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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
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Posted - 2012.06.05 12:08:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:If I were to apply, I would make my pitch on the fact that to balance all the other media control the null sec zealots have in game, I would auto-delete every post made by a member of the cfc, or anyone who sounded like them.
That would be as "fair and balanced" as the these jerks play. If you want to beat the pigs, you have to get in the mud with them.
But of course, we have a single person making decisions who precisely makes up this new censor board. We all know where this is heading. Will we have the power to remove rants like the one above? |

Alain Kinsella
120
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:25:00 -
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Sounds like this is working out so far, good to hear it (from someone who helped moderate the SL forum - as oneself, not from an alt).
Some related questions:
1) Are you getting support from the GM and/or Dev teams? If so, which ones (if that can be revealed)? 2) Any chance you can release turnover stats? aka the dropout rate from the program. 3) Slightly off topic, but is Mercury still open as well?
Again, good luck. Its not something I'm interested in doing anymore, but if its working my hat's off to you.
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.06 19:24:00 -
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Alain Kinsella wrote:Sounds like this is working out so far, good to hear it (from someone who helped moderate the SL forum - as oneself, not from an alt).
Some related questions:
1) Are you getting support from the GM and/or Dev teams? If so, which ones (if that can be revealed)? 2) Any chance you can release turnover stats? aka the dropout rate from the program. 3) Slightly off topic, but is Mercury still open as well?
Again, good luck. Its not something I'm interested in doing anymore, but if its working my hat's off to you.
Hey Alain,
Very good questions here.
1) Yes of course we do. We work together with the EVE Community Team, CCP Navigator, CCP Spitfire, CCP Phantom and CCP Guard. These people are our main contacts within CCP and they provide guidance aswell as pointing out areas to improve upon. In some rare cases we need the help of GM-&s aswell and we use the same methods in contacting them for this as you, aka the petition system.
2) I would lie if i say there wont be drop outs, as people have jobs or are students and real life is more important as space pixels. However, i can not give you turnover stats.
3) Mercury is still around and im sure you can put in an application for them aswell.
Thank you for questions and i hope my answers will satisfy you! ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
590
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Posted - 2012.06.07 13:35:00 -
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Ugh 
I missed the part in the OP where the application is now handled through the website.
Instead I mailed an application to ccl@eve-isd.net as per the instructions on the dev blog. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-a Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |

Zleon Leigh
150
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Posted - 2012.06.07 21:55:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote: and hold an active subscribed account in EVE Online for over 6 months.
"subscribed" What in the world does that mean? My account is active through TC's and PLEX. Does that mean those without credit cards on the account need not apply?
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strikethree
Purple Passion Procurements
24
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:59:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Trudge Amatin wrote:So instead of listening to the players, you are choosing to listen to a select few who will obviously have alternate motives with what they point into your direction?
GG CCP and here i thought you had learned your lesson. Yet another wonderful step backwards. Step backwards? shoot i thought it was one giant leap backwards
I agree with you but with one huge caveat: What these other people are complaining about is what they THINK this will turn in to. What is intended is indeed a breath of fresh air. The method, "crowd-sourcing", is a valid method for it. Watch out for the abuses.
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
403
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:03:00 -
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As one of the other posters pointed out, regarding the "6 month active subscription" thing. I was forced to take a 9 month break from EVE due to health issue, but have been playing since 2005 with a few breaks here and there. Will my recent 9 month break be held against me?
(If I'm honest, my troll posts will probably be more likely to count against me, but you never know). Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
78
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Posted - 2012.06.10 10:01:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I am just wondering if an ISD character is essentially anonymous. It is not allowed to share your ISD identity with your friends, fellow EVE players etc, if that is your question.
I been pondering this statement for sometime now. You do realize that there are some couples within the game where the possibility of 1 getting the position the other will find out about it. You know how couples are they like to talk about all sorts of things and if the both play eve it will be gossip hour. Is there some type of consideration for such cases>?
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Zleon Leigh
154
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Posted - 2012.06.10 14:55:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote: and hold an active subscribed account in EVE Online for over 6 months.
"subscribed" What in the world does that mean? My account is active through TC's and PLEX. Does that mean those without credit cards on the account need not apply?
Guess they gave up on communicating Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.10 14:57:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote: and hold an active subscribed account in EVE Online for over 6 months.
"subscribed" What in the world does that mean? My account is active through TC's and PLEX. Does that mean those without credit cards on the account need not apply? Guess they gave up on communicating
Nope we have not!
As long as your account is active, please feel free to apply. It makes no difference for us if you pay with credit card or via Plex. ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.10 14:58:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:As one of the other posters pointed out, regarding the "6 month active subscription" thing. I was forced to take a 9 month break from EVE due to health issue, but have been playing since 2005 with a few breaks here and there. Will my recent 9 month break be held against me?
(If I'm honest, my troll posts will probably be more likely to count against me, but you never know).
No, you break will not be held against you, Sir! ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
106

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Posted - 2012.06.10 15:00:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I am just wondering if an ISD character is essentially anonymous. It is not allowed to share your ISD identity with your friends, fellow EVE players etc, if that is your question. I been pondering this statement for sometime now. You do realize that there are some couples within the game where the possibility of 1 getting the position the other will find out about it. You know how couples are they like to talk about all sorts of things and if the both play eve it will be gossip hour. Is there some type of consideration for such cases>?
Indeed there are couples out there and we have also a solution for them.  ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Zleon Leigh
154
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Posted - 2012.06.10 15:09:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote: and hold an active subscribed account in EVE Online for over 6 months.
"subscribed" What in the world does that mean? My account is active through TC's and PLEX. Does that mean those without credit cards on the account need not apply? Guess they gave up on communicating Nope we have not! As long as your account is active, please feel free to apply. It makes no difference for us if you pay with credit card or via Plex.
Then I humbly suggest that the wording you use be changed to "subscribed account" or "active account" - with preference to latter since it is more accurate. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
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Zleon Leigh
154
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Posted - 2012.06.10 15:10:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote:ISD Eshtir wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I am just wondering if an ISD character is essentially anonymous. It is not allowed to share your ISD identity with your friends, fellow EVE players etc, if that is your question. I been pondering this statement for sometime now. You do realize that there are some couples within the game where the possibility of 1 getting the position the other will find out about it. You know how couples are they like to talk about all sorts of things and if the both play eve it will be gossip hour. Is there some type of consideration for such cases>? Indeed there are couples out there and we have also a solution for them. 
Ball gags continue to evolve
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Holy One
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
201
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:33:00 -
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I wan to be an IED. |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
411
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:13:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:As one of the other posters pointed out, regarding the "6 month active subscription" thing. I was forced to take a 9 month break from EVE due to health issue, but have been playing since 2005 with a few breaks here and there. Will my recent 9 month break be held against me?
(If I'm honest, my troll posts will probably be more likely to count against me, but you never know). No, you break will not be held against you, Sir!
Thanks for clearing that up for me Eshtir, much appreciated. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Luis Graca
55
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:07:00 -
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I have some questions
Since we are all players (or should be) how do i know you're not using the forums to you're own "group" own advantage?
Does CCP listen to you or are just making use of you and listening CSM?
Once i pond a time i was thinking in joining the ISD STAR but since i didn't find a place to ask questions and didn't want to look for them since I'm to laisy to do other peoples job i said "skew it" but now i will ask anyway, does A ISD STAR guy has to have 2 clients open or can it all be done in one? It's really bad giving newbs help and playing on 2 different clients?
Note this is no troll/badmouthing or what ever you want to call i just want to know where's ISD is placed in EVE and for the moment i'm bored in EVE and I'm looking for something to do in EVE help newbs is one of the ideas |
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ISD Tipene
ISD STAR
21

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Posted - 2012.06.17 09:46:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:I have some questions
Since we are all players (or should be) how do i know you're not using the forums to you're own "group" own advantage?
Does CCP listen to you or are just making use of you and listening CSM?
Once i pond a time i was thinking in joining the ISD STAR but since i didn't find a place to ask questions and didn't want to look for them since I'm to laisy to do other peoples job i said "skew it" but now i will ask anyway, does A ISD STAR guy has to have 2 clients open or can it all be done in one? It's really bad giving newbs help and playing on 2 different clients?
Note this is no troll/badmouthing or what ever you want to call i just want to know where's ISD is placed in EVE and for the moment i'm bored in EVE and I'm looking for something to do in EVE help newbs is one of the ideas
Hi, I'm one of the STAR leads so I'll try and answer your questions that pertain to ourselves (please note I'm not answering on CCLs behalf as they are a separate division).
First of all one of the main rules of being in ISD is that your volunteer and your player life are completely separate; so simply put we aren't allowed to play and volunteer at the same time, it's simply one or the other.
We don't have the same level of involvement as the CSM of course as we aren't a player picked body, but there have been occasions in the past where ideas that involve us (such as changes to the new player experience) are run by ourselves first so we can give input, but this is all done at a much lower level than what you see through the CSM.
Also it's very unlikely to come up in our role of new player helper and help channel moderator, but everything we do is logged and is available for any GM to check what we're doing in cases of alleged bias. |
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Luis Graca
56
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Posted - 2012.06.17 14:01:00 -
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Sorry i know that you just write but i need to make sure you didn't make a mistake because it doesn't make any sense to me
So if i want to help i have to stop play?
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ISD Tipene
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:50:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:Sorry i know that you just write but i need to make sure you didn't make a mistake because it doesn't make any sense to me
So if i want to help i have to stop play?
At the same time. So you can play and you can volunteer, but as soon as you want to do say an hour of volunteering you would need to log all your playing accounts off. Once you've done your hour you can go back to playing. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2332
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Posted - 2012.06.17 17:58:00 -
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Quick suggestion here.
Would it be possible to have Internal Affairs do a quick stock-take of the volunteer moderators every so often (say 3 months or so) and produce report for the community listing numbers and proportions of volunteers coming from the various large alliances in the game?
That way we could keep tracking potential bias problems if any one alliance ended up controlling a disparately large proportion of the volunteerr positions.
Is kind of thing possible?
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
511
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Posted - 2012.06.18 13:15:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Quick suggestion here.
Would it be possible to have Internal Affairs do a quick stock-take of the volunteer moderators every so often (say 3 months or so) and produce report for the community listing numbers and proportions of volunteers coming from the various large alliances in the game?
That way we could keep tracking potential bias problems if any one alliance ended up controlling a disparately large proportion of the volunteerr positions.
Is kind of thing possible?
Can you stop filling other threads with your Goon bashing first Jade? Thanks.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.18 15:20:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Quick suggestion here.
Would it be possible to have Internal Affairs do a quick stock-take of the volunteer moderators every so often (say 3 months or so) and produce report for the community listing numbers and proportions of volunteers coming from the various large alliances in the game?
That way we could keep tracking potential bias problems if any one alliance ended up controlling a disparately large proportion of the volunteerr positions.
Is kind of thing possible?
Hi Jade,
You should probably know me as one of the old CRC moderators. Let me tell you that we are watched by IA constantly, also we have the Community Team overseeing all our edits, deletions and locks.
I am in charge of the CCL volunteers and i can tell you that i do not allow bias. My moderators are not allowed to moderate anything that involve their player, corporation or alliance.
I will and i can not support your idea of propotion reports, this only leads to accusations and a lot of rumors. However if you feel someone is abusing his/her status as volunteer, go ahead and mail internalaffairs@ccpgames.com.
ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2340
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Posted - 2012.06.18 15:43:00 -
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ISD Eshtir wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Quick suggestion here.
Would it be possible to have Internal Affairs do a quick stock-take of the volunteer moderators every so often (say 3 months or so) and produce report for the community listing numbers and proportions of volunteers coming from the various large alliances in the game?
That way we could keep tracking potential bias problems if any one alliance ended up controlling a disparately large proportion of the volunteerr positions.
Is kind of thing possible?
Hi Jade, You should probably know me as one of the old CRC moderators. Let me tell you that we are watched by IA constantly, also we have the Community Team overseeing all our edits, deletions and locks. I am in charge of the CCL volunteers and i can tell you that i do not allow bias. My moderators are not allowed to moderate anything that involve their player, corporation or alliance. I will and i can not support your idea of proportion reports, this only leads to accusations and a lot of rumors. However if you feel someone is abusing his/her status as volunteer, go ahead and mail internalaffairs@ccpgames.com.
Heya Eshtir, well I'm happy to hear the point you make on mods not being able to moderate anything involving their own player, corp alliance. That does resolve a big concern obviously.
I guess we'll agree to differ on the proportion reports thing - I can see your point that it might well create rumours (if it turned out one particular alliance was was dominating the mod numbers for example) but on the other hand not knowing the proportion can also lead to the suspicion of bias in the mind of people using the service.
Still, I guess we see how it all goes.
All the best.
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.06.18 15:47:00 -
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Agreed Jade,
everyone has different opinion and views on certain things. Anyway, i dropped CCP Navigator a mail and asked him to give you (and the rest of EVE) a response about this.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1243

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Posted - 2012.06.18 15:53:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Quick suggestion here.
Would it be possible to have Internal Affairs do a quick stock-take of the volunteer moderators every so often (say 3 months or so) and produce report for the community listing numbers and proportions of volunteers coming from the various large alliances in the game?
That way we could keep tracking potential bias problems if any one alliance ended up controlling a disparately large proportion of the volunteerr positions.
Is kind of thing possible?
I do not feel there is a need to do this at present but it is certainly something we can look at if it is warranted.
Let me explain a little why we would take this approach.
People who volunteer generally do so because of their passion for the community and for a desire to help. While this team is in its infancy we are conducting regular reviews of the moderation logs to ensure that volunteers are performing their role in a fair and balanced way. We would not feel comfortable putting them under a microscope when there is currently no allegation of wrong-doing.
What I can tell you is that our volunteer team are made up of alliance members, NPC corp members, mission runners, miners, PvP'ers and every aspect of game play.
In addition, the contributions from volunteers can often result in employment with CCP such is their contribution. As a matter of fact, many on the current community team have originated from this very program.
I hope this answers your query and I will assure you that we will continue to help our volunteers grow, develop and learn from any mistakes.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2340
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:09:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Quick suggestion here.
Would it be possible to have Internal Affairs do a quick stock-take of the volunteer moderators every so often (say 3 months or so) and produce report for the community listing numbers and proportions of volunteers coming from the various large alliances in the game?
That way we could keep tracking potential bias problems if any one alliance ended up controlling a disparately large proportion of the volunteerr positions.
Is kind of thing possible?
I do not feel there is a need to do this at present but it is certainly something we can look at if it is warranted. Let me explain a little why we would take this approach. People who volunteer generally do so because of their passion for the community and for a desire to help. While this team is in its infancy we are conducting regular reviews of the moderation logs to ensure that volunteers are performing their role in a fair and balanced way. We would not feel comfortable putting them under a microscope when there is currently no allegation of wrong-doing. What I can tell you is that our volunteer team are made up of alliance members, NPC corp members, mission runners, miners, PvP'ers and every aspect of game play. In addition, the contributions from volunteers can often result in employment with CCP such is their contribution. As a matter of fact, many on the current community team have originated from this very program. I hope this answers your query and I will assure you that we will continue to help our volunteers grow, develop and learn from any mistakes.
Fair enough. All the best.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
203
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Posted - 2012.06.19 13:33:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Quick suggestion here.
Would it be possible to have Internal Affairs do a quick stock-take of the volunteer moderators every so often (say 3 months or so) and produce report for the community listing numbers and proportions of volunteers coming from the various large alliances in the game?
That way we could keep tracking potential bias problems if any one alliance ended up controlling a disparately large proportion of the volunteerr positions.
Is kind of thing possible?
I do not feel there is a need to do this at present but it is certainly something we can look at if it is warranted. Let me explain a little why we would take this approach. People who volunteer generally do so because of their passion for the community and for a desire to help. While this team is in its infancy we are conducting regular reviews of the moderation logs to ensure that volunteers are performing their role in a fair and balanced way. We would not feel comfortable putting them under a microscope when there is currently no allegation of wrong-doing. What I can tell you is that our volunteer team are made up of alliance members, NPC corp members, mission runners, miners, PvP'ers and every aspect of game play. In addition, the contributions from volunteers can often result in employment with CCP such is their contribution. As a matter of fact, many on the current community team have originated from this very program. I hope this answers your query and I will assure you that we will continue to help our volunteers grow, develop and learn from any mistakes.
Do you seriously think people believe what you posted?????
Let's pretend that I run a mega-alliance. I have a long track record of using any meta-game tool or in-game mechanic to further my end goals.
One point I don't have complete control over is the Eve forums. I do have a vast army of propagandists ready to attack or overwhelm with sheer numbers any posts or posters that I deem dangerous to my end goals. But still, posts and posters can get through that impeded my ability to win the mindshare war.
But suddenly, CCP has afforded me an opportunity to actually censor out these posts, even get the posters banned! Perfect! I instruct my propaganda team to apply en masse, but with alts in NPC corps, on clean accounts that can't be tied to my alliance. That way, complaints of bias cannot be proven. Through sheer volumes of applications, I will get a large number of "volunteers" on this new censorship team. If I am lucky, may even gain control of the majority of the censorship team "volunteers". I can then begin to eliminate any dissenting voices on the forums, and I am one step closer to my my end goals, whatever they are.
But Navigator, you guys at CCP are going see right through this, and stonewall my plans by close tabs on the editing patterns of my infiltrators, and you are going to catch all of them......sure you will.
Oh, and btw, I fully expect to be banned July 12th, as I am sure that some eager "volunteer", with absolutely NO ties whatsoever to ANY null sec alliance, will have dredged up a list of my past posts. Even through the new rules kick in July 12th, I am sure that the evidence brought to the attention of CCP will be so overwhelming that I post rumours and say bad things about null sec alliances and sometimes about lead devs who did the goon presentation at Fanfest 2007, that some GM will examine the "evidence", and ban me retroactively. |
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CCP Arkanon
C C P
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:53:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Do you seriously think people believe what you posted?????
Let's pretend that I run a mega-alliance. I have a long track record of using any meta-game tool or in-game mechanic to further my end goals.
One point I don't have complete control over is the Eve forums. I do have a vast army of propagandists ready to attack or overwhelm with sheer numbers any posts or posters that I deem dangerous to my end goals. But still, posts and posters can get through that impeded my ability to win the mindshare war.
But suddenly, CCP has afforded me an opportunity to actually censor out these posts, even get the posters banned! Perfect! I instruct my propaganda team to apply en masse, but with alts in NPC corps, on clean accounts that can't be tied to my alliance. That way, complaints of bias cannot be proven. Through sheer volumes of applications, I will get a large number of "volunteers" on this new censorship team. If I am lucky, may even gain control of the majority of the censorship team "volunteers". I can then begin to eliminate any dissenting voices on the forums, and I am one step closer to my my end goals, whatever they are.
But Navigator, you guys at CCP are going see right through this, and stonewall my plans by close tabs on the editing patterns of my infiltrators, and you are going to catch all of them......sure you will.
Oh, and btw, I fully expect to be banned July 12th, as I am sure that some eager "volunteer", with absolutely NO ties whatsoever to ANY null sec alliance, will have dredged up a list of my past posts. Even through the new rules kick in July 12th, I am sure that the evidence brought to the attention of CCP will be so overwhelming that I post rumours and say bad things about null sec alliances and sometimes about lead devs who did the goon presentation at Fanfest 2007, that some GM will examine the "evidence", and ban me retroactively.
That's a grim scenario you're painting, but there are a couple of problems with it, such as the fact that we're not going to be hiring people on brand new accounts with no experience in EVE, so applying like that really isn't an option. Also, why call this a censorship team, is there any need for that?
We're sorry if this upsets you, but it's still going to happen, change is inevitable. We will be keeping an eye on it and if anything strange happens, it will be investigated. If anything is found that needs our involvement, we'll step in, that's the procedure.
Finally, I don't think anyone will be looking for old posts to action on, so there should be little need to worry about that. Forward is the way. CCP Arkanon - Internal Affairs |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
203
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Posted - 2012.06.19 18:01:00 -
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CCP Arkanon wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Do you seriously think people believe what you posted?????
Let's pretend that I run a mega-alliance. I have a long track record of using any meta-game tool or in-game mechanic to further my end goals.
One point I don't have complete control over is the Eve forums. I do have a vast army of propagandists ready to attack or overwhelm with sheer numbers any posts or posters that I deem dangerous to my end goals. But still, posts and posters can get through that impeded my ability to win the mindshare war.
But suddenly, CCP has afforded me an opportunity to actually censor out these posts, even get the posters banned! Perfect! I instruct my propaganda team to apply en masse, but with alts in NPC corps, on clean accounts that can't be tied to my alliance. That way, complaints of bias cannot be proven. Through sheer volumes of applications, I will get a large number of "volunteers" on this new censorship team. If I am lucky, may even gain control of the majority of the censorship team "volunteers". I can then begin to eliminate any dissenting voices on the forums, and I am one step closer to my my end goals, whatever they are.
But Navigator, you guys at CCP are going see right through this, and stonewall my plans by close tabs on the editing patterns of my infiltrators, and you are going to catch all of them......sure you will.
Oh, and btw, I fully expect to be banned July 12th, as I am sure that some eager "volunteer", with absolutely NO ties whatsoever to ANY null sec alliance, will have dredged up a list of my past posts. Even through the new rules kick in July 12th, I am sure that the evidence brought to the attention of CCP will be so overwhelming that I post rumours and say bad things about null sec alliances and sometimes about lead devs who did the goon presentation at Fanfest 2007, that some GM will examine the "evidence", and ban me retroactively.
That's a grim scenario you're painting, but there are a couple of problems with it, such as the fact that we're not going to be hiring people on brand new accounts with no experience in EVE, so applying like that really isn't an option. Also, why call this a censorship team, is there any need for that? We're sorry if this upsets you, but it's still going to happen, change is inevitable. We will be keeping an eye on it and if anything strange happens, it will be investigated. If anything is found that needs our involvement, we'll step in, that's the procedure. Finally, I don't think anyone will be looking for old posts to action on, so there should be little need to worry about that. Forward is the way.
First off, I did not say they were new NPC alt accounts, only NPC ALT accounts. Sesondly, 5 minutes ago, in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=123186&p=3, ISD Stensson not only locked the thread, but COMPLETELY removed posts illustrating the very potential grim scenario I described So yeah, censorship is the PRECISE word to be used. Removing statements from media IS censorship. |
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