What's a "play style"?

No, they do not realise it was meant to be a tutorial area.

All the issues involved with hisec currently stem from it not functioning properly as a tutorial & neutral market area.

It's impossible to balance the safety and income for older players between security levels so that everyone is happy.

1. If you leave it as it is, everybody whines (high reward, uncontrollable risk)
2. If you buff safety to satisfy carebears, rest of EVE whines
3. If you nerf income to satisfy rest of EVE, carebears whine

it would be great to have 4. Buff the income outside hisec, but this would probably break EVE.

When it's fixed and established as a tutorial area, these problems cease to exist. New players plan their tutorial time with the mindset that they will eventually leave the cradle.

How to do this, and what it would do subscriber counts does not interest me.

Problem is as stated above, and I see only two solutions. CCP can either ignore the whine (will work fine, forum whiners are not really important in the grand scheme) or completely change the mechanics of NPC corps and hisec, content & feature balancing will never completely solve the issues.

No, they do not realise it was meant to be a tutorial area.

The whiners think it's a PVE server in the middle of the sandbox.

Its not just a tutorial area, can you show me where it says that in the official documentation ?

The high security areas are the safer places at which to start, until you are ready to venture into the more aggressive areas of the game.

What other purpose would it serve in a sandbox game?

What other purpose would it serve in a sandbox game?

What other purpose would it serve in a sandbox game?

I cant be asked to answer dumb questions.

Define "these" please.

The gankers aren't hurting the game, you guys who insist on complaining about them are. You're the biggest detriment to the growth of EVE in the playerbase. You guys come to the game, know what the game is about, and still insist on bitching when someone shoots you. And then to top it off, you try to insinuate that they shot you by somehow getting around a mechanic in the game that's supposed to keep you from getting killed; further purpetrating the myth that the game is full of nothing but gankers.

To offer different buckets and spades.

Read the responses in this thread that may give you a clue.

You were asked to clarify your statement. What do you mean by a "play style" in this context?

The buckets and spades are identical in all EVE with a handful of combat ability -related exceptions, which exist to keep hisec a safer area for new players to learn the game.



There is no consensus in this thread.

The buckets and spades are identical in all EVE

Can you point to the part were it says that other players can't target or shoot you in the "tutorial zones"?

Can you point to the part were it says that other players can't target or shoot you in the "tutorial zones"?

Nope, some ppl think they know , and are biased towards there own play style. Everyone complains when they think its tipped towards the play style of someone else..

No, I can't. You can target and shoot most things everywhere in EVE. To protect the new players while they learn the game, CCP has created CONCORD, a concept that introduces a level of security in the starter areas without breaking the idea of a sandbox.

It protects the new players by making it less than sensible to shoot players in cheap ships.

Or maybe you can tell what is my "play style"?

It has been stated over and over that you can't can bait newbies, gank etc etc etc newbies in the starter systems.
of which there are what 8 or 12 in game all 1.0 systems.

Those are the ONLY systems systems that players are protected and are considered tutorial zones.

Every other system in game is a free for all.
High-sec is NOT a newbie area, if it was burn Jita, hulkageddon, ganking, war-dec's etc etc etc would not be allowed in High-sec.
The only thing you are guaranteed in High-sec is that if someone shoots you without a war dec they will lose their ship.
That is it, NOTHING else.

You are still referring to some obscure "play style" concepts like they would mean anything to other people.

Or maybe you can tell what is my "play style"?

It's ok, really, no need to explain further. You don't like the fact that i poked a hole through your statement and since you can not argue it any further you have to question the reasoning behind my question. Perfectly understood. Now unless you have any proof that i side with either bears or gankers lets just move along. Thanks.

6 years ago I did the tutorial. I can't be expected to remember how a system worked 6 years ago.
I can't even be expected to bathe properly today.

To protect the new players while they learn the game, CCP has created CONCORD

It protects the new players by making it less than sensible to shoot players in cheap ships.

No not really, I can see from your posts that no one can tell you anything, so whats the point.

Obscure concept,

Tal

Or then you just realised that here is no such thing outside your small mind, and try to cover your obvious inability to convey your simple thoughts of what it could be by zero-content unfunny replies.

Well the odds of you or anyone actually being in a newbie system are well slim to say the least.
Let alone ganking a newbie in that system as they aren't even worth the time.
Something tells me you aren't going to bother with a newbie ship or a T1 frigate fitted with T1 mods carrying around well nothing of value.

The ones that do tend not to last long in this game cause that get warned and banned pretty quickly.

CCP is rather protective of newbie players as they should be.
If there was actual issues in those systems CCP would have locked them down with even more rules by now.

No. That is not what CONCORD does. You are confusing CONCORD with game masters.

Remember the old adage, repeated again and again by CCP: CONCORD provides consequences, not protection.
You're only illustrating yet another false myth about highsec, just like you keep repeating the false myth that highsec is a starter area. It's the repetitions of this kind of nonsense that keeps making highsec that keeps so many issues alive.

No. CONCORD GG#protectsGG% everyone by ensuring that all aggression in highsec comes at a costGG* and again, it's not actual protection.

Protection (of a non-player kind) only exists in the tutorial systems (and there, it comes in the form of harsher rules and nasty ebil GMs). It does not exist in highsec beyond what players can create for themselves.