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Alanee'a Unakarakta
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Posted - 2009.08.24 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Alanee''a Unakarakta on 24/08/2009 21:00:30 the lottery draw was held an hour ago, one day late, as he had IRl thingys.
he told that after the draw , he'll response here.
thats current info, i have no doubts.
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TornSoul
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.24 22:51:00 -
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My apologies for the delayed response. RL has kept me away from EVE for a bit(*)
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As a gesture of goodwill/apology for the late response or whatever you wan't to call it, I'm going to waiver the firesale fee - aka any firesale will be done gratis. Not much else I can do atm...
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RE: BTTL receipt page not updating
Whoops DB script error...
Resulting in any BTTL tickets bought on or after the 20th getting marked as BIG Lottery tickets instead.
This has now been fixed. Aka all wrongly marked purchases has been reverted to what they should be (Ie. BTTL tickets instead of BIG Lottery tickets) - and the problem should not arise again.
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RE: BTTL ticket sales slowing down.
I'm really at a loss about what to do about this - and a bit surprised (and sad) about it as well.
I do know one thing though - No matter *what* I do (or not) someone will be unhappy and I'll recive alot of flack for it.
That is to say, I'm interested in finding a solution that will leave most people happy - And that I'm not particular biased as to what that solution will be, as I'll get shouted at regardless.
Some stats:
date tickets 6 677 7 1.142 8 706 9 615 10 2.869 11 1.949 12 840 13 303 14 242 15 108 16 237 17 257 18 49 19 126 20 36 21 93 22 63 23 47 24 58 total 10.417
Over the last week on average 67 tickets have sold per day. There is 30.000 - 10.417 = 19.583 tickets yet to be sold. That's 19.583 / 67 = 192 days = 10 months until the last ticket have sold.
I doubt many would like to wait that long... So what to do?
I'm all ear for suggestions.
I would like to point out, that if no consensus can be found, I will *have to* stick with the current rules - ie. the draw will be held when all 30K tickes have sold.
So try and be reasonable.
Perhaps, and this is just a suggestion, I can make an ingame poll (for those with tickets) listing some of the suggestions made here.
The trouble is ofc that not all ticket holders will ever see that poll - nor this post...
But anyhow - Fire away.
(*) I'm currently painting my entire apartment - I now recall why it is I don't like painting... And it is taking *far far* longer than expected... BIG Lottery |
Chirinako
Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.24 22:55:00 -
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1 suggestion.
take the first 10,000 tickets and 1 titan and hold a lottery, and do the next 2 the same. You're likely to sell more tickets quicker if there are multiple lotteries, there aren't many over 10,000 justnow so move the ones sold AFTER 10k to the next lottery. This way, the ppl that have bought tickets already will be satisfied.
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mentalmackem
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: mentalmackem on 24/08/2009 22:59:24
Originally by: TornSoul My apologies for the delayed response. RL has kept me away from EVE for a bit(*)
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As a gesture of goodwill/apology for the late response or whatever you wan't to call it, I'm going to waiver the firesale fee - aka any firesale will be done gratis. Not much else I can do atm...
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RE: BTTL receipt page not updating
Whoops DB script error...
Resulting in any BTTL tickets bought on or after the 20th getting marked as BIG Lottery tickets instead.
This has now been fixed. Aka all wrongly marked purchases has been reverted to what they should be (Ie. BTTL tickets instead of BIG Lottery tickets) - and the problem should not arise again.
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RE: BTTL ticket sales slowing down.
I'm really at a loss about what to do about this - and a bit surprised (and sad) about it as well.
I do know one thing though - No matter *what* I do (or not) someone will be unhappy and I'll recive alot of flack for it.
That is to say, I'm interested in finding a solution that will leave most people happy - And that I'm not particular biased as to what that solution will be, as I'll get shouted at regardless.
Some stats:
date tickets 6 677 7 1.142 8 706 9 615 10 2.869 11 1.949 12 840 13 303 14 242 15 108 16 237 17 257 18 49 19 126 20 36 21 93 22 63 23 47 24 58 total 10.417
Over the last week on average 67 tickets have sold per day. There is 30.000 - 10.417 = 19.583 tickets yet to be sold. That's 19.583 / 67 = 192 days = 10 months until the last ticket have sold.
I doubt many would like to wait that long... So what to do?
I'm all ear for suggestions.
I would like to point out, that if no consensus can be found, I will *have to* stick with the current rules - ie. the draw will be held when all 30K tickes have sold.
So try and be reasonable.
Perhaps, and this is just a suggestion, I can make an ingame poll (for those with tickets) listing some of the suggestions made here.
The trouble is ofc that not all ticket holders will ever see that poll - nor this post...
But anyhow - Fire away.
(*) I'm currently painting my entire apartment - I now recall why it is I don't like painting... And it is taking *far far* longer than expected...
Hold 3 lottos with 10k tickets each instead of one huge lotto, for example 1000 have now sold so draw it and give away one titan, then reset ticket count and sell another 10000tickets in a week or so for a second titan, and then a few weeks after that do the third and final titan, i dont see how u wull sell 30k tickets i think most people that buy into the lottos have already bought into this one by now
*edit: damn u Chirinako thats my idea :(
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Tanith YarnDemon
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:02:00 -
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If this lottery was about a single titan, I wouldn't be the least bit of interested. If you want that kind of action, go with Chribbas lotteries. I'm here because I find it amusing with the extreme winnings 3 titans offer.
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mentalmackem
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tanith YarnDemon If this lottery was about a single titan, I wouldn't be the least bit of interested. If you want that kind of action, go with Chribbas lotteries. I'm here because I find it amusing with the extreme winnings 3 titans offer.
so your willing to wait the nearly 11months to see if all tickets sell, to find out that half people that bought tickets have quit the game so they need to sell more tickets
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Felton Fundenberger
Caldari Rosa Alba Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:07:00 -
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Keep in mind that sold tickets are valid for 3 lottos. I like the idea of getting rid of the titans one by one. but according to rules, each sold tiket is valid for all three titans.
So have one lotto now, at 10k + tickets, get rid of one titan. People see that you succesfully did that, then they will buy more tickets. then like previous 2 posters stated, at 20k and at 30k....
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kel Nissa on 24/08/2009 23:13:31 Its simple: Get the peoples trust back. (You are already on track there)
And convince them that its their own interest to find other players willing to participate the lottery :) Without enough players -> 6 month to wait. So its really the best interest of all players to find more participants.
Its all about marketing :)
Create a sig for participants - probably this will draw some attention.
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Quote: If this lottery was about a single titan, I wouldn't be the least bit of interested.
This!
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TornSoul
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Nissa
Its all about marketing :)
Very true.
Unfortunatly it's quite limited what can be done...
Originally by: Kel Nissa
Create a sig for participants - probably this will draw some attention.
Not a bad idea really - Only I doubt many would be willing to actually change their current sigs...
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:25:00 -
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Quote: Unfortunatly it's quite limited what can be done...
Lets guess: Whining and whining like most players start to do here? :) Its really easy to find ways when you are interested into finding a way.
If the sig is a problem - build a small picture acting as temporary overlay icon. -> Problem solved.
Make the lotterey even bigger. Draw players attention by the epic goal of being part of eves hugest lottery or something like that. What was the hugest one till now? :)
2 Ideas after 30 seconds .. Switch on your brain guys - i guess that there are plenty of ideas available.
Or is it a lie that EVEs community is tougher then other game communities?
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Felton Fundenberger
Caldari Rosa Alba Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:29:00 -
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I have no worries about my isk or success of this lotto. How much bigger you can make this kind of lotto? i though this is THE biggest.
All ready some good ideas here and nice gesture from TornSoul about forgeting admin fee for fire sale. That alone should get some more people to buy tickets.
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billybobob
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:37:00 -
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I would hold the raffle with the tickets purchase and give 85-90% of the total pot to the winner.
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DarkOmegaD
Airhawk Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.08.25 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: DarkOmegaD on 25/08/2009 00:27:50 I am pretty surprised tickets didn't sell faster myself, could be 30k is just to high of a goal, could also be that there are a number of lotteries going right now and that some people only do one at a time. I think the option that would please the most people would be to hold the lottery with 10k tickets for 1 titan right now then next one at the next 10k and so on. Won't please everyone but you'll make more happy then not. I would still buy more tickets for the next lotto, dunno bout others tho.
In the end **** happens get over it and move on
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Nguyen Phred
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Posted - 2009.08.25 05:11:00 -
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The suggestion to hold each drawing per 10000 tickets is imminently reasonable. However, since I came in just past the 10000 mark, that makes me unhappy. Feeling selfish, I propose doing exactly that, but refunding the money to all of us who bought tickets after 10000. Then, do each Titan lottery separately. Most objectives accomplished: early participants rewarded with the chance at a titan NOW; late participants don't have to wait 3 months; and the slip in trust is rectified.
The only hitch is the "good for all three drawings part." It doesn't seem fair that early participants get tickets that are good for all three lotteries. If we were to follow the letter of the lottery, then my second round tickets would be good for a lottery drawing that already occurred. Clearly, nonsense. That's the one thing that could be waived while still doing a pretty good job of keeping everyone else happy. |
Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chirinako 1 suggestion.
take the first 10,000 tickets and 1 titan and hold a lottery, and do the next 2 the same. You're likely to sell more tickets quicker if there are multiple lotteries, there aren't many over 10,000 justnow so move the ones sold AFTER 10k to the next lottery. This way, the ppl that have bought tickets already will be satisfied.
This sounds good to me.
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Beast necromancer
Minmatar Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.25 07:43:00 -
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as chribba has just done with his last titan lotto reduce the tickets required, he had his set at 8500-10000 tickets and did the draw at 8500 tickets as the sales slowed. eg. 3 x 8500=25500 tickets to draw for all 3 titans this increases peoples chances as a good will thing and just charge 5bil as a flat fee for the firesale im sure this would encourage more people to buy tickets.
just my 2 cents
Beast
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Watnao
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Posted - 2009.08.25 11:58:00 -
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Refund the tickets (because some people only bought them to have a shot at *three* titans), then split up into new lotteries, one titan at a time. This seems to me to be the most fair method.
I doubt this will ever sell 30k tickets.
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SCORPY
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: SCORPY on 25/08/2009 12:39:00
That would be a lot of unnecessary work to refund everything. The best thing to do would be to hold the lottery for the first titan and refund anything purchased after the initial 10k tickets, then hold the others separately as well. I seriously doubt anyone purchased a ticket only because they were expecting to win all three titans.
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Yoyo Hobo
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:40:00 -
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Refund the tickets as its obvious the original lotto ( 30k tickets, 3 titans ) is now never going to be reached.
Then re-think how to solve the problem and try again.
TBH best thing todo would be up the price and lower the ticket count if a certain " profit " needs to be reached
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DeviKun
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Posted - 2009.08.25 14:32:00 -
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Why cant u do as chribba does and let the titans go @ 25000 tickets assuming u get the titans @80B (appx forum price) or less your still makeing 10 bill profit instead of the 60 bil profit which is probabley a bit greedy.....
i think once people see that your do this they might start to buy more as this is an encouragement as there is more chance for them to win also maybe throw in some runner up prizes battleships carriers or what not
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Arlocanta
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Posted - 2009.08.25 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: DeviKun Why cant u do as chribba does and let the titans go @ 25000 tickets assuming u get the titans @80B (appx forum price) or less your still makeing 10 bill profit instead of the 60 bil profit which is probabley a bit greedy.....
i think once people see that your do this they might start to buy more as this is an encouragement as there is more chance for them to win also maybe throw in some runner up prizes battleships carriers or what not
I like this idea because I bought tickets like most others here for the chance of getting 3 titans with one ticket now that is very difficult if you do change to something like this then I would then buy more tickets myself and it would get more ppl to buy tickets and it wouldn't take 6 months. Splitting up the lotto into three I would dislike I do understand that it would get the lotto done and the other 2 done as well guickly but thing is how long would it take for the other 20k tickets in intervals of 10k to be sold not 6 months but at least 3 the devikun plan is a viable plan in witch the three titans would be then lottoed in one go at the same amount of time as three diffrent lottos. Or at a quicker time.
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Jack Sparroxx
Honour Bound Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.08.25 16:01:00 -
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well sales have dropped to a near nothing. Thats a fact.
And all the WUUUHHHAAAA about a titan lottery is all over. draw the first titan on the first 10.000 tickets. Relanch the lottery for the next titan, so on and so forth.
Or simply cancel the last two titans and refund the tickets sold after the first 10.000 tickets. But more then any thing, get it sorted asap before people will lose trust in you name and thus it will hurt your buisness
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Oharah
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Posted - 2009.08.25 16:42:00 -
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Whatever happened to the idea of coming through on your original promise? You simply overestimated the demand for your product. So take it like a real man and give a concrete closing day on your lottery. Then when that day has come draw for the three titans regardless of how many tickets sold. Besides I believe many people are seeing that this lottery is going to slow so they are not buying. If You tell people you are going to make the drawing in one month regardless many more people will buy tickets. You took a risk at making this lottery, well I have news it looks like it failed. Finish the loto and move on. Take it like a man, learn from your mistake and donĘt do it again.
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Togae Alus
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.25 16:56:00 -
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well what we need is for everyone to promote the raffle
i posted it on my corp kb
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ShadowandLight
Amarr Hammer Of Light Praetorian Guards.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 17:59:00 -
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make a sig TS, ill rock it :) SPQR Alliance - Commander |
mentalmackem
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 18:40:00 -
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tbh now i would seriously refund all tickets and start the lotto again for 1 titan at a time, lot of admin work but atm your getting alot of mad people who dont wana wait 11 months or w/e for it to sell and another lot of mad people who wont stand for anything but the drawing of all 3 tickets
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DennyUK
Dark-Evolution The Drift.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 18:52:00 -
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Quote: Whatever happened to the idea of coming through on your original promise? You simply overestimated the demand for your product. So take it like a real man and give a concrete closing day on your lottery. Then when that day has come draw for the three titans regardless of how many tickets sold. Besides I believe many people are seeing that this lottery is going to slow so they are not buying. If You tell people you are going to make the drawing in one month regardless many more people will buy tickets. You took a risk at making this lottery, well I have news it looks like it failed. Finish the loto and move on. Take it like a man, learn from your mistake and donĘt do it again.
Do you stand to lose 200b? I doubt it, so stop being an arse. |
Death'Scythe
Cool Guys Don't Look at Explosions MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.25 21:45:00 -
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Personaly i only bought 1ticket so i dont really care lol, but refunding all would be best option instead of waiting 11months or whatever.
Or come up with a lottery that involves the peoples tickets and they win a sum of cash, something like that.
Anyways gl lol -------------------------------------------- SIG LINK |
T'Amber
Gallente starvald emurlahn
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:13:00 -
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Hi, I suggest:
1) drawing for 3 places and giving out an equal share of isk generated from sales minus your fees.
2) draw for one titan and then sharing the left over pot with the 2nd and 3rd winners minus your fees.
3) draw for one titan and give the leftover tickets entries into one of your standard lottos minus your fees.
Although some people have bought into the lotto because there was three Titans, all the above options drastically raise peoples chance of winning.
There is a massive saturation on the market and everyone is being effected by it (Lottery Providers)
-T'amber
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Liberal Sparrow
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:56:00 -
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50mil sent, after get receipt i'll buy 5 more
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