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Dreez
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:51:00 -
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Why the unbalance CCP ?
Making isk using mining is like fishing in a bucket full of fish, and you can do it solo with ease, earning millions each hour. A char with good skills in mining, using a HULK and stripping ark will in 1 day earn more then enough isk to buy for example 1x60dGTC. All he needs is a dual account to maybe tank and he's all setup without risk.
Just find a good belt, place a good tank and start digging into those Ark-roids and cash in. He doesn't even need good refining-skills, all he needs is someone he knows who has excellent standings and skills to get a almost 100% refine.
Imagine being 2 friends with dual accounts. Both brings a HULK each with t2 Ark crystals, one bring a tank and the other hauls. They will make far more isk then 2 friends with PvP-skills.
Making isk as a pvp-char is all about luck. Luck that you get good NPC-spawns, luck that a faction-spawn hits one of the belts. Not to mention that you have to jump around belts like a frikkin bunny on crack. And let's not forget to mention the dangers of making isk as a miner vs a PvPer. Miners put a tank in the belt and sit for a day drinking coco while the isk is flowing in, no risk.
The pvper, if they chose to do complexing, first have to get lucky enough for a good drop, and also hope not to get ripped apart from the NPC's in the complex. And don't even think about going into wormholes with 2 chars, sleepers will kill you, mutilate your corpse, burn it and **** on the ashes.
We need an equally secure way of making isk as the carebears. If they can scan a belt (which are everywhere) for Arknor, find some good roids and sit in safety while pulling in isk, then pvp'er should at least be able to run complexes AND be assured payout. I've heard players losing ships in complexes and ending up with loot barely enough to make up for the loss in value of the ship.
If 2 players can scan a system's belts, sit for a day and make hundreds of millions without ANY risk, then 2 players with pvp-skills should be able to make a good amount of isk as well, even if it involves 'some' risk compared to the carebears.
Give us an equally easy & safe way to make isk as you've given the carebears.
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grapfter
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:53:00 -
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.12 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez Why the unbalance CCP ?
Because not everything can or should be a (good) way of earning money.
Also, by the definition of PvP you're using, mining counts as well, which makes the comparison rather silly. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.09.12 14:03:00 -
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I lolled, you're obviously not very good at pvp.
CCP = Blizzard in training
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Dreez
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.09.12 14:06:00 -
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Unless you have any constructive comments, please refrain from replying at all.
www.nap-online.com
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.12 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez Unless you have any constructive comments, please refrain from replying at all.
If you don't want others to comment on your post, don't bother posting at all. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.09.12 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
Unless you have any constructive comments, please refrain from replying at all.
Wood is a much better construction material then straw. I once knew this pig who kept on insisting on building a house out of straw. He insisted a wolf would never blow it down. He was right about that one, he just never considered what a thunderstorm could do.
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Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.09.12 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
Unless you have any constructive comments, please refrain from replying at all.
lol, your problem is you suck at PVP, you think the game should change to compensate for your shortcomings. I think you should strive to be a better player.
One day you might be as good at pvp as those miners are at mining, you'll realise there is money to be made in PVP you just have to be smart about it like anything else.
CCP = Blizzard in training
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.09.12 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
HULK HULK
"Hulk" is not an acronym and shouldn't be in all caps.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.12 14:56:00 -
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lower 0.0 mining income, problem solved. Increase low sec mining income instead (not to the same level ofcourse).
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XXSketchxx
Gallente Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.12 15:03:00 -
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Somal Thunder
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.09.12 15:04:00 -
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If PVP were profitable for everyone nobody would mine and prices of things would go way up. Faction stuff would go down in price but t1 and t2 items would go up in price, so yeah, you could 'rebalance' things and trade your raven in for a machariel, or you could keep it the way things are and not cause a 10000% inflation.
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xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION. HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.09.12 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996 on 12/09/2009 15:10:01 COMPLETLEY agree with dreez on this 1, i mine with my retreiver and i make LOTS more than i do with battling.
with battling u dont make much from the booty BECAUSE of al the scienteists inventors in game(they make the moduels cheap, but ships r still expensive wtf ?). also ships is 2 expense, so what i sugest is that u make ships 1/2 price, and the moduels 2/1 price, this mean, if u r a battler, its easy 2 make isk so maybe its as good mining if u kno what i mean ? also maybe, u get bounty from kiling guristas + serpentis ppl, y not bounty wit rl ppl? 4 example u kil a ship worths 100m hull and u get 50m as bounty? that would fix problem no ?
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.09.12 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez without risk.
well, THERE'S your problem
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.09.12 15:56:00 -
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Posting to confirm OP has NO idea how much miners earn. 1 maxxed out BOOSTED hulk earns a MAXIMUM of 35m/hr and that's not counting hauling, and moving between dying roids.
So take your pvp toon to empire and do missions, if you don't out earn a boosted hulk doing level 4s YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
Oh, and since you say you can "just scan down an ark site" then why don't you just scan down a plex with billions in loot?
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namami
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Posted - 2009.09.12 15:59:00 -
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your description is pve ....
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:01:00 -
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Cool, where can i mine Ark with NO RISK?
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Rheed
Deep Penetration Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
Making isk as a pvp-char is all about luck. Luck that you get good NPC-spawns, luck that a faction-spawn hits one of the belts. Not to mention that you have to jump around belts like a frikkin bunny on crack. And let's not forget to mention the dangers of making isk as a miner vs a PvPer. Miners put a tank in the belt and sit for a day drinking coco while the isk is flowing in, no risk.
The pvper, if they chose to do complexing, first have to get lucky enough for a good drop, and also hope not to get ripped apart from the NPC's in the complex. And don't even think about going into wormholes with 2 chars, sleepers will kill you, mutilate your corpse, burn it and **** on the ashes.
We need an equally secure way of making isk as the carebears. If they can scan a belt (which are everywhere) for Arknor, find some good roids and sit in safety while pulling in isk, then pvp'er should at least be able to run complexes AND be assured payout. I've heard players losing ships in complexes and ending up with loot barely enough to make up for the loss in value of the ship.
If 2 players can scan a system's belts, sit for a day and make hundreds of millions without ANY risk, then 2 players with pvp-skills should be able to make a good amount of isk as well, even if it involves 'some' risk compared to the carebears.
Give us an equally easy & safe way to make isk as you've given the carebears.
You are confusing PvP with PvE. PvP is player vs. player, not player vs. environment. Plexes are PvE, Ratting is PvE. Both of which are carebear activities. ----------------------------------- Look at me! I'm on the INTERNET!!! |
Tokp Lotas
the united
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rheed
You are confusing PvP with PvE. PvP is player vs. player, not player vs. environment. Plexes are PvE, Ratting is PvE. Both of which are carebear activities.
the one that isn't a carebear^^ posting here Staff Member of www.eve-online.es |
Alayna Xaviere
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rheed
You are confusing PvP with PvE. PvP is player vs. player, not player vs. environment. Plexes are PvE, Ratting is PvE. Both of which are carebear activities.
this.
And Dreez, you are just lazy to learn mining skillz :p
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Drakan290
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:09:00 -
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10/10
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Wotlankor
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
Making isk as a pvp-char is all about luck.
Yes, you need to locate a nice target they dont always come along.
Originally by: Dreez
Luck that you get good NPC-spawns, luck that a faction-spawn hits one of the belts. Not to mention that you have to jump around belts like a frikkin bunny on crack. And let's not forget to mention the dangers of making isk as a miner vs a PvPer.
And there is where you lost me. What does NPC spawns have to do with PvP ?
Originally by: Dreez
The pvper, if they chose to do complexing, first have to get lucky enough for a good drop, and also hope not to get ripped apart from the NPC's in the complex. And don't even think about going into wormholes with 2 chars, sleepers will kill you, mutilate your corpse, burn it and **** on the ashes.
Again the targets will have all the agro and you kill them (PvP), whats up with the killing NPC stuff? Yes WH can be a problem as sleepers will agro you as well.
Originally by: Dreez
We need an equally secure way of making isk as the carebears.
You are a carebear
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Deva Station
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
you can do it solo with ease, earning many millions each hour.
there all fixed.
No one can make you pvp, if you don't like it, don't do it, and if you are mining Ark, you are in 0.0 which is pvp land, so it's not risk free. You are subject to get pwned by fast moving gangs, who will beat you to the station and bubble it, or scan you down if you log. Nothing is risk free unless you are an empire hugging mission runner. Then the loot sucks. So choose your risk level, skill set, and profit accordingly.
Can ya QQ any more?
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Alia Xi
The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:13:00 -
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Mining causes your head to explode, your legs to fall off and your arms to run away. Do you really want to sit there for hours on end doing nothing but staring at a bunch of roids? To make money try ransoming things, rather than killing everything in sight. You'd be surprised how much you can make with ransoms if you've got a decent corp rep for it and actually honour them.
If they pay you get richer. If they don't you blow their ship up anyway. If you don't want to ransom just pop them. It's a winwin - unless you get ganked during the ransoming part
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Laina Delapore
Caldari Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
Unless you have any constructive comments, please refrain from replying at all.
It's an Hulk. Not a.
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Rumba Purring
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:23:00 -
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Here's another line of profession that fits your description.
Originally by: Dreez
Why the unbalance CCP ?
Making isk running high sec L4 mission is like fishing in a bucket full of fish, and you can do it solo with ease, earning millions each hour. A char with good skills in missiles and shield tank, using a Golem and stripping missions will in 1 day earn more then enough isk to buy for example 1x60dGTC. All he needs is a dual account to maybe salvage and he's all setup without risk.
Just find a good agent, activate shield booster and start digging into those NPC rats and cash in. He doesn't even need good scrap metal processing-skills, all he needs is someone he knows who has excellent standings and skills to get a almost 100% recycling.
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Newsflash
Gallente NorthUnited
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:23:00 -
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i think op should stop *****ing and just adapt and train his current or new charactr for mining if he thinks its so much money.. then there is only the problem of getting that space with arkonor...
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cartmanjr
Amarr Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
Not to mention that you have to jump around belts like a frikkin bunny on crack.
Lol this describes it so clearly, <3 that comment.
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TII Noob
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:41:00 -
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please untick you're corp from showing on forum
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2009.09.12 16:50:00 -
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PVP ... use that to keep other miners off your belts, away from your rats, away from your agents, away from your worm hole.
If you want nothing but PVP, go buy a GTC and get some ISK. There, now you got ISK with ZERO risk and can pvp all ya want.
Mmm, meta kool-aide.
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