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Caldari Citizen656231
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba ITT: People replying to a hacked account rmt seller who is prissed his entire companys supply of eve characters got biomasssed in a single night and so cut them out of the isk selling business.
10/10
No he can't be a hacked account his grammar is too good. oh wai...
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen656231
Originally by: karma Reigns
Originally by: Mira O'karr i think the only interesting observation is that prices have gone down since the macros disappeared.
i guess they could afford to pay any price and didnt worry about it. so they screwed the regular joe by driving the price up.
so now we are at an affordable level for a regular player, whats the problem with that?
curious how it will be in 1 or 2 months time when undoubtedly the macros will be back.
ok, I see your point.. I gues that I have only been playing a short time and am used to it being a certain amount.. with a 5-10 percent increase or decrease in either way.. I mean old prices are a little irrelavant (cause my dad bought a 69 chevy in 69 that cost him 3k) and that price does not apply now...but you do have a great point. hmm but you dont think that in the interest of profit per player and the GTC retailers ability to manipulate the market needs to have a safeguard?
They aren't manipulating the market you twit! It's called inflation! INFLATION!
LOL inflation in a game that effects real life dollars? are you serious? Please tell me that was a joke...
and akita I am no longer wasting the minutes of my life to read your responses to kindly exit stage left... they dont care about the isk you tard.. only the money spent by us to buy it!!!!!!!!!!! sheesh
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns yeah but you just proved my point.. see how he has to spend more RL money to get the same isk but hey if you dont mind then I guess its ok...lol.. WOW
And how exactly do you CLAIM the GTC seller to have LOWERED GTC/PLEX prices ? By taking money out of his own pocket (giving them to CCP) to purchase GTC/PLEX himself, flooding the in-game market with GTC/PLEX, getting ISK in the process ? Because that's the ONLY way to lower their prices. And that in the vain hope that they will INCREASE sales of GTC/PLEX that way to compensate for the real-life cash loss ? Do you realize how financially unfeasable that is ?
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw This is what OP is saying:
Companies like Battleclinic and Shattered Crystal hire people to play the game. They provide people with GTC's they themselves can buy from CCP for say, $12,50. They put a 1,000 GTC's on the ISK market, costing them $12,500. This drops the ISK/dollar conversion, so people need to buy more GTC's to get the same amount of ISK. The people buying more GTC's would cover the $12,500 plus add a tidy profit on top.
In other words, the OP is conspiracy nut.
whats an OP? and yeah thats what I'm saying.. I'm not even saying its happening.. I'm just saying its possible.. there is one guy that says he buys 3 now instead of two cause of the price drop.... there a little bit of you burden of proof there bud
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:16:00 -
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Akita, stop feeding it.
You should know better.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns I feel like the price for GTC cards should be regulated by eve. Our Real Life dollars should not be eve economy driven.
The OP must be somehow confused....
The price of GTC cards have been frozen for quite a while now at $34.95. That price will get you 2 PLEX, which you can then apply to your EVE characters each for 1 months of play-time. This amount of play-time has not changed either.
So your worries are completely unfounded. Your real-life dollar value ($34.95 = 2 months play-time) IS regulated by EVE and is NOT affected by the EVE economy!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Akita, stop feeding it. You should know better.
But... it jumps up and down and bites its tail when I do that ! It's sooooo cute !
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Woodwraith
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns
about time someone with a brain.. please dont insult me with the burden of proof comment.. you should know that i don't have any. . . . Why would the value of isk per unit go up and our dollar amount in relationship to isk go down in a reccession.. it wouldnt and yet it has and im not happy about it but judging from some of these comments.. LOL I can see why it may... frikin sheep!!!!
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Caldari Citizen656231
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns
Originally by: Caldari Citizen656231
Originally by: karma Reigns
Originally by: Mira O'karr i think the only interesting observation is that prices have gone down since the macros disappeared.
i guess they could afford to pay any price and didnt worry about it. so they screwed the regular joe by driving the price up.
so now we are at an affordable level for a regular player, whats the problem with that?
curious how it will be in 1 or 2 months time when undoubtedly the macros will be back.
ok, I see your point.. I gues that I have only been playing a short time and am used to it being a certain amount.. with a 5-10 percent increase or decrease in either way.. I mean old prices are a little irrelavant (cause my dad bought a 69 chevy in 69 that cost him 3k) and that price does not apply now...but you do have a great point. hmm but you dont think that in the interest of profit per player and the GTC retailers ability to manipulate the market needs to have a safeguard?
They aren't manipulating the market you twit! It's called inflation! INFLATION!
LOL inflation in a game that effects real life dollars? are you serious? Please tell me that was a joke...
and akita I am no longer wasting the minutes of my life to read your responses to kindly exit stage left... they dont care about the isk you tard.. only the money spent by us to buy it!!!!!!!!!!! sheesh
Real life dollars. Real life dollars as you call them are subject to inflation. Isk is the same way. Both of these are forms of currency in a free market economy. That means that the rules of inflation apply. Believe it or not this game is more complex than say... WOW, so I suggest that you learn some basic economics or go back to WOW
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karma Reigns
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:19:00 -
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dude nevermind....... nevermind.... just nevermind......
lol you were right.. nothing good is going to come out of this... akita that should have been your first question.... sorry to bother you sheep... have a good day!!!
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns
Originally by: Washell Olivaw Companies like Battleclinic and Shattered Crystal hire people to play the game. They provide people with GTC's they themselves can buy from CCP for say, $12,50. They put a 1,000 GTC's on the ISK market, costing them $12,500. This drops the ISK/dollar conversion, so people need to buy more GTC's to get the same amount of ISK. The people buying more GTC's would cover the $12,500 plus add a tidy profit on top. In other words, the OP is conspiracy nut.
I'm just saying its possible
/facepalm, /facedesk, /facewall
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Akita, stop feeding it. You should know better.
But... it jumps up and down and bites its tail when I do that ! It's sooooo cute !
Akita is also chasing a forum poasting legend so any excuse is a good excuse..
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Caldari Citizen656231
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns dude nevermind....... nevermind.... just nevermind......
lol you were right.. i have no idea what im talking about... akita that should have been your first question.... sorry to bother you intelligent posters... have a good day!!!
fixed for ya
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns WOW... sheep
you guys are all sheep... its sad. My theory is sound. There is no disputing it. And there is a need to buy GTC's.. you 03 players didnt have 1996 players to deal with.. the way the 09 players have 03 players to deal with. and unless someone can prove that there is a decreased demand for playing time.. its all nonsense
Can I have proof.. not opinion please
Proof? Well Here.. 2007 player.. never bought isk... even so I an fairly well succeeded, even playing only 4 hours per week and can have mid level equipment ( I can have 1 2 capitals etc.. just cannot pay for officer stuff)
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Mira O'karr
Minmatar UK1 Zero
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mira O''karr on 31/08/2009 16:29:46
Originally by: karma Reigns
Originally by: Mira O'karr i think the only interesting observation is that prices have gone down since the macros disappeared.
i guess they could afford to pay any price and didnt worry about it. so they screwed the regular joe by driving the price up.
so now we are at an affordable level for a regular player, whats the problem with that?
curious how it will be in 1 or 2 months time when undoubtedly the macros will be back.
ok, I see your point.. I gues that I have only been playing a short time and am used to it being a certain amount.. with a 5-10 percent increase or decrease in either way.. I mean old prices are a little irrelavant (cause my dad bought a 69 chevy in 69 that cost him 3k) and that price does not apply now...but you do have a great point. hmm but you dont think that in the interest of profit per player and the GTC retailers ability to manipulate the market needs to have a safeguard?
i cant say i have read the whole thread but i dont understand how GTC retailers are manipulating the market. i think the cause and effect of the price going down is more because of missing turn over through macros instead of gtc retailers some how wanting to peddle more product. how would that work any way. it is not as if the retailers get the codes for free and can just flood the market so the average GTC seller needs to sell more codes in order to arrive at the same isk level.
what happened here is a steady increase in prices ingame (items and ships) that was on part with the rise in GTC cost though the two price developments were not directly related. then the gtc market colapses because a large portion of customers (macros and rmt) disappears. this leaves you with the feeling that you are not getting your moneys worth because the ingame prices did not fall, on the contrary, they are bound to rise again because the shortage of macro minerals.
the price for GTC will rise again the moment a critical mass of gtc sellers realises that the 500 odd million they are making per code does not come close to paying what they are after ingame and start selling their codes for more and the demand can not be fullfilled any longer by the "need quick isk, willing to sell for less" crowd.
at least thats how i see it. i m no economist so might be wrong.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns whats an OP? and yeah thats what I'm saying.. I'm not even saying its happening.. I'm just saying its possible.. there is one guy that says he buys 3 now instead of two cause of the price drop.... there a little bit of you burden of proof there bud
Original Poster/Post, depending on context.
GTC is $34.99. Assume company A can buy them for $25 from CCP. This blog shows that at the end of July there were 16,000 plexes on the market. Assume company A contacts 10 EVE players and gives them each 100 GTC's. An investment of $25,000 dollars. Said players can keep the ISK for their labor and silence.
In order to break even, company A would have to sell an additional 2,500 GTC's. If they sell 5,000, which converts to 2/3 of the current stock, they'll have made $25,000. But, if any word of this gets out, the most likely result is that players will stop buying from company A. But even worse, CCP and other developers will stop selling to company A and may initiate a law suit. They will be out of business for a couple of thousands dollars of profit. Which they'll lose on bankruptcy and legal procedures.
And I really doubt they get a $10 profit margin per GTC, think it's much lower.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2009.08.31 16:51:00 -
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Has the OP actually described the problem that s/he feels that sheep are responsible for? Prices are too high, too low, too high demand, too low of a demand, they aren't the right color, what?
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Kenz Rider
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Posted - 2009.08.31 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kenz Rider on 31/08/2009 17:22:09 I think most people are looking at the market impact of farmers the wrong way. Ultimately, when you sell a plex you are paying someone US Dollars to make ISK for you by running missions, mining, doing complexes, etc. The question becomes: how much do you need to pay them to do so.
Professional "farmers" of isk are typcically very efficient at making ISK and furthermore are willing to work for relatively little. They are effecient because their goal is only to make ISK, not to have fun and they have a support system -- multiple dedicated people working toward the goal with no distractions. Regarding what they are willing to work for, while examples can be found of people in first world countries that are willing to farm isk for very little real life reward (such as a high school student), the vast majority of people are not willing to farm for a few US Dollars equivelent of wages per hour.
Where does this leave us? Well in essence, a high PLEX price means the farmer is willing to work for less per unit of time, while low PLEX price means the farmer needs more compensation per unit of time. This fits with the economic reality pretty well where you can pay a dedicated and professional third-world farmer a couple US Dollars an hour, versus a first-world EVE player which is probably more. Now the banning of so many farmers means there is less of it going on and therefore the marginal supplier of ISK is a first-world player who is less efficient at producing it and probably demands more compensation for their time.
Some will question what people in first world countries will work for. That is, how much reward do they need for making ISK. It's easy to throw around of examples of the people that make 20m ISK an hour doing whatever it is they do, but for the majority of players 200-300m ISK is a lot. Getting enough ISK to purchase a PLEX is not an easy thing to do and to the extent they can do it, it may mean doing a lot of boring things. Some have their niches that would allow for making easy ISK, but looking across 200,000 players I think the vast majority would find it hard. At the end of the day it comes down to the decision of giving up 200-300mm ISK to not have to pay next month's EVE bill. The decision will be vastly different for an ISK farmer, a mature and well connected EVE player and a relative n00b.
Farmers buying PLEX may have some impact, but I find that a very complicated relationship to work out in simple terms. You clearly have a ceiling on the price because the farmer could buy GTC instead. Also there is a blackmarket price for ISK where the farmer could sell ISK instead of converting it to game time. There are a number of arbitrages there so there will be floors and ceilings -- all of which I haven't worked out. - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - Little known fact: 95% of DS's signatures have nothing to do with EVE. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.31 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns dude nevermind....... nevermind.... just nevermind......
lol you were right.. nothing good is going to come out of this...
I know.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.31 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: karma Reigns dude nevermind....... nevermind.... just nevermind......
lol you were right.. nothing good is going to come out of this...
I know.
Sometimes when people troll you, they do so to avoid natural disasters like this. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.08.31 17:29:00 -
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Thread and OP delivered. Would read again.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.31 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns
people like you should have handlers..... Dont forget your helmet before you leave the basement... <---- what he said
You forgot to switch to your sockpuppet alt.
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Kiri Serrensun
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Posted - 2009.08.31 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: karma Reigns dude nevermind....... nevermind.... just nevermind......
lol you were right.. nothing good is going to come out of this... akita that should have been your first question.... sorry to bother you sheep... have a good day!!!
Baaaa. Baa, baa, baaah. B-aaa.
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Karajana
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Posted - 2009.08.31 20:22:00 -
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ITT A person a with a large ego and a small brain that can't comprehend that he's wrong and that the world doesn't revolve around him.
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Sinderblock
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Posted - 2009.09.02 02:52:00 -
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I've seen some odd things in forums from time to time but I don't think I've ever seen anyone so completely wrong, who was convinced they were right. In the end sometimes I wish I was working on some kind of psychology pH. D and could turn collections of posts like this into a thesis. Does it boil down to simple trolling? Such passionate defense might suggest otherwise but name calling and the lack of ability to respond in an intelligible manner to any post that is in fact correct does have a strong troll stamp on it. I must wonder if at some later date the OP will finally have a eureka moment and see where they were wrong or just go on being "right" forever.
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Ava Starfire
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Posted - 2009.09.02 03:58:00 -
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I think the OP was trying to open up about a sheep obsession tbh. Space is fun! |
Rotnac
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.02 04:56:00 -
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You're all nuts, shut up.
All I can really say here, is that I like eating young sheep.
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Nouva MacGyver
Caldari MacGyver Communications
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Posted - 2009.09.02 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rotnac You're all nuts, shut up.
All I can really say here, is that I like eating young sheep.
That would be called lamb then! And yes, they are nice. Chicken is delicious too, don't you agree?
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Yldrad
The Dandy KillerS
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Posted - 2009.09.02 07:35:00 -
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Yes, we are sheep.
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