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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.09.16 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov OP you are awesome. That is all.
Well, I don't know about all of that. I just really like making a profit and having fun at the same time. I tell ya, when I see the opportunity to grab something that is being sold cheaply and bought more expensive elsewhere, I do get pretty excited.
I'm sort of like a Cookie Monster of high/low. When I see profit, I grab it and tear into it. "Ooo, monies! *omnomnomnom*"
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Wensley
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.09.16 11:01:00 -
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Hey Pay Tiger. Great to see a new player getting stuck into the realities of Eve rather than sitting in station or running high sec missions. Keep up the good work and the great stories.
A blog is definitely a good idea. These forums make it almost impossible to keep an eye on a single thread. Go to podlogs.com and sign up now, damn it.
Oh, you might also want to hook up with a guy called Escoce. He was trying to do something similar in setting up a good low sec market. You might have difficulty shifting things on a sell order unless you set up in a pirate or mission hub like Amamake or Old Man Star. Generally pirates and other PvP pilots use T2 gear so you'll do best selling that. Whatever you do next, good luck!
Oh, and the Prorator really will be your best friend.
Read my Piracy Blog
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Lola Fang
Space Assassination Service
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Posted - 2009.09.16 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: FISHANDCHIPS Good
now get yourself a cheap frig and go find some people in low sec its far more interesting
He did, 3 of them. ---------------- "You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?," "Well," said the pirate, "it was my first day with my hook"
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Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.09.16 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Pay Tiger Hmmm. A blog? Sounds kind of interesting. I've never blogged before. >.> I'm not sure if I do anything exciting enough for people to read about it!
I did manage to make a pretty good profit today. When I delivered my goods to the Derelik region I found some items for sale for 78k ISK. They were being bought in Jita for 4.5 MILLION! I found three, so.. that gave me some spending cash.
The thing about trading, is that through my eyes, no it isnt all that interesting. The good news however is that the blog wont be through my eyes, it will be your experiences. I'm certainly interested in your experiences up to now, and would be interested in reading more. You do manage to make it sound exciting, which I know to you it is. I look forward to it.
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Lola Fang
Space Assassination Service
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Posted - 2009.09.16 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Wensley ...you set up in a pirate or mission hub like Amamake or Old Man Star. Generally pirates and other PvP pilots use T2 gear so you'll do best selling that. Whatever you do next, good luck!
Oh, and the Prorator really will be your best friend.
Concord will not look favourably on gunrunning. You will recieve a -10 sec status for supplying pirate scum.
---------------- "You lost your eye to a seagull dropping?," "Well," said the pirate, "it was my first day with my hook"
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VanNostrum
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.16 12:00:00 -
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btw Tiger, instead of buying from low sec and selling it in Jita, you should do it the other way round and earn much more. I guess you started working both ways already by now, faction/T2 ammo, T2 guns of all types can be sold for quite some profit in low sec.
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.09.16 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wensley Hey Pay Tiger. Great to see a new player getting stuck into the realities of Eve rather than sitting in station or running high sec missions. Keep up the good work and the great stories.
A blog is definitely a good idea. These forums make it almost impossible to keep an eye on a single thread. Go to podlogs.com and sign up now, damn it.
Oh, you might also want to hook up with a guy called Escoce. He was trying to do something similar in setting up a good low sec market. You might have difficulty shifting things on a sell order unless you set up in a pirate or mission hub like Amamake or Old Man Star. Generally pirates and other PvP pilots use T2 gear so you'll do best selling that. Whatever you do next, good luck!
Oh, and the Prorator really will be your best friend.
See, that's what I was trying to do at the Berta station (Derelik region) was to distribute a bunch of items that I figured people will need. Unfortunetly I ran out of room to set up orders.. I can do 41 orders at a time and I was 41/41 last night. Heck, I still have loads of missiles and advanced ammo at the station waiting until I free up some orders.
Once I have about.. meh, 15 or 20 orders that I can set up (Or when some of my trade skills finish training) I'll see if I can deliver goods to another region.
My biggest disadvantage right now is that I really don't know where the "hubs" and really big mission areas are at. The only areas I'm familiar with are Jita, Unpas and a little bit of the Lonetrek region.
What I really need is a solid list of major mission/PVP hubs.
Lola Fang: Are you joking? I've never heard of that. Well, I know CONCORD will fine you for drugs but.. weapons too? Really? If so, what type of weapons are banned? Just so I know.
Oh! Look what I found this morning right in "The Forge" region.
11 and 13 jumps out = 211,000 ISK profit per gun! :) 12 x 211,000 = 2,532,000
I also grabbed the ones selling for 500k.
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Lanissum
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.09.16 16:48:00 -
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Some decent lowsec hubs that I know of:
Aurohunen (4 jumps from Jita) Egglehende (4-5 jumps from Rens) Amamake (Near Rens) Old Man Star/Tama (opposing FW lowsec systems)
If you want some high sec systems too: Dodixie Oursulaert Rens Jita Hek
This list is by no means exhaustive, most of those are just systems that I've done a lot of shopping/killing in too. -sig-
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.09.16 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Pay Tiger on 16/09/2009 22:06:28
Originally by: Lanissum Some decent lowsec hubs that I know of:
Aurohunen (4 jumps from Jita) Egglehende (4-5 jumps from Rens) Amamake (Near Rens) Old Man Star/Tama (opposing FW lowsec systems)
If you want some high sec systems too: Dodixie Oursulaert Rens Jita Hek
This list is by no means exhaustive, most of those are just systems that I've done a lot of shopping/killing in too.
Woohoo! Thanks!
*scribbles those notes down*
edit: And also! *faints!* Thanks VERY much for what you sent me in the game Lanissum! I appreciate it so much. *writes an evemail as well*
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Cosmic Raider
Conflagration. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.16 23:16:00 -
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Rock on, Pay Tiger. Best of luck to you and enjoy the game!
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Coreldan
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Posted - 2009.09.17 05:02:00 -
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I'm not really interested in this kinda transaction myself, but somewhy it has been really interesting reading and following the thread
Get em, tiger! :D
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.09.17 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: Pay Tiger on 17/09/2009 05:46:37 Well, I made a blog!
http://podlogs.com/tigerpack/
http://podlogs.com/tigerpack/
There's nothing of real interest up yet, as I just signed up a few minutes ago. I'm going to fiddle around with it some and figure out how it works, then I'll start posting stuff. ^^
edit: I think the link is click-able now.
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.09.19 17:02:00 -
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Bumping against your trade order limits, eh? You'll need to increase your trading skills, but also start taking into account margin per trade order: prefer high-margin items over low-margin items per order. "Per order" means you have to take into account quantity. A single item that will net you 500K ISK profit would be lower priority than 50 of the same item netting a combined 750K ISK profit. You'll also be taking into account volume: an item that sells maybe once a week giving you 500K profit is lower priority than some other item giving lower profit per sale, but selling 50 per day.
Another way to greatly increase your profits, once your skills allow you more orders, is to place buy orders around mission hubs or PVP hubs. Mission runners and PVPers often don't pay much attention to market prices, and will happily unload their loot on the highest buy order--and that is often way below Jita's market value.
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.09.19 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ka Jolo Bumping against your trade order limits, eh? You'll need to increase your trading skills, but also start taking into account margin per trade order: prefer high-margin items over low-margin items per order. "Per order" means you have to take into account quantity. A single item that will net you 500K ISK profit would be lower priority than 50 of the same item netting a combined 750K ISK profit. You'll also be taking into account volume: an item that sells maybe once a week giving you 500K profit is lower priority than some other item giving lower profit per sale, but selling 50 per day.
Another way to greatly increase your profits, once your skills allow you more orders, is to place buy orders around mission hubs or PVP hubs. Mission runners and PVPers often don't pay much attention to market prices, and will happily unload their loot on the highest buy order--and that is often way below Jita's market value.
Yeah, see my delivery to Berta isn't turning out so great at the moment. So far none of the 140,000 foxfire rockets I delivered have sold. Very little of the advanced ammo has sold as well. I have about 9 free orders now (Including the 4 from training "Trade" up another level) so.. meh. I guess I'll stick with my idea that once I hit 15 or 20 open orders I'll make a delivery to a mission hub. My EVE blog |
Lao Xin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.19 20:47:00 -
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There is a lot of good advice here, but my experience as a trader was a lot less lucky recently.
After getting bored of grinding faction with Fed Navy, I decided to start doing more courier routes. I mostly ignored lowsec because I was popped before doing a storyline mission in eggelhende. I was oblivious to certain things, such as:
-30 second immunity after undock if you don't do any action -using cloaking devices to help your aligning from a station or stargate -eying local like a hawk, observing "scouts" (later I realized I was scouted on the ation gate) -creating undock bookmarks, which are bookmarks you setup 1-2,000km out from a station where you haven't changed your direction, helping alignment to near 0 (undocking now shoots you out in a cone so it's not perfect each time). -simply, knowing where to go and not, putting some systems on avoidance
So after a while of doing high sec courier contracts and intermingling them with some trade and the occasional courier mission, I became more brave and confident. I found lowsec areas that don't have much piracy, and began doing those. And then one day I took out almost all of my money in collateral (106m ISK), went through Rancer.. and on the other side was a Broadsword. I didn't have a cloaking device or propulsion. My warp stabilizers were useless to a heavy int. To be honest if I had known I was going through Rancer, I would have fitted properly.. but the route I thought would be going back and not short-cutting through. So I waited for someone to hopefully warp out before me, and sure enough they did and the broadsword tried to scram them. I then aligned to the best celestial, but he must have saw me, dropped target (or failed to scram) and scrammed me right as I was about to warp. I lost most of what I've been accumulating for a month (my courier packages were destroyed) and he popped my pod (should have ejected), with 3 +4 implants installed.
So it's with a bit of humility and perhaps jealously that I read your experience, with your incredible luck concerning the complete noob pirates you encountered, and a word of advice and warning: don't ever get lazy, complacent, and always know where you're going and if 10 extra jumps will ensure not losing your shirt. And always know your luck will run out one day, and be prepared for it.
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.09.19 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lao Xin There is a lot of good advice here, but my experience as a trader was a lot less lucky recently.
After getting bored of grinding faction with Fed Navy, I decided to start doing more courier routes. I mostly ignored lowsec because I was popped before doing a storyline mission in eggelhende. I was oblivious to certain things, such as:
-30 second immunity after undock if you don't do any action -using cloaking devices to help your aligning from a station or stargate -eying local like a hawk, observing "scouts" (later I realized I was scouted on the ation gate) -creating undock bookmarks, which are bookmarks you setup 1-2,000km out from a station where you haven't changed your direction, helping alignment to near 0 (undocking now shoots you out in a cone so it's not perfect each time). -simply, knowing where to go and not, putting some systems on avoidance
So after a while of doing high sec courier contracts and intermingling them with some trade and the occasional courier mission, I became more brave and confident. I found lowsec areas that don't have much piracy, and began doing those. And then one day I took out almost all of my money in collateral (106m ISK), went through Rancer.. and on the other side was a Broadsword. I didn't have a cloaking device or propulsion. My warp stabilizers were useless to a heavy int. To be honest if I had known I was going through Rancer, I would have fitted properly.. but the route I thought would be going back and not short-cutting through. So I waited for someone to hopefully warp out before me, and sure enough they did and the broadsword tried to scram them. I then aligned to the best celestial, but he must have saw me, dropped target (or failed to scram) and scrammed me right as I was about to warp. I lost most of what I've been accumulating for a month (my courier packages were destroyed) and he popped my pod (should have ejected), with 3 +4 implants installed.
So it's with a bit of humility and perhaps jealously that I read your experience, with your incredible luck concerning the complete noob pirates you encountered, and a word of advice and warning: don't ever get lazy, complacent, and always know where you're going and if 10 extra jumps will ensure not losing your shirt. And always know your luck will run out one day, and be prepared for it.
I certainly hope my luck doesn't run out very soon. But then again I don't visit low-sec very often. I haven't been back since my run into Derelik Region to set up those sell orders. In full honesty, until my sell orders go through and I have some spare orders I don't intend to go back, either!
The way I see it, if they don't want to buy my goods in Derelik then I'll find somewhere else. ^.^
I do admit though, the thought of losing my Bestower with an expensive payload brings horror to me.
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Aveneer Walker
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Posted - 2009.09.19 21:59:00 -
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Always keep your ship insured, if luck does run out, then you can replace your ship at least, try to build up a bit of cash reserve, so you can replace the basic equipment you need to fit whatever your flying, or keep a spare set of mods on hand for your replacement ship. because in Eve, expect to loose your ship. That way when it happens, no big deal, replace, fit it and move forward. good luck trader Pay Tiger.
p.s might want to work on training some of your trades skills, to up that number of orders for your future quests.
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Lena Valente
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Posted - 2009.09.20 13:54:00 -
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Quote: Yeah, see my delivery to Berta isn't turning out so great at the moment. So far none of the 140,000 foxfire rockets I delivered have sold.
rockets will not sell, rockets are not being used
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Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.09.20 15:18:00 -
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Your adventures in my opinion should also be given some exposure to the newer players that dont visit here. You realy are doing it right Tiger. Your having a go at somethign new, learning from experiences and asking questions.
Personally, I am happy to give you advice thats required. Even some of the pirates in here I imagine would do the same.
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Ospie
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2009.09.20 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lightningshade Even some of the pirates in here I imagine would do the same.
I've thrown him some advice on his blog, I'm not always a horrible person :P
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.09.21 07:22:00 -
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Oh yes, I'm getting a bunch of good advice from the forum, EVEmail and my blog. ^^ I really appreciate it everyone. I take all advice into consideration!
I was going to cancel some of my orders in Berta and try setting up sell orders in another area later today, but then I looked at the calendar and realized that today (the 21st) is my birthday. :D So I think I'll probably waste half the day running around being silly.
I think I shall have pizza. My EVE blog |
Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.09.21 16:54:00 -
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Well, like I mentioned this morning: today is my birthday so I'm rather busy. I logged onto EVE to check on my skills (Good thing I did too, because I only had 48 minutes left in training Retail to 4 and then the queue was empty!) and I also checked my EVEmail.
Some friendly folks who have seen my blog and my posts here sent me some really great and useful advice. (Thanks guys!) And I've had a small surge of sales in Berta in the last 24 hours. I now have 15 of 45 orders available and when Retail finishes training in 40 minutes I'll have 23/53 available orders. ^^
I definetly have a better idea as to what sort of items I should be trying to sell now. (And less items per order) My EVE blog |
DONJUAN v
Tarnak inc. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.09.21 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Clone757 You canÆt cloak if there is something 5km away from you. I canÆt believe am hooked on this storyà
I AM TOO
i guess we just enjoy seeing ppl have fun with the little things in eve My father (RIP) was kash flow (now owned by me) and he was no pvp man at 57 years old his kicks was to bring us supplies where we needed . in his cloak bustard (crane could not fit cov ops cloak yet) he would bring us tech 2 drones and ammo even intys where we were figthing . so we could focus on killing ppl
as long as you enjoy. thats why you pay for the game
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Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.09.25 18:44:00 -
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Pay Tiger - keep poasting
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Pay Tiger
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Posted - 2009.09.26 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lightningshade Pay Tiger - keep poasting
=^.^=
Well, lately there's really been nothing too exciting going on. Been working on some learning skills and waiting for more trades to go through. I have 27 free orders so in theory I could make a supply run to a mission area. I visited one of the mission hubs in Lonetrek but the prices were pretty comparable there to The Forge so the profit margins for setting up sell orders would be slim indeed.
I'm still hunting for a busy mission/PVP hub. ^.^ It's not very easy. My EVE blog |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.27 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Darek Castigatus on 27/09/2009 12:40:59 could try Motsu in caldari space - major lvl 4 mission hub for caldari navy amongst others and its only a few jumps from a fairly busy exit to the Tama/OMS lowsec area (exit system is called Nourvukaiken). Only problem with it is you will probably have some fairly hefty competition because its so well known.
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