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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 09:02:00 -
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Thank you, ISD, for your entirely one-sided report on Sylph Alliance, detailing how they are achieving great success despite losing half their members. It reads like an internal propaganda post on their forums.
Was this writted, perchance, by an ISD correspondent from Sylph alliance? And might it be worth noting this for the wider audience?
Traditionally, when 'news' is reported, it is balanced by viewpoints from oppoosing sides. It is not just 'propoganda' from a single entity.
And, so, I struggle to understand how the following story can be considered newsworthy or balanced:
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3273&tid=7
Comedy value: high Factual content: low
Seriously, get a clue and balance your reports with opposing viewpoints. And, maybe, facts. I know that is more effort, but it saves you looking terrible.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Cippalippus Primus
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.07 09:07:00 -
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Thank you ISD for your fair and balanced reporting. Especially the part that claimed that Ushra'Khan has absolutely, undeniably no importance in anything that has happened, is happening, and will ever happen. -clp
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SquadBroken
Amarr Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.08.07 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Thank you ISD for your fair and balanced reporting. Especially the part that claimed that Ushra'Khan has absolutely, undeniably no importance in anything that has happened, is happening, and will ever happen.
/thread
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Elftor
Caldari Broski Enterprises Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 09:30:00 -
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1. Post 2 or 3 sentences of roleplaying in your alliances propaganda, and get it to be shown to everyone who logs into eve. 2. ??? 3. Profit.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Thank you ISD for your fair and balanced reporting. Especially the part that claimed that Ushra'Khan has absolutely, undeniably no importance in anything that has happened, is happening, and will ever happen.
I thought you didn't read my posts? stalker ----------
AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Warrio
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.07 09:58:00 -
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I stopped reading those articles when they started reporting news about 100 workers being killed in a factory when the universe population is probably into several trillion.
sXe |
Matthew Fontana
Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: "ISD Najax Lergazin" Despite losing about five hundred capsuleers and an undisclosed number of corporations in just about one month
Number of corporations that have left Sylph alliance in the last month: 14
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Sylph_Alliance/corporations
Originally by: "ISD Najax Lergazin" guards CVA's northern flank
In as much as there can be a 'north' in an internet spaceship game, north is where the Northern Coalition lives. Sylph alliance systems are the eastern frontier of CVA territory.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
And these are merely the examples of factual inaccuracies that are contradicted by publically verifiable objective data.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/08/2009 10:37:49
The news item regarding U'K about a week or so back might be considered to have been nice PR for them, but I don't recall Butter Dog complaining too much about that.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/08/2009 10:37:49
The news item regarding U'K about a week or so back might be considered to have been nice PR for them, but I don't recall Butter Dog complaining too much about that.
That report was balanced by quotes from other parties (including Sylph alliance). It was, to a fair degree, balanced.
This report is just an internal propaganda memo, posted up as news.
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/08/2009 10:37:49
The news item regarding U'K about a week or so back might be considered to have been nice PR for them, but I don't recall Butter Dog complaining too much about that.
That report was balanced by quotes from other parties (including Sylph alliance). It was, to a fair degree, balanced.
This report is just an internal propaganda memo, posted up as news.
The first item also ended by saying that there would be "follow up reports". That's the plural. If you don't like the second article, perhaps the best option would have been to send ISD your side of the the story for use in a future report, rather than screaming about bias on CAOD and thereby possibly annoying the reporter.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
The first item also ended by saying that there would be "follow up reports". That's the plural. If you don't like the second article, perhaps the best option would have been to send ISD your side of the the story for use in a future report, rather than screaming about bias on CAOD and thereby possibly annoying the reporter.
In the majority of ISD reports, they do balance viewpoints by speaking with more than one involved party, to avoid it looking like a propaganda piece.
They managed to do this in the first report perfectly well. Also the 'we will be monitoring this' part at the end is a standard line on all ISD reports pretty much.
It is not a reason to then post blatant one-sided propaganda, with not a single opposing viewpoint to counteract it.
Or are you suggesting they should not post balanced reports, just one-sided propaganda pieces, counteracted by another one-sided propaganda piece a week later? Are you being serious?
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
It is not a reason to then post blatant one-sided propaganda, with not a single opposing viewpoint to counteract it.
Unless you count:
Originally by: ISD
Just a few days ago, Ushra'Khan capsuleers brought Sylph's internal strife to attention by simulcasting a political pamphlet in most parts of Catch, Providence and in the system of Amarr.
While Ushra'Khan's broadcast claimed their military campaign against Sylph was the reason behind the alliance's dwindling numbers...
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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LASER WATCHER
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.07 11:20:00 -
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first the isd reported about how bob's gigantic caploss was meaningless, and i said nothing
then the isd failed to report goonswarm's [insert goonswarm activity here], and yet i still said nothing
then the isd came for me
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Wusti
Caldari The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.08.07 11:25:00 -
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Zero quality post Butter - for stating the bleeding obvious. Since when has ISD News ever been particularly good or timely? Didn't really need a CAOD thread about it sheesh. _______________________
Welcome to The New Era
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Unless you count:
Originally by: ISD
Just a few days ago, Ushra'Khan capsuleers brought Sylph's internal strife to attention by simulcasting a political pamphlet in most parts of Catch, Providence and in the system of Amarr.
While Ushra'Khan's broadcast claimed their military campaign against Sylph was the reason behind the alliance's dwindling numbers...
And even this is factually innacurate, the broadcast made so such assertions :)
ISD is staffed by volunteers so maybe I shouldnt be too harsh, but surely a basic principal of 'news' reporting is balance, and no-one who is being remotely objective can claim the article is balanced in the slightest
don't they have some kind of quality control? Or can I just stick and alt in and then post my internal morale blogs all over the log-in screen? heh, I might apply
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AKA 'Bitter Dog'
Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05 |
Panzram
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:01:00 -
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The ISD has always been terrible BitterDog.
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Scatim Helicon
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:10:00 -
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u mad
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Deus Letus
Gallente Chooch Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Deus Letus on 07/08/2009 13:17:43
Originally by: Butter Dog
ISD is staffed by volunteers so maybe I shouldnt be too harsh, but surely a basic principal of 'news' reporting is balance, and no-one who is being remotely objective can claim the article is balanced in the slightest
Uhm News reports balanced. Where in the hell do you find that? I think Butter Dog needs to start his own Fox News channel.
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Oofig VanDoogan
Gallente Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:42:00 -
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I demand to know who writed this. ----------------------------------------------
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:45:00 -
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I think butter dog is upset with ISD bringing to light how absolutly meaningless his alliance really is. Seems like he is building up to a emorage levels soon.
p.s. "Was this writted<--(insert Written), perchance, by an ISD"
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Yarik Mendel
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.07 14:14:00 -
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ISD, like the rest of Eve, don't care about you and yours.
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Abortion Engine
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.07 14:17:00 -
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If you want accurate reporting submit your own lead.
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Agmar
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.07 14:17:00 -
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Is ISD a Corporation or an Alliance? _____________________ Threat Level Midnight
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ISD Serathu Ashk
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2009.08.07 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Was this writted, perchance, by an ISD correspondent from Sylph alliance? And might it be worth noting this for the wider audience?
I can confirm that the reporter in question has *no* connection with any of the individuals, corporations or alliances involved.
If you have any evidence that leads you to believe otherwise, please direct your concerns to [email protected] rather than making public accusations regarding a hardworking volunteer on my staff.
I'm looking into the concerns about the balance of this article and will post again when I am satisified that I am fully aware of the situation.
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Privavarian
Gallente Black Fury
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Posted - 2009.08.07 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Privavarian on 07/08/2009 14:21:25
Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Butter Dog Was this writted, perchance, by an ISD correspondent from Sylph alliance? And might it be worth noting this for the wider audience?
I can confirm that the reporter in question has *no* connection with any of the individuals, corporations or alliances involved.
If you have any evidence that leads you to believe otherwise, please direct your concerns to [email protected] rather than making public accusations regarding a hardworking volunteer on my staff.
I'm looking into the concerns about the balance of this article and will post again when I am satisified that I am fully aware of the situation.
ISD version of saying the logs show noghting! good game ---- *giggle* |
Artarius Bourn
Caldari Archangels Assault Force Drunk and Stoned
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Posted - 2009.08.07 14:30:00 -
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I would like a job sir. I have pictures of spider man to sell
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BlueKind
Gallente IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.08.07 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: ISD Serathu Ashk
Originally by: Butter Dog Was this writted, perchance, by an ISD correspondent from Sylph alliance? And might it be worth noting this for the wider audience?
I can confirm that the reporter in question has *no* connection with any of the individuals, corporations or alliances involved.
If you have any evidence that leads you to believe otherwise, please direct your concerns to [email protected] rather than making public accusations regarding a hardworking volunteer on my staff.
I'm looking into the concerns about the balance of this article and will post again when I am satisified that I am fully aware of the situation.
OUCH ...i don;t care how thick your skin is..but this will burn.
---- Bluekind
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Phelaen
Amarr Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
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Posted - 2009.08.07 15:24:00 -
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me feels strongly that butterdog needs to get laid
any volunteers? dont be shy.
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Privavarian
Gallente Black Fury
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Posted - 2009.08.07 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Phelaen me feels strongly that butterdog needs to get laid
any volunteers? dont be shy.
me feels strongly that you are suggesting other people to get laid so your virginity wonŠt stand out so much. ---- *giggle* |
Phelaen
Amarr Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
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Posted - 2009.08.07 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Privavarian
Originally by: Phelaen me feels strongly that butterdog needs to get laid
any volunteers? dont be shy.
me feels strongly that you are suggesting other people to get laid so your virginity wonŠt stand out so much.
ooh you got me there.. yes its true, i am clearly the one getting upset about nothing in this thread because i am sexually frustrated.. Thanks Dr Phil
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