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Shivaja
CHON THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:17:00 -
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Ok guys i know is kinda late but hey i just learn that PL are not tournament winners but rather big time tournament cheaters as admitted by one of them on scrapheap.
Quote:Originally Posted by The Monkeysphere Members of PL were actively using a cheat that could locate any person in the game (system and exact station if docked) and give his ship type/ship ID/ship name (even if he was docked) during the two times PL won.
Like anyone gives a ****
Well i actually do care so PL you did not beat us in the finals you cheat us you tournament cheaters You just lost every shred of respect and fall in category of low life loser cheating scum you shall return your medals, prices and disband in shame.
And btw i may be wrong here but was not there in the rules something about banning both teams if they try enter with A and B team. So should not be PL banned as well specially in the light s of such harsh measures taken against Hydra/Outbreak. Or is the reason for it that "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" |
xo3e
The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:27:00 -
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logs show nothing :ccp: Signature removed. Navigator |
Klown Walk
Fat People Lag IRL
92
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Posted - 2012.05.27 10:33:00 -
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Great evidence. Found this on my super secret private forum.
Quote:Originally Posted by Shivaja I use cheats to see everything in a wormhole while docked and it offlines all modules on a ship. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
185
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:21:00 -
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Tinfoil hat |
Roark Garnet
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.05.27 11:42:00 -
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Shivaja wrote:during the two times PL won.
I'll rebel against such blasphemy. We actually have won 3 times.
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Luis Graca
19
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Posted - 2012.05.27 13:33:00 -
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haaaaaaaaaa i never use it but are you sure they weren't using a locator agent? |
michael boltonIII
192
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Posted - 2012.05.27 13:40:00 -
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That's not all The Sphere can do. I hear it can force your client to contract over all of your assets, even if your logged in, like it just takes control of your mouse and does it right in front of you so that there's no way to tell if the sphere did it or if you did it yourself.
Also, The Sphere can reduce the build time on Supers to almost nothing and produce minerals out of thin air. That's how PL built up the largest super fleet in the game. |
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
71
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Posted - 2012.05.27 14:20:00 -
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michael boltonIII wrote:That's not all The Sphere can do. I hear it can force your client to contract over all of your assets, even if your logged in, like it just takes control of your mouse and does it right in front of you so that there's no way to tell if the sphere did it or if you did it yourself.
Also, The Sphere can reduce the build time on Supers to almost nothing and produce minerals out of thin air. That's how PL built up the largest super fleet in the game.
you're* My Latest Video: Freestyle II |
KSUDruid
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2012.05.27 14:37:00 -
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Wow... simply wow
Mind blown |
xo3e
The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED
30
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Posted - 2012.05.27 14:40:00 -
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more like this
http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?6783-CCP-Decision-on-B-Teams&p=464377&viewfull=1#post464377 Signature removed. Navigator |
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Norma Rae
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.27 14:42:00 -
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Shivaja wrote:Ok guys i know is kinda late but hey i just learn that PL are not tournament winners but rather big time tournament cheaters as admitted by one of them on scrapheap. Quote:Originally Posted by The Monkeysphere Members of PL were actively using a cheat that could locate any person in the game (system and exact station if docked) and give his ship type/ship ID/ship name (even if he was docked) during the two times PL won.
Like anyone gives a **** http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?6783-CCP-Decision-on-B-Teams&p=463785&viewfull=1#post463785Well i actually do care so PL you did not beat us in the finals you cheat us you tournament cheaters You just lost every shred of respect and fall in category of low life loser cheating scum you shall return your medals, prices and disband in shame. And btw i may be wrong here but was not there in the rules something about banning both teams if they try enter with A and B team. So should not be PL banned as well specially in the light s of such harsh measures taken against Hydra/Outbreak. Or is the reason for it that "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
Gonna give you a like for this post.
For the sheer stupidity of it.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
238
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Posted - 2012.05.27 14:45:00 -
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KSUDruid wrote:Wow... simply wow
Mind blown Agree with you here:
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3632/screenshotfrom201205271.png
It seems like chances that this was possible are decent. Wow... simply wow |
Cheryl Nome
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:10:00 -
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Kadesh Priestess wrote:
It seems like chances that this was possible are decent. Wow... simply wow
Weirdly enough, the dude got banned .. wow .. simply wow .. |
Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
239
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:16:00 -
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Cheryl Nome wrote:Weirdly enough, the dude got banned .. wow .. simply wow ..
He got banned because of using this one, right? Or maybe b/c of local chat invisibility stuff (which he got from other parties, according to my knowledge)? |
Cheryl Nome
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:18:00 -
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Kadesh Priestess wrote:Cheryl Nome wrote:Weirdly enough, the dude got banned .. wow .. simply wow ..
He got banned because of using this one, right? Or maybe b/c of local chat invisibility stuff (which he got from other parties, according to my knowledge)?
Luckily CCP is keeping on eye on this kind of practice as well as colluding. Finally an AT which will be fair to all. |
KSUDruid
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:19:00 -
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And monkeysphere just keeps on delivering!
God damn |
Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
239
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:21:00 -
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Cheryl Nome wrote:Kadesh Priestess wrote:Cheryl Nome wrote:Weirdly enough, the dude got banned .. wow .. simply wow ..
He got banned because of using this one, right? Or maybe b/c of local chat invisibility stuff (which he got from other parties, according to my knowledge)? Luckily CCP is keeping on eye on this kind of practice as well as colluding. Finally an AT which will be fair to all. I think you didn't read OP. He's talking about past AT (log depicted on screenshot reflects time & ships of PL vs manifest destiny fight from AT7, for example) |
Cheryl Nome
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.27 15:26:00 -
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I think you did not read/understand very well. So the dude got banned 2 year ago, so that's out of the picture. Colluding teams have been banned too. So yeah, a step closer to a fair AT, like it or not. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
732
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Posted - 2012.05.27 22:35:00 -
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Man, monkey doesn't log in for 2 years and still manages to troll people far and wide....
He's not banned and you're all being taken for a ride, hth. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
82
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Posted - 2012.05.27 22:48:00 -
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Yeah I'm not sure why anyone would ever believe anything that guy says ;O |
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
242
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Posted - 2012.05.27 22:50:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Man, monkey doesn't log in for 2 years and still manages to troll people far and wide.... How he dares to talk about 2 and 3 year-old tournaments :O
Thanks for bump, dude.
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
639
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Posted - 2012.05.28 00:01:00 -
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Wow its been ages since anybody has mentioned monkeysphere. |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
82
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Posted - 2012.05.28 09:13:00 -
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Kadesh Priestess wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Man, monkey doesn't log in for 2 years and still manages to troll people far and wide.... How he dares to talk about 2 and 3 year-old tournaments :O Thanks for the bump, dude. Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Yeah I'm not sure why anyone would ever believe anything that guy says ;O You can always ask gobbins: Quote:[4:39:15 AM] Duncan Tanner: the monkeysphere thing is apparently not a troll [4:39:45 AM] Duncan Tanner: according 2 gobbin Obviously only CCP can prove it or PL guys who were aware of it and used it - and i really doubt any of these will happen. Also manifest destiny guys can take a look at ship names / locations / etc and say if they look trustworthy or not - just to confirm whole thing was possible.
Dude if you wanted to use the sphere you only had to ask
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/sphere/ CAUTION
SNIGGS |
Rogue Bomber
Chaos From Order Manifest Destiny.
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Posted - 2012.05.28 12:26:00 -
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[22:56:15]loc lachus, stubwan, lucivec, katosan, jarkaruus, chris sincalir, 3y3b4ll [22:56:19] Lachus [CHFOR] (online) // Lachesis (1129453020) "Disruptive Behavior" // Yona VI - Moon 18 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory [22:56:20] StuBWan [7TH S] (online) // Rook (1958880195) "StuBWan's Rook" // Yona VI - Moon 18 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory [22:56:21] Lucivec [CHFOR] (online) // Cormorant (1822672048) "HURF BLURF CCP" // Yona VI - Moon 18 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory [22:56:22] Katosan [CHFOR] (online) // Rook (1918768096) "CCP RETURN OUR NYX" // Yona VI - Moon 18 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory [22:56:24] JarkaRuus [CHFOR] (online) // Lachesis (1985560374) "CCP RETURN OUR NYX" // Yona VI - Moon 18 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory [22:56:25] Chris Sincalir [CHFOR] (online) // Cormorant (2040922788) "Chris Sincalir's Cormorant" // Yona VI - Moon 18 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory [22:56:26] 3Y3B4LL [CAKED] (online) // Tengu (1996673950) "DON'T JAM ME, BRO!" // Yona VI - Moon 18 - Core Complexion Inc. Factory [22:57:56]loc lachus, stubwan, lucivec, katosan, jarkaruus, chris sincalir, 3y3b4ll [22:57:57]Lachus [CHFOR] (online) // Lachesis (1129453020) "Disruptive Behavior" // UA7-U4 [22:57:58]StuBWan [7TH S] (online) // Rook (1958880195) "StuBWan's Rook" // UA7-U4 [22:58:00]Lucivec [CHFOR] (online) // Cormorant (1822672048) "HURF BLURF CCP" // UA7-U4 [22:58:01]Katosan [CHFOR] (online) // Rook (1918768096) "CCP RETURN OUR NYX" // UA7-U4 [22:58:02]JarkaRuus [CHFOR] (online) // Lachesis (1985560374) "CCP RETURN OUR NYX" // UA7-U4 [22:58:03]Chris Sincalir [CHFOR] (online) // Cormorant (2040922788) "Chris Sincalir's Cormorant" // UA7-U4 [22:58:04]3Y3B4LL [CAKED] (online) // Tengu (1996673950) "DON'T JAM ME, BRO!" // UA7-U4 [22:59:11]oh boy [22:59:13]here we go~ [23:01:36]loc admiral goberius [23:01:44]Admiral Goberius [NESW] <-10.0> (online) // Sabre (1975829767) "NO BRAKES" // UA7-U4
The above info you were missing was this which was extracted from failheap before it was removed from the thread. They knew what ships we were flying against them
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Phoenus
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
29
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Posted - 2012.05.28 13:45:00 -
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The Sphere is literally the gift that keeps on giving. |
Phoenus
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
29
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Posted - 2012.05.28 13:45:00 -
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Forum timeout doublepost ftl. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
734
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Posted - 2012.05.28 18:21:00 -
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Kadesh Priestess wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Man, monkey doesn't log in for 2 years and still manages to troll people far and wide.... How he dares to talk about 2 and 3 year-old tournaments :O Thanks for the bump, dude. Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Yeah I'm not sure why anyone would ever believe anything that guy says ;O You can always ask gobbins: Quote:[4:39:15 AM] Duncan Tanner: the monkeysphere thing is apparently not a troll [4:39:45 AM] Duncan Tanner: according 2 gobbin Obviously only CCP can prove it or PL guys who were aware of it and used it - and i really doubt any of these will happen. Also manifest destiny guys can take a look at ship names / locations / etc and say if they look trustworthy or not - just to confirm whole thing was possible.
You're an idiot, why did you say ask gobbins and then link Duncan? You're aware they're not the same person right? You are literally a simpleton right now getting trolled so hard its unreal.
Do carry on though, I too believe the sphere is real. |
Mik kyo
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
33
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Posted - 2012.05.28 18:23:00 -
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The Monkeysphere was a standup guy, would never consider cheating and certainly did not author the Sphere. |
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.05.28 18:38:00 -
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Grath Telkin, hero of the people
But yeah it's funny, at this point Monkey doesn't even have a reason to troll anymore
But of course PL will be smart and Python inject-less now after all that has transpired already. Blahblah |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
470
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Posted - 2012.05.28 19:57:00 -
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The Sphere removed all references to itself in the PL forum mirror that all of EVE saw early last year eh |
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Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
234
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Posted - 2012.05.29 13:19:00 -
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lmao more than half the thread are people making sure we know it's a troll
don't worry PL duders, no one actually cares, you don't have to premptively damage control - |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
160
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Posted - 2012.05.29 13:33:00 -
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pre-emptive damage control was done years ago with the AT victory write-ups of the supposed metagame ("our fearless scouts spotted them undocking x ships" etc)
on a related note, i've been enjoying mike oldfield's music of the spheres The Order of the Falcon or Hin +ˇslenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.05.29 13:36:00 -
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In before :PLposting: Blahblah |
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:47:00 -
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Oh Monkey noticed he has an audience lol
http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?6783-CCP-Decision-on-B-Teams&p=466145#post466145
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/153442/Eve/PICCIES/LolCCP/MSphere/Screen%20shot%202012-05-29%20at%205.44.46%20.png Blahblah |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:47:00 -
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you mean "a locator agent"? |
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.05.29 14:53:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:you mean "a locator agent"?
Quite a pro "locator agent" to give shiptypes Blahblah |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:01:00 -
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Wheedily wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:you mean "a locator agent"? Quite a pro "locator agent" to give shiptypes ...i take it you've never run a locator? |
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:08:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Wheedily wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:you mean "a locator agent"? Quite a pro "locator agent" to give shiptypes ...i take it you've never run a locator?
Maybe 4 years ago, owned. Though IIRC it didn't seem quite as handy as in that link Blahblah |
ElextriX
Snuff Box
21
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:13:00 -
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It doesn't give ship types..... here's a c n p of a recent one
I found ##### for you. From: Ergrad Amelsolf Sent: 2012.05.05 20:19
I've found your sleazebag.
He is at Kamela V - 24th Imperial Crusade Logistic Support station in the Kamela system, Sasen constellation of The Bleak Lands region.
With regards,
Ergrad Amelsolf |
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.05.29 15:19:00 -
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ElextriX wrote:It doesn't give ship types..... here's a c n p of a recent one
I found ##### for you. From: Ergrad Amelsolf Sent: 2012.05.05 20:19
I've found your sleazebag.
He is at Kamela V - 24th Imperial Crusade Logistic Support station in the Kamela system, Sasen constellation of The Bleak Lands region.
With regards,
Ergrad Amelsolf
Hehe, thanks
So yeah. Quite the "locator agent" they had it seems Blahblah |
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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
161
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Posted - 2012.05.29 16:17:00 -
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locator agents are pretty rude tbh, they call everyone sleazebags.
if anything, it should be based on sec status etc (like UO had titles from fame + karma). So a a vetaran player with 5+ sec would the The Glorious Lord *playername*, Paragon of Honour A newb suicide ganker with -8.something would be The Despicable *playername* etc
much more immersive The Order of the Falcon or Hin +ˇslenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
Gobbins
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2012.05.29 20:42:00 -
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I just want to confirm that, as I told Duncan over a game of dota 2, we had complete intel on enemy team during at 6-7-8. What monkey did forget to say is that the sphere also allowed us to detect modules fitted to the ships, in particular the race of jammers (which was very useful) and ammo loaded in guns.
During AT 8 when I joined Hydra I used a stolen version of the sphere only me and Garmon had access to. After hydra refused to play as Pandemic Legions B team last year we had to cut hydra off using the sphere but broke it in the process. With only a few months to go before the tourney, and our original hackers gone inactive (PounderGobbla69 aka Awox) we were unable to get a new sphere working in time. This possibly was part of our lack of luck in AT9.
For the record, TheMonkeysphere was cut out from the development of the new sphere, which is why he is now trying to spergepost on SHC.
Disclaimer: Pandemic Legion and Sniggwaffe had no intentions of meta-gaming the tournament using the sphere if given the opportunity as last year and really the only reason we were all developing a new Sphere was because of POS mechanics.
PS: never let duncan pick Huskar
- Admiral Goberius aka the xXxnoscope360snipaxXx |
Zorro Zohan Ducksauce
The Thirteen of Qarth
1
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:10:00 -
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for stealing the software, i have taken your mimir to the house of the undying |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
235
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Posted - 2012.05.29 22:20:00 -
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Gobbins wrote:I just want to confirm that, as I told Duncan over a game of dota 2, we had complete intel on enemy team during at 6-7-8. What monkey did forget to say is that the sphere also allowed us to detect modules fitted to the ships, in particular the race of jammers (which was very useful) and ammo loaded in guns.
During AT 8 when I joined Hydra I used a stolen version of the sphere only me and Garmon had access to. After hydra refused to play as Pandemic Legions B team last year we had to cut hydra off using the sphere but broke it in the process. With only a few months to go before the tourney, and our original hackers gone inactive (PounderGobbla69 aka Awox) we were unable to get a new sphere working in time. This possibly was part of our lack of luck in AT9.
For the record, TheMonkeysphere was cut out from the development of the new sphere, which is why he is now trying to spergepost on SHC.
Disclaimer: Pandemic Legion and Sniggwaffe had no intentions of meta-gaming the tournament using the sphere if given the opportunity as last year and really the only reason we were all developing a new Sphere was because of POS mechanics.
PS: never let duncan pick Huskar
- Admiral Goberius aka the xXxnoscope360snipaxXx
I could not find any flaws in your story until you said I picked Huskar.
The truth is I randomed Huskar.
Please fix this error in your post. - |
NinjaTurtle
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
9
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:50:00 -
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Gobbins wrote:This possibly was part of our lack of luck in AT9.
I see we've changed the definition of luck quite a bit, good for you |
Diotima Saraki
The Waterworks
6
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:53:00 -
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Wheedily wrote:ElextriX wrote:It doesn't give ship types..... here's a c n p of a recent one
I found ##### for you. From: Ergrad Amelsolf Sent: 2012.05.05 20:19
I've found your sleazebag.
He is at Kamela V - 24th Imperial Crusade Logistic Support station in the Kamela system, Sasen constellation of The Bleak Lands region.
With regards,
Ergrad Amelsolf Hehe, thanks So yeah. Quite the "locator agent" they had it seems locator agents used to include shitype in their notifications - it was just never displayed in the mail display (they don't send an actual evemail, they send a notification that is displayed like a mail by your client localized into your client language)
however, you could get that information perfectly legally via the API until the field was removed a few months ago.
I don't know whether the API was used in this case as the cooldown/caching would be annoying and the information would probably be easy to retrieve via python injection but in general you didn't have to use dirty tricks to get it - a copy of evemon and a full API key were enough. |
Boof Duttus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:10:00 -
[47] - Quote
So either it was python injection or full api keys of everyone on the opposing team? |
Nex apparatu5
Fweddit
282
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Posted - 2012.05.31 04:48:00 -
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Boof Duttus wrote:So either it was python injection or full api keys of everyone on the opposing team? Either Python injection or your full API key. Did you even read his post? :psyduck: |
Zorro Zohan Ducksauce
The Thirteen of Qarth
4
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Posted - 2012.05.31 07:37:00 -
[49] - Quote
if you drink shade of the evening and squint at dusty books long enough, you'll believe your parlor tricks are magic |
Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
244
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:25:00 -
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Diotima Saraki wrote:locator agents used to include shitype in their notifications - it was just never displayed in the mail display (they don't send an actual evemail, they send a notification that is displayed like a mail by your client localized into your client language)
however, you could get that information perfectly legally via the API until the field was removed a few months ago PL vs MANY (one of the logs above shows ships of MANY team before the fight with PL) fight occurred before EVE-Mail API was introduced. EVE-Mail API - November 2009: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=716 PL vs MANY, at7 - earlier than September 2009 (youtube vid was uploaded at this date): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g_kQw_b0SQ
Also, according to timestamps information was pulled extremely fast and had virtually no caching period. |
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Phoenus
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
30
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Posted - 2012.05.31 15:19:00 -
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Kadesh Priestess wrote:Diotima Saraki wrote:locator agents used to include shitype in their notifications - it was just never displayed in the mail display (they don't send an actual evemail, they send a notification that is displayed like a mail by your client localized into your client language)
however, you could get that information perfectly legally via the API until the field was removed a few months ago PL vs MANY (one of the logs above shows ships of MANY team before the fight with PL) fight occurred before EVE-Mail API was introduced. EVE-Mail API - November 2009: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=716PL vs MANY, at7 - earlier than September 2009 (youtube vid was uploaded at this date): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g_kQw_b0SQAlso, according to timestamps information was pulled extremely fast and had virtually no caching period. ps Some buddy sent me full collection of old awox stuff a while ago, found the discussed piece (cmd_whois function in ircevents module) - it was using injection and directly requested info from server's corp service, thus no locator and API was required to get it.
You really are trying too hard. |
Chekxxx
Megaton Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.05.31 15:23:00 -
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Phoenus wrote:
You really are trying too hard.
Oh hi, Pot! |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1294
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Posted - 2012.05.31 15:53:00 -
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The sphere is a real thing, it's simpler than you all think. All it does is emulate a functional client interface and interfere with certain servercalls and reports on others. It did this by simply having API access to the opponents team and querying beyond it's normal scope. It is better used to intercept, such that it can remove you from local:
http://i.imgur.com/Ckhdp.jpg
CCP haven't changed their servercode since so it still works. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:21:00 -
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ElextriX wrote:It doesn't give ship types..... here's a c n p of a recent one
I found ##### for you. From: Ergrad Amelsolf Sent: 2012.05.05 20:19
I've found your sleazebag.
He is at Kamela V - 24th Imperial Crusade Logistic Support station in the Kamela system, Sasen constellation of The Bleak Lands region.
With regards,
Ergrad Amelsolf it does if they're in a ship in space. that guy is in a station |
Mystic Bull
Chaos From Order Manifest Destiny.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.01 15:08:00 -
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I have no idea about this program. All I know is that we debated using a BS heavy setup and decided we weren't going to let PL beat us with their bomber setup. I remember after the fight (was flying bullshoals) thinking wow these guys are geniuses. They brought the exact counter to our setup. If it's true, its very sad. We put a huge amount of time and effort into the tourney and we had a very solid team with no chance of success. Just hope this won't be the case again for ATX but I have no confidence in the integrity at this point.
On a side note, i've rather enjoyed reading the butthurt from Hydra and Outbreak. Seems some think they are above the rules and it's nice to see CCP follow through with the punishment. ATX won't be worse for this, that's for sure....
Edit: The MANY team put their ships together while docked in Jita 4-4 and never undocked them prior to the match... |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1294
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Posted - 2012.06.01 15:10:00 -
[56] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:ElextriX wrote:It doesn't give ship types..... here's a c n p of a recent one
I found ##### for you. From: Ergrad Amelsolf Sent: 2012.05.05 20:19
I've found your sleazebag.
He is at Kamela V - 24th Imperial Crusade Logistic Support station in the Kamela system, Sasen constellation of The Bleak Lands region.
With regards,
Ergrad Amelsolf it does if they're in a ship in space. that guy is in a station It doesn't, I assume what they did here was have a directors API key, which give ship and system. There's no evidence to suggest the station it's listing isn't a manually entered "last known" location, or whether some other scripting is going on to put it all together.
If the agent located a character in space, the message is the same but there isn't a station listed.
It'll just be "He is in the Kamela system, Sasen constellation of The Bleak Lands region" from an agent. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2012.06.05 01:48:00 -
[57] - Quote
Can we get confirmation that any sort of Python injection allowing a team to divine the ship that a pilot is currently sitting is has been fixed?
I did notice that Hydra always brought Anti-ECM when a team brought ECM. I also noticed that Hydra brought up the vulnerability after getting banned in a sort of "we all knew about it" sort of way.
So is it fixed? Did it exist? |
Fish Brain
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.06.05 11:02:00 -
[58] - Quote
It was Monkeysphere that "brought it up" you eggplant. And PL already preemptively damage controlled. Good luck with your official answer though. |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
156
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Posted - 2012.06.05 14:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
Also is there anything in the GM or ISD tools that would allow the same sort of functionality? Looking at character's ships, items, implants etc? |
PAJB666
True Power Team Out of Sight.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.06 21:16:00 -
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Norma Rae wrote: Gonna give you a like for this post. For the sheer stupidity of it.
Post with your main =) |
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StoneCold
PLAY DEAD. Unclaimed.
6
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Posted - 2012.06.11 09:27:00 -
[61] - Quote
anyone want a copy of the sphere?
contact me.
Not posting with main to disguise my real beeing |
Shivaja
CHON THE R0NIN
7
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Posted - 2012.06.18 08:22:00 -
[62] - Quote
Thank you all for the warm support and now can we please have some responsible Dev to confirm that this Sphere, python injection is no longer possible or do we have to play hide and seek with our own ships in our own hangars ? |
michael boltonIII
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
215
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Posted - 2012.06.18 11:51:00 -
[63] - Quote
Sphere is a troll (you might notice Raivi wearing a Sphere Dev shirt this year), it's never actually worked but was just a cover for internal spies to have an excuse why fleet comps were constantly leaked, not just in the AT but on TQ in general fights. A long time ago devs even got trolled into thinking sphere was real based purely on monekysphere's posting, so don't feel bad that you got caught as well. |
Mystic Bull
Chaos From Order Manifest Destiny.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.18 15:40:00 -
[64] - Quote
Yep just a troll. Of course, they made it look pretty real by putting in the names of the ships and locations of people on our team (some of which didn't fly in certain rounds but ended up in the "troll" and some did fly that didn't end up in the "troll"). So, I guess they ran around and found certain people that had flown before, waited patiently outside the station to get what they might have undocked and copied the name of their ship and what it was (for the people that ended up in the "troll" who didn't fly in the tournament that round)...Then they probably copied down everything from the names of our ships to who was flying what ship (Obviously you would need to do this right before your match using a scanner and then match the names of the pilots to it, again, right before you fight). After that they put it together like it was a program which told them this information?
Things like "MANY was easiest to figure out because they liked to kite"....WTF, who was he kidding? We mixed it up the entire tournament...The only thing we changed was getting into a team that could beat his bomber team. I guess we were easy to figure out though
MANY is a group of RL friends and people who came here from other games where we were in a group there. We're small because we don't recruit and want to be that way so we can get fights in empire. Also, if we were flying something for the tournament we never undocked it. They didn't metagame us I can assure you. Our own guys don't even really know what they are flying for a match and it's not like we get tons of practice with 12 people there.
I go back and watch PL's fights and see they bring something general the first fight (which they lost in AT7, probably because they didn't have the names of the tourney team). After that they go on to wipe every team? We wiped one team and it's because they had a tendency to bring the same type of setup and we brought a edgy setup that was only meant to kill what they brought. Seems like PL did this every match doesn't it?
I guess we dreamed we had a Nyx logged off in a POS and it disappeared to these guys as well, post POS bowling? Yeah, I trust CCP to figure this out since they seemed to turn a blind eye to that one... In the end, it may be the best troll there ever was with an extensive list of weird circumstances. It may be hard for us to understand since we have a life outside of eve and would never put such time into doing something like this. However, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
gtfo |
Cannery Canoule
War is Bliss
7
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:44:00 -
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michael boltonIII wrote:Sphere is a troll (you might notice Raivi wearing a Sphere Dev shirt this year), it's never actually worked but was just a cover for internal spies to have an excuse why fleet comps were constantly leaked, not just in the AT but on TQ in general fights. A long time ago devs even got trolled into thinking sphere was real based purely on monekysphere's posting, so don't feel bad that you got caught as well.
The Sphere is an exaggeration used to damage control the use of python injection.
Client side python injection is not a troll even if the sphere is. A lot of what was possible, including the subject of this thread, has been quietly patched out over time but you can still use injections for autopilot to 0 and automatic probing amongst other things. However, CCP don't want to publicly admit how vulnerable their client was, and still is, so don't feel bad that you don't know what you are talking about. |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
103
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Posted - 2012.06.18 18:37:00 -
[66] - Quote
Haha, Michael Bolton's posting is so hilariously incompetent. It never gets old. "We discussed forming 1 (ONE) corporation to make these training in wormholes possible; if we wouldnt merge, 4th would have been forced to spend days and days to setup their own pos, to do this." 2 separate teams considered doing the same thing HYDRA & Outbreak did - how can you justify banning 2 teams who thought it was within the rules? |
michael boltonIII
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
215
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Posted - 2012.06.18 19:23:00 -
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Python injection is definitively real, but to my knowledge and the knowledge of everyone I know in game, only allows you to manipulate commands within your own client. There was a time in my past when I saw some people around me making money ratting in a way that may have used python injection, and I naturally looked into it. I eventually chose not participate in such evil acts, but if what you say is true and you could make calls on nonviewable information, then every bot and his brother would be making calls on the local of adjacent systems and of the location of officer and faction rats in nearby systems.
People come in and out the PL team constantly, I'm much more likely to believe that you just had an intel leak than to think that every person who was involved in the PL team fro the past 4 years has kept their mouth shut about a program that other teams would pay trillions for. |
Cannery Canoule
War is Bliss
7
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Posted - 2012.06.18 20:38:00 -
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Python injection has nothing to do with regular botting, they're totally different things.
I'd imagine proper tournament teams run on a need to know basis and that something like this wouldn't be discussed on a forum.
Honestly, the more you post the more you betray how little you understand = / |
michael boltonIII
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
215
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Posted - 2012.06.18 21:41:00 -
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Cannery Canoule wrote:Python injection has nothing to do with regular botting, they're totally different things.
I'd imagine proper tournament teams run on a need to know basis and that something like this wouldn't be discussed on a forum.
Honestly, the more you post the more you betray how little you understand = /
The two primary types of botting are OCR and Python Injection, hard injected bots are infinitely more efficient and can be run minimized or without a screen because they don't need to scrape the screen for images like OCR bots do. Please actually know what you are talking about before you accuse me of incompetence. Python Injection is exceptionally damaging to the game and CCP Sreegs has been slamming nerds 23/7, but as far as I know, it is not capable of requesting the kind of information you guys are talking about from the host server. |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
31
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:05:00 -
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Whether the accusations are true or not, the solution is simple: if you're fighting PL, have your ships fitted in advance, your team sit in pods and insist that the PL team is moved to the tournament system before boarding your ships.
@MB3: You don't need every person on the team to be aware of such a thing, just the one who decides which setup to field. |
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michael boltonIII
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
215
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:16:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:@MB3: You don't need every person on the team to be aware of such a thing, just the one who decides which setup to field.
I recognize that, I just find it hard to believe that PL is this only group able to run this magic injection that shuts down pos shields and returns info on docked ships. Python Injection is a pretty well understood system from legitimate programming and I am fairly certain that somebody else amongst the thousands of programmers in big 0.0 alliances would have done something similar if it was possible at all.
Sphere, just like Evoke's cheetah, is an exaggerated troll made to make people paranoid and to collect tears about cheating when a group complains about losing a fight because of something that doesn't exist.
Edit: I really shouldn't even keep posting in this thread. If people want to believe in the divine power of the sphere, then I don't think there is anything I can do to convince them that the evil orb that haunts their dream is not real. |
Cannery Canoule
War is Bliss
7
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Posted - 2012.06.18 22:37:00 -
[72] - Quote
The point was that the injection being discussed has nothing to do with the botting you're talking about. Also, that's what's meant by client vulnerabilities, the information used to be accessible client side. It isn't any longer afaik so its probably not something to worry about anymore.
No one is talking about the sphere or botting except you. You're actually the first to bring them up in this thread. |
Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
103
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Posted - 2012.06.18 23:55:00 -
[73] - Quote
Please stop, MB3. It's depressing to watch you stumble through incompetence over and over. You are either incredibly naive or just trying to gain favors at CCP by pretending that their game was not exploited to hell and back for years. "We discussed forming 1 (ONE) corporation to make these training in wormholes possible; if we wouldnt merge, 4th would have been forced to spend days and days to setup their own pos, to do this." 2 separate teams considered doing the same thing HYDRA & Outbreak did - how can you justify banning 2 teams who thought it was within the rules? |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1480
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Posted - 2012.06.19 21:20:00 -
[74] - Quote
Cannery Canoule wrote:michael boltonIII wrote:Sphere is a troll (you might notice Raivi wearing a Sphere Dev shirt this year), it's never actually worked but was just a cover for internal spies to have an excuse why fleet comps were constantly leaked, not just in the AT but on TQ in general fights. A long time ago devs even got trolled into thinking sphere was real based purely on monekysphere's posting, so don't feel bad that you got caught as well. The Sphere is an exaggeration used to damage control the use of python injection. Client side python injection is not a troll even if the sphere is. A lot of what was possible, including the subject of this thread, has been quietly patched out over time but you can still use injections for autopilot to 0 and automatic probing amongst other things. However, CCP don't want to publicly admit how vulnerable their client was, and still is, so don't feel bad that you don't know what you are talking about.
I'm happy to admit issues and state how we're dealing with them. I don't do so in response to passive aggressive lamentations however. Nobody is or has been scared to admit anything. I can tell you that injection is a problem. It's a Windows problem. We're dealing with it and have been and continue to break it down over time.
The reason you don't see much feedback from us in this regard is that we can't discuss the details of what or how we're dealing with security related issues.
You go ahead and inject and we'll see how long it takes to end it. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Luis Graca
58
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Posted - 2012.06.19 21:38:00 -
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Isn't that consider cheating? |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1480
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:07:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:Isn't that consider cheating?
Yeah I think that's a pretty safe consideration. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
122
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Posted - 2012.06.20 00:53:00 -
[77] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Cannery Canoule wrote:michael boltonIII wrote:Sphere is a troll (you might notice Raivi wearing a Sphere Dev shirt this year), it's never actually worked but was just a cover for internal spies to have an excuse why fleet comps were constantly leaked, not just in the AT but on TQ in general fights. A long time ago devs even got trolled into thinking sphere was real based purely on monekysphere's posting, so don't feel bad that you got caught as well. The Sphere is an exaggeration used to damage control the use of python injection. Client side python injection is not a troll even if the sphere is. A lot of what was possible, including the subject of this thread, has been quietly patched out over time but you can still use injections for autopilot to 0 and automatic probing amongst other things. However, CCP don't want to publicly admit how vulnerable their client was, and still is, so don't feel bad that you don't know what you are talking about. I'm happy to admit issues and state how we're dealing with them. I don't do so in response to passive aggressive lamentations however. Nobody is or has been scared to admit anything. I can tell you that injection is a problem. It's a Windows problem. We're dealing with it and have been and continue to break it down over time. The reason you don't see much feedback from us in this regard is that we can't discuss the details of what or how we're dealing with security related issues. You go ahead and inject and we'll see how long it takes to end it.
Stop developing for Windows. Problem solved. I look forward to a real Mac and a Android client. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1480
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Posted - 2012.06.20 01:52:00 -
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Marcel Devereux wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Cannery Canoule wrote:michael boltonIII wrote:Sphere is a troll (you might notice Raivi wearing a Sphere Dev shirt this year), it's never actually worked but was just a cover for internal spies to have an excuse why fleet comps were constantly leaked, not just in the AT but on TQ in general fights. A long time ago devs even got trolled into thinking sphere was real based purely on monekysphere's posting, so don't feel bad that you got caught as well. The Sphere is an exaggeration used to damage control the use of python injection. Client side python injection is not a troll even if the sphere is. A lot of what was possible, including the subject of this thread, has been quietly patched out over time but you can still use injections for autopilot to 0 and automatic probing amongst other things. However, CCP don't want to publicly admit how vulnerable their client was, and still is, so don't feel bad that you don't know what you are talking about. I'm happy to admit issues and state how we're dealing with them. I don't do so in response to passive aggressive lamentations however. Nobody is or has been scared to admit anything. I can tell you that injection is a problem. It's a Windows problem. We're dealing with it and have been and continue to break it down over time. The reason you don't see much feedback from us in this regard is that we can't discuss the details of what or how we're dealing with security related issues. You go ahead and inject and we'll see how long it takes to end it. Stop developing for Windows. Problem solved. I look forward to a real Mac and a Android client.
install linux "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
122
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:07:00 -
[79] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Cannery Canoule wrote:michael boltonIII wrote:Sphere is a troll (you might notice Raivi wearing a Sphere Dev shirt this year), it's never actually worked but was just a cover for internal spies to have an excuse why fleet comps were constantly leaked, not just in the AT but on TQ in general fights. A long time ago devs even got trolled into thinking sphere was real based purely on monekysphere's posting, so don't feel bad that you got caught as well. The Sphere is an exaggeration used to damage control the use of python injection. Client side python injection is not a troll even if the sphere is. A lot of what was possible, including the subject of this thread, has been quietly patched out over time but you can still use injections for autopilot to 0 and automatic probing amongst other things. However, CCP don't want to publicly admit how vulnerable their client was, and still is, so don't feel bad that you don't know what you are talking about. I'm happy to admit issues and state how we're dealing with them. I don't do so in response to passive aggressive lamentations however. Nobody is or has been scared to admit anything. I can tell you that injection is a problem. It's a Windows problem. We're dealing with it and have been and continue to break it down over time. The reason you don't see much feedback from us in this regard is that we can't discuss the details of what or how we're dealing with security related issues. You go ahead and inject and we'll see how long it takes to end it. Stop developing for Windows. Problem solved. I look forward to a real Mac and a Android client. install linux
Then we are in agreement. I look forward to your Android port.
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
892
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:56:00 -
[80] - Quote
83% of eve players use windows... so... good luck with that Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
26
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:13:00 -
[81] - Quote
Marcel Devereux wrote:I look forward to your Android port. Would you really want to play EVE on your phone/tablet? |
ry ry
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
23
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:30:00 -
[82] - Quote
Lucas Quaan wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:I look forward to your Android port. Would you really want to play EVE on your phone/tablet? nope.
i'd ******* LOVE it if i could change skills, modify orders, check contracts etc on my phone though, |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:06:00 -
[83] - Quote
ry ry wrote:i'd ******* LOVE it if i could change skills, modify orders, check contracts etc on my phone though, this would be pretty awesome imo
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Equto
Imperium Technologies Get Off My Lawn
11
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:30:00 -
[84] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Cannery Canoule wrote:michael boltonIII wrote:Sphere is a troll (you might notice Raivi wearing a Sphere Dev shirt this year), it's never actually worked but was just a cover for internal spies to have an excuse why fleet comps were constantly leaked, not just in the AT but on TQ in general fights. A long time ago devs even got trolled into thinking sphere was real based purely on monekysphere's posting, so don't feel bad that you got caught as well. The Sphere is an exaggeration used to damage control the use of python injection. Client side python injection is not a troll even if the sphere is. A lot of what was possible, including the subject of this thread, has been quietly patched out over time but you can still use injections for autopilot to 0 and automatic probing amongst other things. However, CCP don't want to publicly admit how vulnerable their client was, and still is, so don't feel bad that you don't know what you are talking about. I'm happy to admit issues and state how we're dealing with them. I don't do so in response to passive aggressive lamentations however. Nobody is or has been scared to admit anything. I can tell you that injection is a problem. It's a Windows problem. We're dealing with it and have been and continue to break it down over time. The reason you don't see much feedback from us in this regard is that we can't discuss the details of what or how we're dealing with security related issues. You go ahead and inject and we'll see how long it takes to end it. Stop developing for Windows. Problem solved. I look forward to a real Mac and a Android client. install linux
I would but there is a lack of Linux client *wink wink* |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
122
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:25:00 -
[85] - Quote
Lucas Quaan wrote:Marcel Devereux wrote:I look forward to your Android port. Would you really want to play EVE on your phone/tablet?
Sure. Flipping skills, buying/selling stuff, and ship spinning can be just as fun on my phone or tablet. According to CCP Diagoras 73% of all characters never undock and 94% of them have a smart phone or tablet. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
892
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Posted - 2012.06.21 02:37:00 -
[86] - Quote
Equto wrote:
I would but there is a lack of Linux client *wink wink*
There was one, but no one used it
Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
PAJB666
True Power Team Out of Sight.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.22 02:53:00 -
[87] - Quote
michael boltonIII wrote:Sphere is a troll (you might notice Raivi wearing a Sphere Dev shirt this year), it's never actually worked but was just a cover for internal spies to have an excuse why fleet comps were constantly leaked, not just in the AT but on TQ in general fights. A long time ago devs even got trolled into thinking sphere was real based purely on monekysphere's posting, so don't feel bad that you got caught as well. Google up Kevin Gadd. From the monkey's logs looks like its shooting blues codebase which pl uses.
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Gevlin
Universal Might DSM FOUNDATION
164
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Posted - 2012.06.25 01:10:00 -
[88] - Quote
so i guess jump from your fake ship to your real ship at the last minute to give false intel The Goons are Coming, The Goons are Coming Jita the April 28, Hulk a geddon April 29 for a month. The Best Tears are the Geifer's Tears. just hope the new crime watch system is in place by then.... oh the chaos will rain!!! |
Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
286
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Posted - 2012.06.25 16:53:00 -
[89] - Quote
Gevlin wrote:so i guess jump from your fake ship to your real ship at the last minute to give false intel
I was going to recommend this, however re-read the rules of the competitors for the tournament.
They have to be in their ships for 30mins prior to the start of the event and can't leave them!
Probably so CCP can check the fits etc. ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
13
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lolCCP~ |
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