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Autobot Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:00:00 - [1] I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. But CCP allowed the mechanics of the worm hole, they had to of known we'd go there... Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. We want to spend less on POS fuel, build the next level of POS related items! So give it up ccp for self sufficent worm holes... Rally here to voice your opinion! Regards, Autobot
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:06:00 - [2] Let's not talk about this. Cause its a dumb idea. _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:10:00 - [3] WTH. Its not even friday, whats with all the idiot threads on Whs today?
Rellik B00n Lethal Death Squad	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:11:00 - [4] 0/10 **** off + LDS @ Bclnc
Autobot Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:11:00 - [5] Hey look, two trolls for the price of one.
VoiceInTheDesert Inroads	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:13:00 - [6] This is a bad idea and you should feel bad about posting a thread on it.
Fish Hunter	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:24:00 - [7] hell no! Absolutely no reason for this!
Horchan Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:35:00 - [8] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert This is a bad idea and you should feel bad about posting a thread on it. --- DesuSigs
Amitious Turkey Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:35:00 - [9] No. BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST! Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 GO NAVIGATOR <3
Gautan Virdamot Nebula Rasa Vanguard	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:39:00 - [10] Let's talk about you going to school and getting that chav out of your system.

Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp.	Posted - 2009.09.02 01:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Autobot Amarr we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No, we don't. /Ben
Ninja Troll	Posted - 2009.09.02 02:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Amitious Turkey No. This.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.02 02:15:00 - [13] Originally by: XXSketchxx Let's not talk about this. Cause its a dumb idea. Thats pretty much it tbh.
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.09.02 02:45:00 - [14] The first time someone calls you a horse you punch him on the nose, the second time someone calls you a horse you call him a jerk but the third time someone calls you a horse, well then perhaps it's time to go shopping for a saddle.
Thomas Devyn	Posted - 2009.09.02 02:56:00 - [15] Sovereignty?... no. Semi stable wormholes that can be predicted when they open and where?... yes id take that.
PI Staker	Posted - 2009.09.02 03:01:00 - [16] i'd be for this idea if the sleepers spawned dreads and other cap ships and popped the towers at random. wormhole space belongs to the sleepers, leave it as such
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2009.09.02 03:04:00 - [17] Sov would be a terrible idea, it would just make it a bastardized version of 0.0 One thing I think would be worthwhile is something akin to sov that basically allows the corp/alliance with the most towers in the system to stabilize an outgoing wormhole (not choose its destination, just lock it in place once its going somewhere you like) -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2009.09.02 03:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Haradgrim ... stabilize an outgoing wormhole ... That sounds a bit much, but maybe knowing more about it, like what time it will collapse, how much mass is left. Worm hole analyzer array The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Autobot Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.02 08:50:00 - [19] So far everyone has said no or kind of no... But no one has said why they don't agree... First off, lets see some benefits of WH Sov. Moon mining and T2 production becomes possible. This reduces the cost of T2 things on the market and allows someone other than the big alliances to compete, God for bid that... More over player's that live in worm holes can more effectively work in their space and fend off intruders of such claimed space a little easier. Especially if a Sov. LvL were allowed to reach the Const. Sov. equivalent, where player owned stations could be built. So why does having this ability inside a worm hole have any bearing negitively on any of you players in low or high sec? I say it doesn't. Regards, Autobot
Another Liberthas Caldari Ha'Menudim SCUM.	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Autobot Amarr So far everyone has said no or kind of no... But no one has said why they don't agree... First off, lets see some benefits of WH Sov. Moon mining and T2 production becomes possible. This reduces the cost of T2 things on the market and allows someone other than the big alliances to compete, God for bid that... More over player's that live in worm holes can more effectively work in their space and fend off intruders of such claimed space a little easier. Especially if a Sov. LvL were allowed to reach the Const. Sov. equivalent, where player owned stations could be built. So why does having this ability inside a worm hole have any bearing negitively on any of you players in low or high sec? I say it doesn't. Regards, Autobot Still no.

Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 02/09/2009 09:07:31 Originally by: Autobot Amarr So far everyone has said no or kind of no... But no one has said why they don't agree... First off, lets see some benefits of WH Sov. Moon mining and T2 production becomes possible. This reduces the cost of T2 things on the market and allows someone other than the big alliances to compete, God for bid that... More over player's that live in worm holes can more effectively work in their space and fend off intruders of such claimed space a little easier. Especially if a Sov. LvL were allowed to reach the Const. Sov. equivalent, where player owned stations could be built. So why does having this ability inside a worm hole have any bearing negitively on any of you players in low or high sec? I say it doesn't. Regards, Autobot We have that crap in 0.0 today. The purpose of wormholes was to provide something new to the game and give explorers things to constantly explore. There are 0 reasons to make wormhole space more like 0.0. The T2 issue can be solved by changing how moon mining works and altering alchemy. Such ideas have been discussed at length in other forums. No need to bring wormholes into this. With sovereignty fending of intruders becomes too easy, since cynos aren't allowed. The defender has the advantage and the system becomes a deathtrap for any attacker. If you allow cynos, you just made it normal 0.0. Either way it is a bad thing. Wormholes should never become like sovereignty space. It is different by design and should remain that way. If you want more sovereignty space or want to allow small operators to claim space, CCP can add more 0.0 and alter how sovereignty works. There is no need to ruin wormholes for the people that do love them as they are.
Dasola	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:17:00 - [22] If wh would be able to be claimed, then it would become defacto new 0.0 with massive allainces grabbing all they can get. And it still would not allow moon mining in wh, since it has being sayd by devs that theres nothing there to mine. And why would wh system be selfsufficient? Explain this please. As far as i know even 0.0 stations need certain fuel ingridients that are only available originally from NPC merchants. So you cannot just go and isolate yourself. Personally, i would like to see for example tech 3 rare drop bpc for WH stabilicer that eats lots of fuel but allows stabilisation of single wh. Maybe limited one per system. No controll where that wh leads, but once you find nice one, you could stabilise it so it would become semi-permanent as long as theres fuel and some idiot dosent fly too much mass throw it to make collapse happen.
Nihn Lemai	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:20:00 - [23] It sounds like you want to turn WH into regular 0.0 with unpredictable jump gates? Which in turn sounds like a termination of the very core idea that is WH.
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:22:00 - [24] Originally by: XXSketchxx Let's not talk about this. Cause its a dumb idea. OP is a lucky person. He got a clear anwser in the first reply.

CCP Abathur	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No.

Frenzei Gallente Fortuna inc. Leather Rose Syndicate	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:35:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Abathur No. Pwned, Hard.
Nihn Lemai	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:36:00 - [27] Thats about as close to a /thread we can get...
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:41:00 - [28] How about outposts (as in, "stations") without sov ? _ Info about our corp \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:44:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. seriously wh's are something different. wth would you try and take something new and different and convert it into old standard content. ------------------------------ Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Denaris Aschanna	Posted - 2009.09.02 09:57:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Eeep... runs to check tower

fuze Gallente Quam Singulari Cult of War	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:05:00 - [31] Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Bring it.
Ned Black	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:14:00 - [32] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Please oh PLEASE make it so that the sleepers start hunting players and player installation in the WHs. It would be sweet if you would in fact need to man guns in order to defend your poses... hell there might even become possible to practice some kind of good neighbour policy, that multiple corps/alliances share the same hole for the sake of security. You help our pos in case of a sleeper attack and we will do the same for you. Instead of like now where the only danger is from other players...
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. But CCP allowed the mechanics of the worm hole, they had to of known we'd go there... Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. We want to spend less on POS fuel, build the next level of POS related items! So give it up ccp for self sufficent worm holes... Rally here to voice your opinion! Regards, Autobot What's the point of sovereignty in wormholes? Unless you want to build an oupost there, what benefit would it bring you?
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:25:00 - [34] i think there is just a shortage of new 00 space for em to build in with the nap fest
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:27:00 - [35] Originally by: HeliosGal i think there is just a shortage of new 00 space for em to build in with the nap fest Solution: remove napping… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:29:00 - [36] or generate more high sec to 00 wormholes bring he carebears and pvpers to the industrial backbone of the large alliances This in turn would cause more interaction and we know areas taht arent considered "safe" to alliance members cause members to start shfiting around, this affects leaership causes pvp and then causes ltos of fun changes
Synex Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:32:00 - [37] Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. But CCP allowed the mechanics of the worm hole, they had to of known we'd go there... Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. We want to spend less on POS fuel, build the next level of POS related items! So give it up ccp for self sufficent worm holes... Rally here to voice your opinion! Regards, Autobot You're the reason the Decepticons should win. Synex Oursulaert Industries
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:38:00 - [38] next patch should solve some sov issues
CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:47:00 - [39] ... maybe just correcting the mistake instead.. meaning removing all pos's from wormholes and disallowing angoring in wh space.. yer i think that would work a LOT better for every one... ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Ned Black Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. hahaha only if the sleepers suddenly jump in a cap fleet and rip you i new hole :P else it is just free isk at the pos ;) Please oh PLEASE make it so that the sleepers start hunting players and player installation in the WHs. It would be sweet if you would in fact need to man guns in order to defend your poses... hell there might even become possible to practice some kind of good neighbour policy, that multiple corps/alliances share the same hole for the sake of security. You help our pos in case of a sleeper attack and we will do the same for you. Instead of like now where the only danger is from other players... ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded

jst tstng	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:53:00 - [41] Quote: Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Now that would be improved NPC AI. >hey guys our wormhole pos is under attack.... By sleepers
Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Construction	Posted - 2009.09.02 11:21:00 - [42] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Interesting. As a WH guy with POS in the WH, can I expect more stuff to come knocking at my door then other players?
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.09.02 11:59:00 - [43] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Thats smell like a suprise from CCP to make our lifes miserable. Hopefully we will get good isk if we prevail .
Kaalen Caldari Shards of Apathy	Posted - 2009.09.02 12:02:00 - [44] If they were going to do that they may aswell not have bothered with wormholes at all and just added new 0.0 systems. No.
hired goon	Posted - 2009.09.02 12:40:00 - [45] -THIS THREAD IS OVER- It ended on page one. Everyone go home. If you want sovreignty, go to nullsec. You cannot have sov without alliance dominions and territory disputes. One begets the other. You have either or, not both. -omg-
B1FF	Posted - 2009.09.02 12:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Autobot Amarr So far everyone has said no or kind of no... But no one has said why they don't agree... First off, lets see some benefits of WH Sov. Moon mining and T2 production becomes possible. This reduces the cost of T2 things on the market and allows someone other than the big alliances to compete, God for bid that... More over player's that live in worm holes can more effectively work in their space and fend off intruders of such claimed space a little easier. Especially if a Sov. LvL were allowed to reach the Const. Sov. equivalent, where player owned stations could be built. So why does having this ability inside a worm hole have any bearing negitively on any of you players in low or high sec? I say it doesn't. Regards, Autobot It's broken. Due to WH mechanics it's so lopsidded toward the defenders. You'd have to spend literally weeks building up an attack force. It would be 0.0 but unable to be fought over. You're asking for a personal playground. Go play a single player game.
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.09.02 12:44:00 - [47] more 00 systems and more connections between them and high sec is another option
Attrezzo Pox Amarr The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.09.02 12:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Frenzei Originally by: CCP Abathur No. Pwned, Hard. OHHHH Incineration! You got buuuuurrrrrnnneeed! ------------------------- PoX IS Eve!!! BOOM!!!
Kendar Gallente Disney inc	Posted - 2009.09.02 12:46:00 - [49] im more interested in knowing if the sleepers are coming to known space to explore
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.09.02 12:52:00 - [50] sleepers in known space would be good they already are cosmos sites lol

Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.09.02 12:56:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. <3
Anslo The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.09.02 13:10:00 - [52] Originally by: hired goon -THIS THREAD IS OVER- It ended on page one. Everyone go home. If you want sovreignty, go to nullsec. You cannot have sov without alliance dominions and territory disputes. One begets the other. You have either or, not both. f*ck you :)
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 13:17:00 - [53] Seriously its over. let it die.
Myra2007 Shafrak Industries	Posted - 2009.09.02 13:46:00 - [54] Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Originally by: CCP Greyscale It was a design decision early on in the process that we didn't want people to "settle" in w-space at this stage. Source What gives? -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.02 13:58:00 - [55] Originally by: Myra2007 Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Originally by: CCP Greyscale It was a design decision early on in the process that we didn't want people to "settle" in w-space at this stage. Source What gives? Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" — when you get an outpost in there, we can start talking. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Myra2007 Shafrak Industries	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:01:00 - [56] Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" ù when you get an outpost in there, we can start talking. If you notice the context of the linked thread it is indeed about pos in wormholes not outposts which iirc cannot be build over there. Maybe thats what he meant. But it still strikes me as odd. -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Myra2007 Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" ù when you get an outpost in there, we can start talking. If you notice the context of the linked thread it is indeed about pos in wormholes not outposts which iirc cannot be build over there. Maybe thats what he meant. But it still strikes me as odd. Same. I was a bit "What? CCP Changing their tune to a game mechanics intended direction? I've seen this before " _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:

CCP Abathur	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:16:00 - [58] Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This.

JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:43:00 - [59] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This. Many corps do much more than just plunk a POS.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:49:00 - [60] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This. Many corps do much more than just plunk a POS. They plunk two.

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:51:00 - [61] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This. Then you might as well give the W-space moons minerals, since you don't seem to be against POS's being anchored any more. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.02 14:58:00 - [62] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Bookmarking this. Thank you so much for posting it. It will come in handy when dealing with these stupid threads. _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 15:03:00 - [63] Edited by: aka Ishur on 02/09/2009 15:03:11 Originally by: XXSketchxx Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Bookmarking this. Thank you so much for posting it. It will come in handy when dealing with these stupid threads. Amen
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.02 15:04:00 - [64] Edited by: XXSketchxx on 02/09/2009 15:04:07 Originally by: Blane Xero Then you might as well give the W-space moons minerals, since you don't seem to be against POS's being anchored any more. Yes because the sole purpose of a POS is for moon mining . Or not. Try these on for size: staging, ore refining, reactions, research, reverse engineering, loot storage, safety zone... K? _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
Takon Orlani Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.09.02 15:07:00 - [65] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert This is a bad idea and you should feel bad about posting a thread on it. ROWDY WANTS YOU!!
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.02 15:40:00 - [66] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This. Then you might as well give the W-space moons minerals, since you don't seem to be against POS's being anchored any more. not before they start making rr fleets of sleeper battleships that drop no loot/salvage attack pos's.
Neriel Odershank	Posted - 2009.09.02 15:57:00 - [67] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. I love Abathur.
Gorsun Hitari	Posted - 2009.09.02 17:32:00 - [68] Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Sounds like we might see random fleets of sleeper carriers and dreads (or something worse) come out of hiding to nuke POS. I hope so, that would be great!
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:06:00 - [69] Originally by: Gorsun Hitari Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Sounds like we might see random fleets of sleeper carriers and dreads (or something worse) come out of hiding to nuke POS. I hope so, that would be great! How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Not gonna happen. For the simple reason that while the big corps will be able to fight off any sleeper attack, the small corps won't.
Aethrwolf Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:19:00 - [70] Originally by: aka Ishur Originally by: Gorsun Hitari Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Sounds like we might see random fleets of sleeper carriers and dreads (or something worse) come out of hiding to nuke POS. I hope so, that would be great! How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Not gonna happen. For the simple reason that while the big corps will be able to fight off any sleeper attack, the small corps won't. Here's an evil thought.. maybe CCP A:READY implemented something based on how long a pos is up and no one has actually tripped the timer yet? They dont HAVE to tell us everything that goes into a patch/expansion, though they do seem to do that most of the time. Hidden features can be really cool, and really annoying, too. Absolutely everything is subjective.

Efdi The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:24:00 - [71] Originally by: aka Ishur Originally by: Gorsun Hitari Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Sounds like we might see random fleets of sleeper carriers and dreads (or something worse) come out of hiding to nuke POS. I hope so, that would be great! How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Not gonna happen. For the simple reason that while the big corps will be able to fight off any sleeper attack, the small corps won't. idgi; big corps can do things small corps can't, how is this different from the rest of eve?
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:25:00 - [72] 1) Six months of a timer ticking and nothing happened yet? 2) Still I would be staggered if it ever happened for the reason I mentioned above.
Aethrwolf Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:27:00 - [73] Just a thought.. not that I really think its there. Honestly if CCP is gonna do anything, I think it would be more like the devs logging in as Sleepers and attacking a POS themselves. Absolutely everything is subjective.
aka Ishur Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2009.09.02 18:33:00 - [74] Now that would be cool. No super-weaps or anything, just a ccp gang of sleeper ships.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2009.09.02 20:24:00 - [75] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. /Thread -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Blusick	Posted - 2009.09.02 21:54:00 - [76] I love that hardly any of the responses in this topic had nothing more behind them than an opinionated NO. Rational? WTF is that, its secondary in a lot of cases. I did note some folks that did give rational opinions. My opinion, unless someone Fixes! the POS so that internal theft or theivery can be fixed properly, stations would be a welcome sight. Keeping everyones possessions seperate from each other and not hearing the whining that comes every week that something is missing. SO fix the POS Corp Hanger, Ship Maintenance array, or the Ship Assembly arrays to allow for inventory control per player not just per tab. Even in 0.0 null sec space this is a pain. A 2nd thought. WHY NOT i cant even imagine what it would take in brute work to accomplish this herculen task. The ore alone to get into the hole boggles the mind, Logistically speaking. 3rdly Perhaps a POS thats acts more like a station but is as vulnerable as a pos. Do i smell more skills to have a Tech 2 POS. Come on a Flat no? lets try to help manage pos life better =)for all. . I would be inclined to believe this is why folks want stations in WH space and not to have a Brick to shoot at.
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.09.02 21:58:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This. .... I think I love you (in the not gay way)
Blusick	Posted - 2009.09.02 22:19:00 - [78] just to my point last post. " I love ya" who? the CCP dev ? Autobot Amarr? who? what? opinion why you love who you love. It guess i prefer more than one sentence repsonses since iam not paying 0.15 cents a word i feel i can articulate a response. I am sure it helps CCP to get real opinions and not just the standard YARRRRRRRRRRrrrrr.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.09.03 01:08:00 - [79] I think it would be very cool if sleepers started following people back out of wormhole systems. Though I would not like losing a ship to it, it could be rather exciting that day when I undock and discover the station is under attack because some noob thought he could attack a sleeper site, and then after escaping runs back to k-space and tries to dock. And it would be comical to see someone in a Domi venting plasma at the docking ring shouting "RUN!" in local whilst very large red crosses start appearing in the overview. Even the noobs and carebears would love that.
Taedrin Gallente The Space Bar South The Compass	Posted - 2009.09.03 01:26:00 - [80] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer I think it would be very cool if sleepers started following people back out of wormhole systems. Though I would not like losing a ship to it, it could be rather exciting that day when I undock and discover the station is under attack because some noob thought he could attack a sleeper site, and then after escaping runs back to k-space and tries to dock. And it would be comical to see someone in a Domi venting plasma at the docking ring shouting "RUN!" in local whilst very large red crosses start appearing in the overview. Even the noobs and carebears would love that. I can imagine it now - "EVERYONE RUN, SLEEPER TRAIN TO 4-4!"

Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 01:42:00 - [81] Actually, most who permanently populate ws... like my main and friends since day one in a class five... couldn't care less about sov. Just remove the sov requirements from outposts n such, give some player control over static wormholes, and let us mine moons. At that point the big alliance guys who don't want us to have our own 'private dyspro' moons and are scared to death of what ws is going to become will be the only ones who think 'colonizing' ws is bad. Its time the big alliances got some competition from folks who don't have/want thousands of whining pownage turds as members.
Verlaine Glariant	Posted - 2009.09.03 02:43:00 - [82] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Tippia Plunking down a POS isn't exactly "settling" This. Many corps do much more than just plunk a POS. They plunk two. or three. To the OP: pwnd. badly
aetherguy881 Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.03 03:06:00 - [83] Originally by: CCP Abathur Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. Win! WH sovereignty just wouldn't feel like a WH. Remember, WH's are not Low/Null sec, they're WH's, they're unknown. The most sovereignty is how much security the occupants wish to apply. ------------------- Always remember this about EVE: Life is cheap, or 15 bucks a month.
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 03:48:00 - [84] Absolutely... we in ws don't want sov. Just remove the sov requirements for constructions. While you are at it CCP you should let us moon mine too. The only reason we don't have it is because back when ws first appeared there was no one to represent wormhole residents. The CSM reps from the big alliances didn't want us to have our own 'private dyspro moons'.... or so the argument went... even though they ALREADY HAVE their own private dyspro moons. They are simply wetting their pants with fear over the potential of wormhole space for people they can't control and easily grief. We already build caps and such out here and this is supposed to be sandbox. Let the chips fall where they may CCP. Give us the same things the whiners have.
Norahb	Posted - 2009.09.03 04:47:00 - [85] Edited by: Norahb on 03/09/2009 04:50:27 To allow sovereignty in wormhole space and or create control over when wormholes spawn would be to nullify it's whole purpose and make it just like null sec . In weeks the big Alliances would be moving in to wormholes claiming sov locking down wormholes and kicking you out . To allow moon mining in wormholes with their regular direct high sec access would effectively make null sec useless . Then you would see all these wealthy null sec Alliances who see their cash flows cut in half make the only logical decision . Which is to move large fleets into wormholes through high mass budget holes in null sec into w-space and go hole to hole killing everything they see including your PoS . If you want to destroy what wormholes are then I say allow sov and moon mining .
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 05:03:00 - [86] First... we don't want sov... jus sov requirements removed. That gives us an even playing field in that regard. Second... If done right moon distribution and hole mass budgets will prevent exactly what you are talking about. Third... Large alliances should not be able to monopolize null sec. This would make them have to work for it again. Fourth... Established ws groups with stations and capitals won't go down as easily as you imply. Fifth... This is a sandbox game. There is no reason to dissalow these mechanics other than political. Let the chips fall where they may. Fifth... You sound like one of those big alliance trolls trying to neuter ws.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.09.03 06:15:00 - [87] Originally by: CCP Abathur Originally by: Autobot Amarr I would probably agree that CCP didn't think we'd populate worm hole spaces with towers, carriers, dreadnoughts and capital industrial ships. Actually, we hoped it would happen and are pleased it is happening. Time will tell though if the original inhabitants of WH space are pleased by it... /me foresees giant Sleeper raids on Wormhole POSes. HELL YES! ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.09.03 06:44:00 - [88] Originally by: Ztagger Lee First... we don't want sov... jus sov requirements removed. That gives us an even playing field in that regard. No it doesn't. That would be favoring you, since it removes requirement from you that others will have to live with. That would be giving you an unfair advantage. Originally by: Ztagger Lee Second... If done right moon distribution and hole mass budgets will prevent exactly what you are talking about. How will you prevent alliance control? You either allow huge fleets to use wormholes, grant immunity to people already owning the system by limiting the mass allowance or make sure the systems aren't worth the effort and fighting(current system). Originally by: Ztagger Lee Third... Large alliances should not be able to monopolize null sec. This would make them have to work for it again. They should be able to control large chunks of it, but agreed, it should be made so that little operators can't be kept out so easily. Originally by: Ztagger Lee Fourth... Established ws groups with stations and capitals won't go down as easily as you imply. And that is the problem. Either you allow huge fleets to attack and let blobs walk over your little enterprise or the defender has effective immunity from attacks. Giving the monopoly of the systems to the first group to settle them is bad gamedesign. Or did it stop bothering you, since you saw that such mechanics would favor you this time. Originally by: Ztagger Lee Fifth... This is a sandbox game. There is no reason to dissalow these mechanics other than political. Let the chips fall where they may. Then allow all operators to take control of wormhole space, big alliances with their cap fleets included. It is a sandbox, so only reason to disallow this mechanic is political. Let the chips fall where they may. Originally by: Ztagger Lee Fifth... You sound like one of those big alliance trolls trying to neuter ws. Can't even count to six. Why am I not surprised? I can agree the current system needs chances, but at least the big alliances had to organize and fight for their "private dyspro moons". You just want the same with no fighting or work and want to bypass existing game mechanics to help you do it. Those CSM members must be so biased not to support such great ideas.
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 07:41:00 - [89] Not one of your rebuttals has a shred of reason why any of this can't be done with balance and the proper mechanics. Also... aside from the fact that done right it would still be something that had to be defended and worked for I doubt you actually know squat about ws simply because of your assumption that we don't fight, work hard, and organize for what we get in ws. I'm really pretty tired of big alliance patsies pandering bs every chance they get. The fact is that ws is viable on all points while still maintaining game balance. What needs to be fixed in the 'system' is the impunity with which big alliances are able to discriminate and dominate. Go back to your alliance bosses and tell m we don't buy that crap anymore. Too many of us have lived here for too long. Your idiot songs are getting old. Hope to cya and your alliance buddies n the hole someday.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.09.03 09:48:00 - [90] Originally by: Myra2007 Source What gives? POS needs fuel. You can't mine fuel in w-space, which means you cannot be self-sufficient, ergo you can't actually "settle" there. I doubt you'll be able to convince the local NPCs to sell you mechanical parts and enriched uranium, either. [Aussie players: join channel ANZAC]

JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.09.03 09:52:00 - [91] Originally by: Ztagger Lee Edited by: Ztagger Lee on 03/09/2009 07:52:49 I doubt you actually know squat about ws simply because of your assumption that we don't fight, work hard, and organize for what we get in ws.
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 09:54:00 - [92] Just because colonials have to import doesn't mean they didn't 'settle' there. It is also going to be hard for you to find one modern nation/culture that is actually self supporting in 50% of its' needs. The only truly self sufficient cultures that ever existed found their limits and are now long dead. Go figger. WS has been and is being settled. Get use to it. Many have come to stay.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.09.03 09:55:00 - [93] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Myra2007 Source What gives? POS needs fuel. You can't mine fuel in w-space, which means you cannot be self-sufficient, ergo you can't actually "settle" there. I doubt you'll be able to convince the local NPCs to sell you mechanical parts and enriched uranium, either. Your right we cant mine fuel in w-space. Fuel is one jump over . That make it is SOOO hard. /sarcasm.
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.09.03 10:03:00 - [94] there are varying degrees of wormhole control correct taht it is how much pressure u apply unto the system and security Ok so u control via a pos and an active corp a wormhole unless u have a few hundred peeps and even then youre going to run out of anamolies unless u start going next door. U cant control 24/7 ohte rpeople can move in setup and either go blue to u, remain neut , or go red and fight within system Some corps use em as production stations shipping in to research others as pvp bases of oeprations or places to launch random daily ratting ops into new secotrs so theres a range of possibles
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 10:34:00 - [95] Maybe its the poor english and I do understand the elements of what you are saying Helios... but i'm having trouble seeing where your point concerning the topic is. Maybe a friend with better english could help you make it more clear. No offense btw... just hard to make out where you were going with it.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.09.03 10:44:00 - [96] Let's fix regular sovereignty first....
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 11:03:00 - [97] We have no desire to 'fix' sov in ws. The idea is to remove it and its' limitations completely from ws. There is no point to sov in ws. Just make sov not matter at all in ws... problem solved. You can work on 'fixing' sov all you want in ks.
Ekeim	Posted - 2009.09.03 12:03:00 - [98] With wormhole colonization in full swing it's already well on its way to becoming little more than sleeper sov nullsec with hidden, wandering jump gates. I liked the exploration aspect of it when it came out. Finding systems picked to the bone by campers from it or a neighboring WH system removes a lot of the fun.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.03 12:40:00 - [99] Edited by: XXSketchxx on 03/09/2009 12:43:22 The only real benefit I see of sov is epeen. All these people asking for sov are basically people that don't have the balls/want to put in the effort to fight for real sov. And don't spout the "we don't want to NAP, we don't want to be part of a big alliance" bull. You want to do big things? Then get a lot of friends, make some political connections, fight your way up and grab some space. Kiss some ass. You want moons? Same thing. W-space is not for the "oh I failed to get regular sov so I'm going to go after some w-space" people. Yes CCP meant for colonization. That much is clear as we can anchor and live out of POSs. But outposts? Really? You'll destroy the unique nature of w-space. Moons? Come on. Settle up in a class 6 that connects to class 5s or something and do some work. Moons are for 0.0 space alliances that need to fund capital fleets and the outposts they earn through the ridiculous amount of effort that comes with owning sov space. That is the end game. Not w-space. W-space is something unique. And just to note for the idiots that will inevidentably flame this. I am a w-space colonist, not a major alliance member (though I did spend some time enjoying that part of the game, and learned a lot). W-space does not need sov. You really need a pretty dot on the map that has your alliance name on it? You really need an outpost? Really need POS fuel use bonus? Be real. The real reason is epeen. CCP just needs to fix the various idiocies with POSs and all will be fine. Stop trying to turn w-space into something its not. Especially due to: Quote: Now that we're there, we want Sovereignty in our worm hole homes. No. _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.09.03 12:54:00 - [100] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 03/09/2009 12:55:25 Ztagger Lee: All your suggestions seems to be limited to massive boosts for w-space residents tipping the scale strongly in their favor. Do you have any suggestion on major drawbacks for w-space residents that has to be implemented too to balance the scale once again? Btw. I will support your suggestions if you will support mine about how CCP should simply dump 1 billion isk into my wallet on a weekly basis and allow me to play for free. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute

JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.09.03 13:03:00 - [101] Agree , i think static moon minerals would be to huge boost. Then how about asteroid belts with moon minerals ?.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.09.03 13:10:00 - [102] Originally by: aka Ishur Edited by: aka Ishur on 02/09/2009 18:31:39 1) Six months of a timer ticking and nothing happened yet? You assume there has been no changes to wormhole mechanics since the launch 6 months ago, and that there are none in the pipeline.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.09.03 13:23:00 - [103] Let's not and say we did.
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.03 15:11:00 - [104] To Jowen: Yes I do and I don't think ws residents should get the bennies without a cost. My tz is forcing me to crash right now, however, but I will get back here tommorrow and yak about it. Sry i'm not into it right now but I simply have to sleep. Fly safe all...
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.03 16:29:00 - [105] Sov in W-Space? No. Ways to get moon materials other than moon mining? Yes.
Norahb	Posted - 2009.09.03 18:43:00 - [106] To Ztagger Lee if it was me that you were suggesting is in a big Alliance I am not . I am a part time resident in W-space . My point was not that taking down PoS's in W-space would be easy my point is the the big Alliances have the time , the people and the resources to do it . The high sec worm holes that open into w-space have small mass budgets that limit large fleets from coming into a w-space system at once . The null sec wormholes have larger mass budgets . It would be far easier for a null sec alliance to enter a class 3 let's from the class 5 next to you that has a a null sec opening and a larger mass budget than the high sec opening that you scan down every day to get supplies in and materials out and back to k-space . I just do not want w-space to become like null sec . If I wanted null sec I would go there and join one of the Alliances that are already there . If I could change one thing about w-space it would be to reverse the drop rate changes that have occurred . Sleeper combat sites in class 3's and lower are becoming not worth the effort anymore . The salvage and loot prices have just dropped so far . I would like to make isk in w-space doing w-space specific activities not doing the same things that can already be done in null sec( CCP quit nerfing my ability to make isk in wormholes ) . It seems to me that we may be getting side tracked here and some of the discussions are leading to null sec sovereignty issues and if those rules need to be changed and if there should be more null sec systems added or what not . This topic started out on Autobot's suggestion that w-space should have sovereignty and to that I say no .
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.09.03 18:52:00 - [107] The best thing that came out of this thread was NPC:s attacking POS. Go go !
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2009.09.03 20:02:00 - [108] Originally by: Blusick My opinion, unless someone Fixes! the POS so that internal theft or theivery can be fixed properly, stations would be a welcome sight. /signed 20 times The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Ztagger Lee	Posted - 2009.09.04 01:04:00 - [109] Edited by: Ztagger Lee on 04/09/2009 01:05:59 Back to Jowen: Now that i've had some sleep i'll be happy to expand on that Jowen. First I want to say that we don't need sov in ws at all. There is no need to introduce a load of mechanics there that serve no purpose. Simply remove all sov effects from ws. Thats enough. Rather than talk about all of it... which is too much for one post... i'll just address the outpost first. Without sov requirement... first off... an outpost is immediately doable with no further changes. An outpost is of great benefit to an alliance at the moment because of the benefits it gives. Most of those would not exist in ws without sov. The removal of those benefits would be quite a cost up front considering what it takes to get and keep one. My true desire is an outpost that is ws only and can affect a wh state but must be owned in the wh system to do so. There are a variety of ways to create a cost for this with mechanics that already exist in the mechanics for pos and outposts and others could be easily implemented. We would be getting several advantages in ws for this but still nothing compared to what an outpost does for the typical null alliance. I think its a reasonable way to grow ws capacity that is balanced. It also starts providing a middle ground for the small to medium operations that don't have or want hundreds to thousands of members just to operate out of hisec and so on.
Blastil	Posted - 2009.09.04 03:26:00 - [110] Sov Ruined 0.0. Lets not ruin wormholes mkay? No local, no sov == FUN. I am an advocate of removing all sov from 0.0 and removing all local, un-nerfing scanning, and boosting probing. Give serious advantages to POS scanning systems and create more advanced covert operation ships, such as Dictors.

Validen Persival	Posted - 2009.09.14 18:25:00 - [111] Yes I agree with the idea of making it have the same benefit of 0.0 space. You have all the disadvantages of it. Pirates can attack at any given moment so why not have the advantages? I agree Autobot.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.09.14 18:31:00 - [112] Edited by: XXSketchxx on 14/09/2009 18:31:43 Originally by: Validen Persival Yes I agree with the idea of making it have the same benefit of 0.0 space. You have all the disadvantages of it. Pirates can attack at any given moment so why not have the advantages? I agree Autobot. Was the sole reason you necro'd this thread simply to agree with the op on a widely regarded ridiculous and stupid idea that the devs have already stated won't happen? Good job Ace _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2009.09.14 19:01:00 - [113] What you get these days in a given wormhole is even more unpredictable than when they were first released. Often times now you'll find ones that are stripped bare, and only very rarely will you find C1,2, or 3 WH's that are untouched and unpopulated.
Drykor Minmatar Reikoku	Posted - 2009.09.14 20:35:00 - [114] Yeah, let's make a second 0.0! Wait, no.
Technovar Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.09.14 21:15:00 - [115] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer I think it would be very cool if sleepers started following people back out of wormhole systems. Though I would not like losing a ship to it, it could be rather exciting that day when I undock and discover the station is under attack because some noob thought he could attack a sleeper site, and then after escaping runs back to k-space and tries to dock. And it would be comical to see someone in a Domi venting plasma at the docking ring shouting "RUN!" in local whilst very large red crosses start appearing in the overview. Even the noobs and carebears would love that. I can imagine it now - "EVERYONE RUN, SLEEPER TRAIN TO 4-4!" Now this is a truly beautiful dream.
Celeritas 5k Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.09.15 00:58:00 - [116] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer I think it would be very cool if sleepers started following people back out of wormhole systems. Though I would not like losing a ship to it, it could be rather exciting that day when I undock and discover the station is under attack because some noob thought he could attack a sleeper site, and then after escaping runs back to k-space and tries to dock. And it would be comical to see someone in a Domi venting plasma at the docking ring shouting "RUN!" in local whilst very large red crosses start appearing in the overview. Even the noobs and carebears would love that. I can imagine it now - "EVERYONE RUN, SLEEPER TRAIN TO 4-4!" Hah! Could use this tactically, like the way they use the reavers towards the end of serenity... - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.15 02:45:00 - [117] I'm still waiting for the inevitable space anomaly that "Temporarily" shuts of WH space from normal space. By temporarily I mean a few months. ___________________________________________________ Idea: Train 3 alts at the same time solution.
Ronucti	Posted - 2009.09.15 03:56:00 - [118] Ok not sov, just claim it i guess... Allow corporations to go in there with a few poses, miners, xlarge ship array to build that rorq, then use the wh as a permanent home and build t1-t3 in there own little area...
HeliosGal	Posted - 2009.09.15 04:03:00 - [119] No sov as simple as that if ccp want to add more 00 space more low sec more high sec and more wormhole space. POSes abandoned in wh space should go offline and unanchored 6 weeks allowing othersw to come and claim and utilisie or remove
Aethrwolf Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers	Posted - 2009.09.15 04:31:00 - [120] Just thinking.. with newest dev blog on sov in Dominion mentioning the (at least slight) separation of outpost ownership and sov, a WH only outpost MAY be possible at least technically, doubt they would implement it for a while though. as for someone asking for reasons WHY we dont have sov in WH.. didnt CONCORD place WH off limits to everyone? I'm actually surprised everyone who uses a WH doesnt get a sec hit since we are actually breaking the law when we do. Anyway.. since concord doesnt want anyone in WH, and concord is the final arbitrator of sov.. no sov for WH space. ofc, I may have missed something in the news about concord changing their mind about the ban, so if I did simply ignore what I said. now for the "idea" stage of the post. Eventually I hope to see items dropped by the highend sleeper sites that would allow someone to research a bpc for a sleeper outpost egg. My reasonong is that the reason sleepers dont currently attack POS' is that they dont scan for stuff, just wait for it to find THEM. An outpost shows up on the overview from everywhere in the system, so they would OFC immediately attack anything that didnt register to their onboard systems as "theirs". Absolutely everything is subjective.

Lusulpher Blackwater Syndicate Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.09.15 07:21:00 - [121] Edited by: Lusulpher on 15/09/2009 07:23:30 After all nullsec is filled with players and cnflict 10 years from now, CCP will allow Outposts in W-space. Hopefully, everyone has access to it's features and docking. Creates a real community of "survivalists"/Kbears. And a few player-built Stargates to extend those assinine WH timers would not hurt. But no Sov, WHs are not where the endgame is. Voted yes to Sleepers chasing explorere back into K-space, as long as they pod everyone who fights them. Like real nasty rogue CONCORD. 7
Bonny Lee Caldari The Guardian Agency Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.09.15 08:44:00 - [122] Originally by: Lusulpher Edited by: Lusulpher on 15/09/2009 07:23:30 After all nullsec is filled with players and cnflict 10 years from now, CCP will allow Outposts in W-space. Hopefully, everyone has access to it's features and docking. Creates a real community of "survivalists"/Kbears. And a few player-built Stargates to extend those assinine WH timers would not hurt. But no Sov, WHs are not where the endgame is. Voted yes to Sleepers chasing explorere back into K-space, as long as they pod everyone who fights them. Like real nasty rogue CONCORD. I dont see this coming.


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