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TravelBuoy wrote:

CCP Soundwave wrote:

Hey guys

Due to some of the tasks being fairly complex and time consuming, we've had to move some of the items into next week. We're still committed to shipping fixes every week till this works, all this means is that they'll take a few days longer.

The team will continue to churn through items and on Monday I'll do another blog detailing the next steps so you guys can follow the process.

Just read this what i wrote earlier and fix it. This is the most important part for easy looting.

"#217 Posted: 2012.06.01 12:06 | Report | Edited by: TravelBuoy
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The inventory is still crap. LOL

This is not separated and compact window. Nothing happened just CCP hide the treepanel, now that is the default setting when someone open a inventory window.

But, let's check out, what happening when a pilot click to overview icon (open cargo) to looting a wreck.

First, open ship cargo.This is opened our ship cargohold with closed treepanel. All right !!! First step is fine, maybe they fixed this thing, i'm said. Now we dont see treepanel,maybe we got separated active cargoholds, but let's check it out, what will happen when we click to overview icon ? Loot script starting to work, our ship moving to wreck and voil+m we lost our opened active ship cargohold view, when the script starting to open a wreck window. LOL
This is a nightmare. CCP guys i still don't understand why not open the opened wreck in another separated inventory windows for easy loot ?
This should enable opportunity to the old and new inventory playstyle for players.

If someone want use the new inventory he not need to open his active ship's cargo hold,he just need to open the wrecks and he could be looting with drag&drop to treepanel.
But who want to use old method with separated windows, he need open his separated cargohold first and when a wreck open in a new windows he could be use as the old inventory worked earlier with drag&drop function to drop loots from one window to other window.

But, now we got a plus click, because we need to open the tree panel for drop there our loot (or we need to use the old drag&drop method those loots to cargohold icon on GUI) because wreck windows closed our opened calrgoholds and use the same window where was our cargobay earlier with closed treeview.
No separated windows here, no multiwindows for easy loot.

It's too hard for create a programcode which opening my cargo hold and wreck with two separated windows ?

WTF wrong with you CCP guys ?"

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disasteur Tellcomtec Incorporated. Preatoriani 142	Posted - 2012.06.01 09:34:00 - [211] - Quote MotherMoon wrote: Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote: Wilma Lawson wrote: Skelf Scunner wrote: And you do? I don't know how things work for CCP and for this particular patch, but I do know software development processes. No, you don't. It's probably very likely that CCP **** with the database schema in order to get this crapfest ready, thus their reluctance to roll it back on top of their preexisting cowardliness when approaching problems. However, they can still roll it back because they can script the UI to only use the information it needs, and then add any missing fields back in. I honestly don't know why the ** they're still pushing ahead with it. Nobody wants it, and I've found myself playing other games that have a working UI. lol, are you trying to say people play eve for the UI? the most hated aspect about part of eve since it's release? you must be rollin, the new UI isn't good yet, but the old items ui wasn't good either. not by a long shot. he isnt saying he plays the game because of the UI, just that he now playing games that have a good functioning one.. and please explain so i will understand... why wasnt the old UI not good? i mean the old one could use a facelift but further more it did its job

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 1308	Posted - 2012.06.01 10:07:00 - [212] - Quote Update! We added some extra stuff today: We've fixed the issue with missing items in the hangar We've fixed the issue where you couldn't open the corporate hangar if you only had query roles We're working on putting together the patch for next week, but communication might be a bit sketchy since I'm in a room with the CSM all day :) We'll try and get something out today, otherwise expect a devblog on Monday regarding the next round of changes!

Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 405	Posted - 2012.06.01 10:17:00 - [213] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Update! We added some extra stuff today: We've fixed the issue with missing items in the hangar We've fixed the issue where you couldn't open the corporate hangar if you only had query roles We're working on putting together the patch for next week, but communication might be a bit sketchy since I'm in a room with the CSM all day :) We'll try and get something out today, otherwise expect a devblog on Monday regarding the next round of changes! Mr. Soundwave: I do not want to wait till you "get something out" some day. I want to play the game I pay for. But CCP has ruined the game. Check my online times.. I do not play EVE since 22.05.2012 more than a few minutes per day; but I have to pay? BRING BACK THE OLD UI! Do not talk to the CSM; they cant do anything anyway. Listen to your customers who wants the old UI back. The 100% copy or the original UI. Not this fubar Arrow- Crapsh!t of Unified Inventory. THIS project must die! No single window where you need several windows, adjustable in size and position. WITHOUT any Shortcuts! JUST double clicks on icons and items. NOTHING ELSE! I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg
Noriko Mai 434	Posted - 2012.06.01 10:27:00 - [214] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Update! We added some extra stuff today: We've fixed the issue with missing items in the hangar We've fixed the issue where you couldn't open the corporate hangar if you only had query roles We're working on putting together the patch for next week, but communication might be a bit sketchy since I'm in a room with the CSM all day :) We'll try and get something out today, otherwise expect a devblog on Monday regarding the next round of changes! Good work CCP. Keep the updates coming.
disasteur Tellcomtec Incorporated. Preatoriani 142	Posted - 2012.06.01 10:48:00 - [215] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Update! We added some extra stuff today: We've fixed the issue with missing items in the hangar We've fixed the issue where you couldn't open the corporate hangar if you only had query roles We're working on putting together the patch for next week, but communication might be a bit sketchy since I'm in a room with the CSM all day :) We'll try and get something out today, otherwise expect a devblog on Monday regarding the next round of changes! all day? doing what? playing diablo ?

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 1308	Posted - 2012.06.01 10:50:00 - [216] - Quote disasteur wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: Update! We added some extra stuff today: We've fixed the issue with missing items in the hangar We've fixed the issue where you couldn't open the corporate hangar if you only had query roles We're working on putting together the patch for next week, but communication might be a bit sketchy since I'm in a room with the CSM all day :) We'll try and get something out today, otherwise expect a devblog on Monday regarding the next round of changes! all day? doing what? playing diablo ? I wish!

TravelBuoy Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 51	Posted - 2012.06.01 11:03:00 - [217] - Quote 1.0.6 " Shortcuts to open Inventory locations will now open those locations in a new separate window. The text color in the tree index view of the Unified Inventory is now the same as in other places in the EVE UI, making it more readable when the Inventory is pinned or something other than the default color. Items, Ships, Corporation Divisions and Delivery Inventory windows will now remain open in a station if the user leaves them open when undocking and redocking. Shift click will now focus on or toggle open/closed other windows. POS structures are now grouped into one of four categories in the Unified Inventory tree view: GG#DefensesGG%, GG#IndustryGG%, StorageGG% and GG#InfrastructureGG%. Fixed an issue where users could not see items in their items or ships hangar." But still not see in patchnotes, separated and compact windows without tree, for Active ship's Cargobay,Ship Hangar, Corp Hangars and still not see options for creating or drag&drop availability for this new separated windows icons to neocom.
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 405	Posted - 2012.06.01 11:23:00 - [218] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: disasteur wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: Update! We added some extra stuff today: We've fixed the issue with missing items in the hangar We've fixed the issue where you couldn't open the corporate hangar if you only had query roles We're working on putting together the patch for next week, but communication might be a bit sketchy since I'm in a room with the CSM all day :) We'll try and get something out today, otherwise expect a devblog on Monday regarding the next round of changes! all day? doing what? playing diablo ? I wish! Do you troll your customer CCP Soundwave? Did you not mentioned, that it would be possible to drag windows out of the UI again? Not implemented? Just a shortcut sh!t? I do not want to have shortcuts to open my inventory / ship / containers etc. I want to double click at them and a new window MUST pop up by default! Absolute no improvement CCP. Fail again. Give me my money back! I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg
Rommiee Mercury Inc. 222	Posted - 2012.06.01 11:30:00 - [219] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Shortcuts to open Inventory locations will now open those locations in a new separate window. Well, if you can code a shortcut to open a new window, then you can code a button to do the same. Reinstate the ships, items & Corp hanger buttons, and open them in a new window, tree view minimised by default. At the same time, reinstate the right click shortcuts to open hangers in new windows (fuel bay, ships bay, Ships Corp hanger, drone bay, ore hold. Again tree view minimised by default. This would go a long way to stemming the floods of rage and disgust that are aiming in your direction at the moment. Stop trying to fiddle around to get this rubbish to work the way you want, producing failed patch after failed patch. Get it to work the way WE want. It REALLY cannot be that difficult to do. Just suck it up and do it FFS.
TravelBuoy Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 51	Posted - 2012.06.01 11:31:00 - [220] - Quote Callidus Dux wrote: Do you troll your customer CCP Soundwave? Did you not mentioned, that it would be possible to drag windows out of the UI again? Not implemented? Just a shortcut sh!t? I do not want to have shortcuts to open my inventory / ship / containers etc. I want to double click at them and a new window MUST pop up by default! Absolute no improvement CCP. Fail again. Give me my money back! Just as i wrote here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1391162#post1391162 "Sry but we dont wanna learning more 1245 shortcuts. We have enough. CCP guys think about it, this is the easiest way for new users ? For new user enough hard to learn this complex game without shortcuts combination memorizing. CCP why want confuse the new players more ? Hard to memorizing for newbees the all shiptypes ,faction damages,agent rules, other important rules, ammo types, how work a gun in optimal and falloff range, what is the tracking speed and Radial velocity, overview settings, scanning etc. Really they want to learning what is the 45723472nd shortcut function ? Give a chance for us to creating icons to Neocom for this windows with separated mode. Thats would be the best solution and could avoid to shortcuts with one click..."

Disdaine 367	Posted - 2012.06.01 11:51:00 - [221] - Quote Thought I'd try salvaging a mission again, yay Silence the Informant, might find an arbie hml or two. Redo the positioning of item hangar, cargo bay, and ship hangar for both accounts again. Open first can, opens in base window, minimise tree, resize, loot all, still jumps back to ships cargo instead of closing window. Open inventory, now resets my cargo bay to default tree view and size. Try to shift click out cargo hold again, closes inventory. Ok still ****. Try some more cans, double click, same behaviour, loot all, resets to base inventory. Shift double click a can, loot all, well me it actually closes. So now instead of double clicking every can you have to shift click them. Unfortunately the now broken seperated cargo hold is a bigger issue. Right click to open cargo container in new window from tree view, closes inventory. :excellence: I'll try again next week. Took the standings hit instead of bothering to finish mission. Oops, 6 days to plex account, oh well. Of course you could make me happy and roll this ** back, never happen though, too many red faces. Normally in past weeks I'd just say oh well CCP happened, I'll just go find some c-type invulns in Heimatar/Metropolis with my Loki/Tengu team, but now it looks like we've got the weekend to enjoy the now broken seperated cargo hold. Before you could have the cargo hold seperated and pinned at a small size and still open a new inventory window with alt+c, now it just closes and reopens the small pinned cargo bay. Just thought I'd point out how awesome it is having isk values on my ship hangar, I'd allways wanted a way to overvalue my hulls without taking mods into consideration. How about 2 little buttons next to icons/details/list view buttons to toggle isk view/item count and filter box, then merge the capacity into that same bar. Another inch of screen clawed back.
TravelBuoy Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 51	Posted - 2012.06.01 12:06:00 - [222] - Quote The inventory is still crap. LOL This is not separated and compact window. Nothing happened just CCP hide the treepanel, now that is the default setting when someone open a inventory window. But, let's check out, what happening when a pilot click to overview icon (open cargo) to looting a wreck. First, open ship cargo.This is opened our ship cargohold with closed treepanel. All right !!! First step is fine, maybe they fixed this thing, i'm said. Now we dont see treepanel,maybe we got separated active cargoholds, but let's check it out, what will happen when we click to overview icon ? Loot script starting to work, our ship moving to wreck and voil+m we lost our opened active ship cargohold view, when the script starting to open a wreck window. LOL This is a nightmare. CCP guys i still don't understand why not open the opened wreck in another separated inventory windows for easy loot ? This should enable opportunity to the old and new inventory playstyle for players. If someone want use the new inventory he not need to open his active ship's cargo hold,he just need to open the wrecks and he could be looting with drag&drop to treepanel. But who want to use old method with separated windows, he need open his separated cargohold first and when a wreck open in a new windows he could be use as the old inventory worked earlier with drag&drop function to drop loots from one window to other window. But, now we got a plus click, because we need to open the tree panel for drop there our loot (or we need to use the old drag&drop method those loots to cargohold icon on GUI) because wreck windows closed our opened calrgoholds and use the same window where was our cargobay earlier with closed treeview. No separated windows here, no multiwindows for easy loot. It's too hard for create a programcode which opening my cargo hold and wreck with two separated windows ? WTF wrong with you CCP guys ?
Arco Arachni Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 13	Posted - 2012.06.01 12:15:00 - [223] - Quote Thx for those POS categories... still having 23 of them in the same category (industry) ... could you please step one layer deeper and group them by type. Shift clicking an Array / Lab / Hangar in the tree should open another window .. nothing happens now. I need to shift click a specific division ... shift click should open new window, while the systems needs to remember, which division was open last time .. that would be really useful. I dont know how the others experience the following. If you adopt the windows explorer style ... then just adopt it completely ant not only half of that, what everybody is used to. I always click the arrows to navigate through the tree... when clicking on the names right to the arrows I expect the content window to show the content of that array (again rememberingthe last used division) instead the whol tree has no real function as long you arrived at the last element in the tree. I like, that the shift clicked windows remember their position / stacking status. Could you please add the layout to this memory functions. I choose different size of buttons in the windows due to different tasks. I dont want the whole inventory system using the option I changed last, to any window it has. Moving 500 Blueprints from hangar A to hangar B still stops the client to respond. I understand completely, that it may cant be done within a second. But why does it needs to freeze the whole client. Cant that be done in the background, giving my other tasks higher priority? So I could write evemails or something like that in the meantime. Its really frustrating, especially if oyu make the fault, to move items, while two clients are looking into the used divisions .. it freezes them both. That's it for now. I like, that you wok on the things, and I like what you did so far .. but there is more to do, until it really gets better than the old one. This far, I only see us moving towards "to be nearly as good as the old one was" ...
Urgg Boolean Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 154	Posted - 2012.06.01 12:17:00 - [224] - Quote Tested on SiSi, and now I see the changes on TQ: Some pluses: - performance getting better with each wave of updates. - there is some in-station efficiency when xferring items between "items" and audit containers using tree mode. More work needed: - Salvaging : I am still getting momentary screen freezes upon "loot all". Not really where is was prior to new UI. - market/pricing info is still bloating up the windows - one suggestions is an auto on/off switch: if the native market window is open, then and only then, provide the price info in the cargo/container windows. If a market window is NOT open, then I don't need, want or like the price info bloating up my windows. - lag and screen freezing are still obvious when sorting/stacking/xferring, although definitely improved. I don't work with a POS. I'll be interested to hear what the POS owners have to say. inefficiencies: - Refining and/or reprocessing :: if you run the numbers and display the potential results prior to running the job, why then is each item processed one at a time? If you already calculated and displayed the results - simply deliver those results without a second (visible) pass that hits each item, one at a time and removes it from the list. - Stacking: we can still see the visual of the cargo contents increasing in size and subsequently shrinking when being sorted/stacked. This means that the sorting process has still got hot triggers firing in other subroutines (like the container size calculations and display). Wouldn't it be more efficient to process the stacking-juggling in a "virtual" array that is disconnected from other triggers and subroutines? Then when that array is processed, do one single refresh that displays the stacked list. The container contents size remains the same as you are only stacking, so why do those calculation with hot triggers being invoked? All this optimization you are doing now should have been in SiSi, where the work could have been scheduled in an efficient fashion. You are fighting fires in reactionary mode - always burns up resources more than planning. And you have earned the wrath of the playerbase at the same time. So please, do not subject us users to this kind of thing again. It's bad business (man power allocation), bad computer science, and bad public relations. I challenge you - improve your work processes so that this kind of debacle never happens again.
Leucy Kerastase JFT SYSTEMS 14	Posted - 2012.06.01 12:21:00 - [225] - Quote Thanks for the shortcuts. Some requests : Please let each window remember their display & sort mode. The windows seem to share the same configuration (icon/list/details & name/quantity/type). That is, the last change I made to these settings seems to be applied to any window opened/re-opened after that. I used to be able to set each windows display/sort mode to my liking. I would like to be able to do that again. Also, the tree show/hide status should be remembered for each window too, regardless of how they were opened. I know that these shortcuts were re-implemented to recover previous behavior so it's perfectly understandable that it hides the tree view by default. But yet, these tree view and filters are actually very useful in some cases (especially for my cluttered item hangar in my case) and it would be nice if I didn't have to manually reveal it every time I use it. I hope I'm not asking too much. Looking forward to the next iteration.
Disdaine 367	Posted - 2012.06.01 12:24:00 - [226] - Quote Quote: We have been listening carefully to the feedback we have been hearing from the community and as a result... You've managed to break seperated cargo holds in another untested CCP enema.
Panhead4411 Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge 92	Posted - 2012.06.01 12:25:00 - [227] - Quote STILL. BROKEN. PERIOD. Again, i stated numerous times, how many instances of my cargo hold do i really need? When i am fleeted with orca, or using POS...what happens with all the hangers i have shift clicked they they/i go off grid....they all become a copy of my ships cargohold...again, WHY!!!?!?!?!?!? They used to close...then remember where they were located when opened next...sersously, its not that hard to understand, is it? Also, can you please please please seperate the 'open/closed' behavior of the Space Window from the Station window. I'm tired of docking the orca (or any other ship) and being forced to close all my shift clicked windows before i can get the main Station Window to open where i last had it. And can we PLEASE have the "ship" tree collapsed by default...not many ppl seem to be using that anyways...too hard to figure out which is which. Please listen, we beg you. http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing -a-a < Unified Inventory is NOT ready...
Disdaine 367	Posted - 2012.06.01 12:29:00 - [228] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: We're working on putting together the patch for next week, but communication might be a bit sketchy since I'm in a room with the CSM all day :) Quote: UI Session We saw mockups of some nice general UI improvements. There was an extensive discussion of the Unified Inventory situation, and it is very clear that CCP is very focused on getting it right. The lessons learned from this deployment and CCP's response to it are clearly being taken to heart. The rapid iteration on Unified Inventory is very encouraging. Guess you learned nothing from the ship hangar issue.
Rommiee Mercury Inc. 222	Posted - 2012.06.01 12:47:00 - [229] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: I challenge you - improve your work processes so that this kind of debacle never happens again. They said that they had learned their lesson after Incarna. LetGGVs think back.... 1. Introduced a badly flawed design on to SISI that pretty much no one wanted. 2. Totally ignored the hails of protest from the people who tested it on SISI 3. Brought it into TQ anyway and pretended to be surprised at all the complaints and outrage to hit them 4. Said, sorry itGGVs here to stay, canGGVt roll it back itGGVs too complicated 5. Finally did roll it back The only difference being that they have not rolled it back this time. Clearly not enough people have unsubbed to stir them into that action. So, obviously HilmarGGVs letter of apology after Incarna was a pile of crap. "A Humbler, Stronger CCP" my ass
Temmu Guerra Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 70	Posted - 2012.06.01 13:16:00 - [230] - Quote Rommiee wrote: Urgg Boolean wrote: I challenge you - improve your work processes so that this kind of debacle never happens again. They said that they had learned their lesson after Incarna. LetGGVs think back.... 1. Introduced a badly flawed design on to SISI that pretty much no one wanted. 2. Totally ignored the hails of protest from the people who tested it on SISI 3. Brought it into TQ anyway and pretended to be surprised at all the complaints and outrage to hit them 4. Said, sorry itGGVs here to stay, canGGVt roll it back itGGVs too complicated 5. Finally did roll it back The only difference being that they have not rolled it back this time. Clearly not enough people have unsubbed to stir them into that action. So, obviously HilmarGGVs letter of apology after Incarna was a pile of crap. "A Humbler, Stronger CCP" my ass Your trying to compare the atomic bomb to a hand grenade. WiS was a completely different situation and those trying to draw a line of connection are crazy

Rommiee Mercury Inc. 222	Posted - 2012.06.01 13:21:00 - [231] - Quote Temmu Guerra wrote: Rommiee wrote: Urgg Boolean wrote: I challenge you - improve your work processes so that this kind of debacle never happens again. They said that they had learned their lesson after Incarna. LetGGVs think back.... 1. Introduced a badly flawed design on to SISI that pretty much no one wanted. 2. Totally ignored the hails of protest from the people who tested it on SISI 3. Brought it into TQ anyway and pretended to be surprised at all the complaints and outrage to hit them 4. Said, sorry itGGVs here to stay, canGGVt roll it back itGGVs too complicated 5. Finally did roll it back The only difference being that they have not rolled it back this time. Clearly not enough people have unsubbed to stir them into that action. So, obviously HilmarGGVs letter of apology after Incarna was a pile of crap. "A Humbler, Stronger CCP" my ass Your trying to compare the atomic bomb to a hand grenade. WiS was a completely different situation and those trying to draw a line of connection are crazy The processes they went through are identical. No lessons learned.

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 1308	Posted - 2012.06.01 13:48:00 - [232] - Quote Hey guys Due to some of the tasks being fairly complex and time consuming, we've had to move some of the items into next week. We're still committed to shipping fixes every week till this works, all this means is that they'll take a few days longer. The team will continue to churn through items and on Monday I'll do another blog detailing the next steps so you guys can follow the process.

TravelBuoy Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 51	Posted - 2012.06.01 13:51:00 - [233] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Hey guys Due to some of the tasks being fairly complex and time consuming, we've had to move some of the items into next week. We're still committed to shipping fixes every week till this works, all this means is that they'll take a few days longer. The team will continue to churn through items and on Monday I'll do another blog detailing the next steps so you guys can follow the process. Just read this what i wrote earlier and fix it. This is the most important part for easy looting. "#217 Posted: 2012.06.01 12:06 \| Report \| Edited by: TravelBuoy 3 The inventory is still crap. LOL This is not separated and compact window. Nothing happened just CCP hide the treepanel, now that is the default setting when someone open a inventory window. But, let's check out, what happening when a pilot click to overview icon (open cargo) to looting a wreck. First, open ship cargo.This is opened our ship cargohold with closed treepanel. All right !!! First step is fine, maybe they fixed this thing, i'm said. Now we dont see treepanel,maybe we got separated active cargoholds, but let's check it out, what will happen when we click to overview icon ? Loot script starting to work, our ship moving to wreck and voil+m we lost our opened active ship cargohold view, when the script starting to open a wreck window. LOL This is a nightmare. CCP guys i still don't understand why not open the opened wreck in another separated inventory windows for easy loot ? This should enable opportunity to the old and new inventory playstyle for players. If someone want use the new inventory he not need to open his active ship's cargo hold,he just need to open the wrecks and he could be looting with drag&drop to treepanel. But who want to use old method with separated windows, he need open his separated cargohold first and when a wreck open in a new windows he could be use as the old inventory worked earlier with drag&drop function to drop loots from one window to other window. But, now we got a plus click, because we need to open the tree panel for drop there our loot (or we need to use the old drag&drop method those loots to cargohold icon on GUI) because wreck windows closed our opened calrgoholds and use the same window where was our cargobay earlier with closed treeview. No separated windows here, no multiwindows for easy loot. It's too hard for create a programcode which opening my cargo hold and wreck with two separated windows ? WTF wrong with you CCP guys ?"

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 1308	Posted - 2012.06.01 14:07:00 - [234] - Quote TravelBuoy wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: Hey guys Due to some of the tasks being fairly complex and time consuming, we've had to move some of the items into next week. We're still committed to shipping fixes every week till this works, all this means is that they'll take a few days longer. The team will continue to churn through items and on Monday I'll do another blog detailing the next steps so you guys can follow the process. Just read this what i wrote earlier and fix it. This is the most important part for easy looting. "#217 Posted: 2012.06.01 12:06 \| Report \| Edited by: TravelBuoy 3 The inventory is still crap. LOL This is not separated and compact window. Nothing happened just CCP hide the treepanel, now that is the default setting when someone open a inventory window. But, let's check out, what happening when a pilot click to overview icon (open cargo) to looting a wreck. First, open ship cargo.This is opened our ship cargohold with closed treepanel. All right !!! First step is fine, maybe they fixed this thing, i'm said. Now we dont see treepanel,maybe we got separated active cargoholds, but let's check it out, what will happen when we click to overview icon ? Loot script starting to work, our ship moving to wreck and voil+m we lost our opened active ship cargohold view, when the script starting to open a wreck window. LOL This is a nightmare. CCP guys i still don't understand why not open the opened wreck in another separated inventory windows for easy loot ? This should enable opportunity to the old and new inventory playstyle for players. If someone want use the new inventory he not need to open his active ship's cargo hold,he just need to open the wrecks and he could be looting with drag&drop to treepanel. But who want to use old method with separated windows, he need open his separated cargohold first and when a wreck open in a new windows he could be use as the old inventory worked earlier with drag&drop function to drop loots from one window to other window. But, now we got a plus click, because we need to open the tree panel for drop there our loot (or we need to use the old drag&drop method those loots to cargohold icon on GUI) because wreck windows closed our opened calrgoholds and use the same window where was our cargobay earlier with closed treeview. No separated windows here, no multiwindows for easy loot. It's too hard for create a programcode which opening my cargo hold and wreck with two separated windows ? WTF wrong with you CCP guys ?" This is a non-issue. When you open the first wreck, you minimize the tree view and it remembers that setting (next wreck you open will be opened in the minimized view). There are a lot more pressing issues than something like this.

Meytal School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.06.01 14:12:00 - [235] - Quote Greetings Soundwave, First off, thank you for continuing to read and respond in these threads where you are not a very popular person and do not have an enviable position right now. And also let me say that you and I both know that no matter how you answer or don't answer my next question, people are going to complain. If you ignore it and don't provide us any info, people will complain. If you answer and then have to change your decisions, people will complain. If you answer and give an answer people don't like, people will complain. You haven't placed yourselves in a very good situation :) The difference if you do respond will be the people who try to support you because you're trying to be open about some of this. There has been a disappointing lack of openness with this whole Inventory so far, so making positive advances in that direction will really help. From all the changes suggested in all of the threads that have been created about the new Inventory fiasco: 1) What are the suggestions that you have investigated, accepted, and are currently in some stage of development? 2) What are the suggestions that you are willing to investigate but have not yet had a chance to do so? 3) What are the suggestions that you have investigated and have determined just are not possible at this time? 4) What are the suggestions that you are not willing to implement for whatever reason? I do have one more question to which I don't really expect an answer: is there any way that you guys would consider using the "BETA" testing feature that you used with the Neocom for future large projects like this? People are dropping subs and your numbers are already still low from Monocolegate. However if the people dropping their subs know that changes which are very important to them are still on the table, they might stick it out a little longer. See, after all of the cries to revert to the previous functionality, the next biggest complaint is being in the dark about all of this. Many of us know that you can't just snap your fingers and new code emerges; if you do release code that quickly, you end up with something like this inventory :) We just want to know the big picture, understanding that it can always change. Most of your customers are suffering under the battered wife syndrome. They know this, you know this, and you know you can keep taking advantage of this. But please ... don't? Thank you for reading my request. -M
Cerulean Ice EVE University Ivy League 27	Posted - 2012.06.01 14:13:00 - [236] - Quote Is there any way to make corp hangars not take forever to load? Waiting a few minutes for it to show up on the tree is really annoying. The division names don't even show up until they're all loaded, which makes the whole thing feel super laggy. The old tabs were much much easier to work with. Can we have those back please?

CCP Soundwave C C P C C P Alliance 1308	Posted - 2012.06.01 14:20:00 - [237] - Quote Cerulean Ice wrote: Is there any way to make corp hangars not take forever to load? Waiting a few minutes for it to show up on the tree is really annoying. The division names don't even show up until they're all loaded, which makes the whole thing feel super laggy. The old tabs were much much easier to work with. Can we have those back please? Yep, performance fixes are going out every week, this one will be fixed too.

Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 405	Posted - 2012.06.01 14:26:00 - [238] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Hey guys Due to some of the tasks being fairly complex and time consuming, we've had to move some of the items into next week. We're still committed to shipping fixes every week till this works, all this means is that they'll take a few days longer. The team will continue to churn through items and on Monday I'll do another blog detailing the next steps so you guys can follow the process. Can we please have a big road map? I have absolute no idea what kind of improvements CCP is willing to implement back in this horrible UI. Will it be possible to re implement the seperate windows (adjustable in size and position); rightcklick menues; icons at the NeoCom to be short; have our 100% copy of our old UI back? I have no idea what you are planning and I do not like to be uninformed. If I must cancel my subscription I would like to know If I should do it now or wait, till CCP has re implemented the main features of the old UI and can hope to play EVE again. So please tell us all what CCP is planning. Just to state "There will be many functions you really like." is not enough and does not work anymore! I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg
SoHo White Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium 20	Posted - 2012.06.01 14:27:00 - [239] - Quote Maybe you've covered this already : I open the inventory window and select Corporation Hangers, I select one that has a dozen containers (which all get listed in the tree view) when I attempt to open any of them from the right hand pane it actually opens the active ships cargo ! When I use the tree view and double click on the Container name it tells me "Nothing Found". I can view the container logs and I know they have contents I can also repeat these steps on container in my personal hanger and they work fine. Please fix quick !!!!
Karsus101 Zoo Industries 0	Posted - 2012.06.01 14:35:00 - [240] - Quote Major bug..... Have issue with secure containers in corp hangers. All show as empty. If place new item in corp hanger it shows up, but if move to secure container it does not show/disappears. If create new secure container in item hanger, can put stuff in and is ok. Once move to corp hanger the container shows empty, move back it's ok. If move container from corp to personal hanger items show.


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