I just tested SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK. It "works" *laughs hysterically at the idea this is working*.

Oh, now, we ALSO have SHIFT-DOUBLE CLICK?!

CLICK, SHIFT-CLICK, SHIFT-DOUBLE CLICK, RIGHT CLICK, SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK.

Let me guess, SHIFT-RIGHT DOUBLE CLICK is next?!

functionality is not the same with this new ui as with the old.

4 corp hangers at a pos.

old system, right clcik 4 times all 28 hangers in 4 stacked windows. change to corp division 1, click each corp hanger wondow and you can see whats in all 4 hangers corp division 1 with 4 click, rinse repeat with all 4 corp hangers, division after division

new system shift click 28 times. 28 windows, now try to search through 4 corp hanger division 1's... go on, try.
now try division 2, 3 4, 5, 6 and 7...

oh it gets better, warp away( all 28 windows become your cargo window and dont auto close), come back.... do it again and again and again... i bet you jsut give up as its a nightmare

why have you removed right click menus that actually have a function ccp?

It could be worse. We could have to press ALT with the neck, power button on computer + Shift reset and extract an USB key. Like those ancient Amiga easter eggs.

I might be reading this wrong, but I don't see why you aren't using the tree view for this - it gives you the same functionality as before, but in one window (or 4 if you prefer one for each hangar) and you just 1 click to each division.

Which I assume you mean to be that you do not want to use the tree view at all on basic principle? The team are doing everything they can to make this of minimal impact to you, but the tree view itself is not going anywhere so I hope that you can come to terms with it in some way.

It could be worse. We could have to press ALT with the neck, power button on computer + Shift reset and extract an USB key. Like those ancient Amiga easter eggs.

The default behaviour is now to use the tree view. For people that are not a fan of this, shift click is implemented to enable them to use separate windows. If you like I will ask the team if mapping these as shortcuts that individual users can customise is an option? (Note, even if this is possible, it will not change the default behaviour)

Which I assume you mean to be that you do not want to use the tree view at all on basic principle? The team are doing everything they can to make this of minimal impact to you, but the tree view itself is not going anywhere so I hope that you can come to terms with it in some way.

There's a reason why MANY softwares have moved the hell away from tree views and implemented tabs.

It's called basic, simple sense.

Writings are horizontal (western ones). That is, they take lots of horizontal real estate.

Tree views make already large windows unnecessarily larger by putting horizontal information to the left of the window.
Tabs make large windows functional because they take small vertical real estate and zero horizontal real estate.

The very fact you are going against all the accepted modern UI designs and find it good enough to "not going anywhere" is worrysome.

You are implementing outdated and unpractical concepts. The day the UI is bug fee, it will still be conceptually wrong.

See, many times I wanted to send CCP my curriculum but with decision makers taking this kind of directions and then sticking to them, I would feel embarassed. I would probably be bound to some "you won't publicly state your superiors borked grand time" legal agreement as well so I'd be put together the same people who can think these kinds of designs.

No way.

Which I assume you mean to be that you do not want to use the tree view at all on basic principle? The team are doing everything they can to make this of minimal impact to you, but the tree view itself is not going anywhere so I hope that you can come to terms with it in some way.

I feel that mistakes have already been admitted, and I don't feel that anyone is really showing ego about this.

I'd like to hear that from CCP Hilmar.

Except Shift-clicking on a pos array structure, either visually or from the overview does nothing. Shift-double-click causes you to approach the array only. Shift-click (and shift-dbl-click) from the tree on an array either expands or collapses the divisions.

Only way I have found to open multiple inventory windows is to shift-double-click cans I carry in my cargobay. So I get an inventory window for my ship caargo, and then one for each can. Then I have to keep the damn tree active (or expand it out each time) on each one so i can change divisions as I move minz, etc around between arrays to run jobs. I generally have a minimum of 4 windows open at one time when sitting at my tower doing work.

This UI has made working at a pos an absolute PITA.

I might be reading this wrong, but I don't see why you aren't using the tree view for this - it gives you the same functionality as before, but in one window (or 4 if you prefer one for each hangar) and you just 1 click to each division.

Well, if the tree view is "not going anywhere", I can tell you that I will. One subscription cancelled.

Are you guys going to consider a slimmed down version of the window without needless things like the item count/price, double menu rows at the top, etc etc?

I am fine with it being an 'in-space only thing' but with all the nice changes you folks have done I still find it really annoying as a PvPer that I can't easily access my drugs or watch my ammo/cap booster usage without having to be distracted by a bunch of text and interface that doesn't apply to the task at hand.

It can be optional, it can be limited to cargo hold or in space, whatever makes it easiest for you but PLEASE consider a minimalistic approach for those that need or want it.

I might be reading this wrong, but I don't see why you aren't using the tree view for this - it gives you the same functionality as before, but in one window (or 4 if you prefer one for each hangar) and you just 1 click to each division.

Well, if the tree view is "not going anywhere", I can tell you that I will. One subscription cancelled.

16 June 2012 - 1:07 pm (in 8 days), thats when my 3 indy accounts run out, may they rest in peace.

I don't know why I've posted here as I've already unsubbed. I'm getting seriously stresed at a computer game, and i didn't even get a little annoyed with Incarna (3+yrs of playing ..now what game will I play.... sigh)

1 - They don't want to read that you're unsubbing, because remember, it's what you do, not what you say, that they will be watching.
2 - So all you're doing is flooding forum with rants. Stop. And can I haz your stuff?
3, Scaugh: Why, DUST 514, of course!! ;) (In all seriousness, what about Rift? Or Secret World?)

And in general....good Lord, people, how much crap do you own!?!? More tree entries than you have screen height? I gotta see this, please post a screen shot.

its a shame though, industry was something taht i enjoyed doing as the background part of my game. i just can not face trying to shift click my way though 100's of hanger divisions

At least they are communicating now, I think there's still hope they'll come to realize the tree is not that great for everything. It certainly doesn't make sense to have it as a part of every UI element for reason outlined.

As several people have said, tabbed view is a much better solution for corp hangars.

Tree view takes a lot of vertical and horizontal space (assuming you actually want to read the labels). This is a huge problem especially if you want to keep the window small in size.

Having to scroll though the tree to find something instead of being able to always see the tab you are looking for at the top is not the same functionality. It requires more work from the user and is a bad design. There is a reason all modern web browsers use tabs and not trees. It is easier to see what you have open and get to it without more work.