse Laser Tracking buff, Khanid MkII).
The EVE boards aren't, in general, stupid. Amarr seems to be the best race to play ATM because they are, by design, the best at mid-range combat and armor buffer tanking, and that happens to be the metagame at the moment. 2-3 years ago not only was the metagame skewed against them (faster ships, 90% webs) but some of the ships that are good at it - Harbinger, un-nerfed Zealot - didn't exist.
The question to ask now is "is Amarr too good for what it does, or is it that the metagame doesn't have a lot of uses for other forms of combat?" Find a way to encourage small gangs and make it take longer for reinforcements to arrive and I think you'll see active-tanking Minmatar and Gallente ships make a resurgence.
Metagame? What out of game means do amarr speced characters use to become op? Did someone hack the server and buff them?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.18 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran The funny thing is all the current things people claim that makes Amarr overpowered like decent damage at range where all the arguments that people used to defend Amarr when everyone said they where crap and they where poo pooed and basically dismissed.
I remember Goumindong saying that "Amarr are good at mid-range combat, but mid-range combat doesn't exist," which was pretty much the prevailing game state at the time.
Speed changes (making ship slower), web changes (making it harder to slow ships down), increasing gang sizes (more likely to have lots of targets far away from you), and the EM resist change (33% / 25% increase to EM damage on armor) are all factors that work in Amarr's favor. That's disregarding the Amarr-specific buffs (Zealot/Omen buff, Apoc buff, Pulse Laser Tracking buff, Khanid MkII).
The EVE boards aren't, in general, stupid. Amarr seems to be the best race to play ATM because they are, by design, the best at mid-range combat and armor buffer tanking, and that happens to be the metagame at the moment. 2-3 years ago not only was the metagame skewed against them (faster ships, 90% webs) but some of the ships that are good at it - Harbinger, un-nerfed Zealot - didn't exist.
The question to ask now is "is Amarr too good for what it does, or is it that the metagame doesn't have a lot of uses for other forms of combat?" Find a way to encourage small gangs and make it take longer for reinforcements to arrive and I think you'll see active-tanking Minmatar and Gallente ships make a resurgence.
Metagame? What out of game means do amarr speced characters use to become op? Did someone hack the server and buff them?
I think they confused Metagame with FOTM. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.18 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero I think they confused Metagame with FOTM.
I think you confused a 4-letter sheep's bleat with one of the few well-reasoned posts on the matter ----
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.09.18 20:56:00 -
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fear not when everyone and their brother sinks 20 million sp into lazorz and stuff and every other ship flown is amarr, while the rest of us brain dead or stubborn idiots cling teddy bear like to our meh hybrid weapons and projectile and missile and get pwned endlessly by lazorz n stuff. then ccp will surely nerf.
after all you cannot nerf until people have sunk 6 months to a year in cross training and let them pwn everyone's face for a few months and get them hooked on their fotm power trip. so when they do announce said nerf there will be endless crying moaning and general temper tantrums about how our fotm pwnage stuff is fine really we are not imbalanced honest. the forums will burn women will cry and yadda yadda.
buff the other races would be the ideal situation, but we all know ccp does hate to buff over nerf and when they do buff they tend to go way overboard, and when they nerf they tend to do the same just will less overboardness.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.18 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Blane Xero I think they confused Metagame with FOTM.
I think you confused a 4-letter sheep's bleat with one of the few well-reasoned posts on the matter
...Uh What? Please at least attempt to make sense when posting a rebuttal. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Iva Soreass
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.09.18 21:04:00 -
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Why don't you Leave EvE about it.
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Stargazer Monk
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.09.18 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Soreass Why don't you Leave EvE about it.
He is taking an awfully long time about it...Paradox?
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