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Generalissima
Vandal Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:51:00 -
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Simply put, the forums are in bad shape in general, and CAOD in particular is completely useless because content is drowned out completely by trolls, flames,and flat out "noise" posts.
First off, I propose that the moderators get serious about enforcing the "main character only" rule, and in deleting/dealing with people who post there only to generate noise.
This could possibly be made easier if CCP, in the upgrade to the forums were to implement mechanics that required you to "select" only your real main character. This would happen this way: The server would weight your characters by these attributes, in this order:
1. Is the character in an alliance? 2. Is the character in a non NPC corporation? 3. Which character has the highest number of SP?
To discourage misbehavior, the punishment for creating noise on the CAOD forum needs to be severe, and have quick and devastating consequences for repeat offenses, to the level of severity as to provide a very strong deterrent to willful misbehavior. I propose the punishment scale like this:
1st offense: Warning. 2nd offense: 7 day ban from forums. 3rd offense: 30 day ban from forums, 7 day game account ban. 4th offense: 180 day ban from forums, 30 day game account ban. 5th offense: Permanent ban from forums, 180 day game account ban. 6th offense: Permanent from the game.
With punishments like that, people who post on these forums in general and CAOD in particular for no reason other than to disrupt discussion, to troll, to generate noise will find themselves removed first from the forums, and then from the game if they persist.
I would appreciate it if someone on the CSM would take up this issue.
Thank you for your time.
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:56:00 -
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u mad?
Anyway, CAOD is dead. While the place has always been a remarkable example of human behaviour it's continued to go downhill ever since.
But instead of all sorts of wierd authority angles to guide or force human behaviour, which is a remarkable failure in real life so why should it work in a virtual setting, why should we even bother with trying to control it.
It's much more use to focus on things which can be worthwhile, and leave people with mental deficits their own little sandbox. CCP's recent hints at a battle database, but also SHC's strict focus on battlereporting spring to mind. Recently there was another neat initiative for a battle database thing which together with SHC seems to be an interesting example for some CCP thinking on the matter.
Let's be honest. CAOD is the toilet of EVE. Leave the toilet to those who enjoy the ****, but make the effort for a focus on quality information management via other methods. If that has to be outside of the EVE site, so be it.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:57:00 -
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how about requiring all CAOD posts to come from a new 0.0 system with special complex, you have to warp to it, open its interface at 2500 m, and type in your thread.
If anyone shoots you - well, defend or die :-)
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iP0D
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron how about requiring all CAOD posts to come from a new 0.0 system with special complex, you have to warp to it, open its interface at 2500 m, and type in your thread.
If anyone shoots you - well, defend or die :-)
That idea is so bad it is actually interesting enough to feel a sense of enthusiasm for.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.05 22:52:00 -
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Considering the hilarious inconsistency of decisions made by the CAOD mods, allowing them to apply in-game as well as forum bans in anything but the most extreme cases is a spectacularly terrible idea.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:05:00 -
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If in-game bans are what it takes to clean up these forums, then I gladly support it. Trolls have an entire rest-of-the-internet for their crap.
/Ben
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:43:00 -
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I try to avoid CAOD, but from what I've seen, the biggest problem is some combination of epeen waggling and rampant alliance fanboyism. People act like idiots because they want to be hard-line xenophobic nationalists for their internet spaceship countries. Oddly, we don't do this for real countries any more, but for fake countries it's still fun(presumably because all the blood shed in the resultant wars is virtual).
Really, I don't know how harsher penalties for bans would make people less likely to act like smacktards when they're in CAOD bashing other smacktards.
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Zastrow J
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Posted - 2009.08.06 04:24:00 -
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I got forum banned for 6 months for participating in a z0r chain in some worthless caos thread that was going to get locked anyways then I had to run for csm in a brand new alt created specifically for that reason hth
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Kytanos Termek
Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kytanos Termek on 06/08/2009 05:41:06 Supported.
(though I expect this thread will simply be alt trolled out of existence.)
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto People act like idiots because they want to be hard-line xenophobic nationalists for their internet spaceship countries. Oddly, we don't do this for real countries any more
Clearly you haven't been reading the same forums as I have :D
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Ankhesentapemkah
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:12:00 -
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Yes, only one char per account should be able to post, and main banned = all accounts banned.
Ingame bans for forum misbehaviour should be enforced as well.
Originally by: Zastrow J I got forum banned for 6 months for participating in a z0r chain in some worthless caos thread that was going to get locked anyways then I had to run for csm in a brand new alt created specifically for that reason hth
IMO people under forum bans shouldn't be able to run for CSM, nothing personal though. ---
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Jaina Proudmoar
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Reason for this is that I believe a CSM should display exemplary behaviour and at least interact with the community in a reasonably polite manner. If you did something that warrants a forum ban, you do not meet those criteria I think.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto People act like idiots because they want to be hard-line xenophobic nationalists for their internet spaceship countries. Oddly, we don't do this for real countries any more
Clearly you haven't been reading the same forums as I have :D
German diplomat, 1918: "It's fine, we didn't want Alsace-Lorraine anyways" French Diplomat, 1940: "Losing our country in six weeks has only freed us from the shackles of large-scale warfare. We're going to head to NPC space(Algeria) and have fun out there"
No, I think it's safe to say that even in the era when nationalism was cool, people weren't nearly as pigheaded about it as they are with alliances. Really, it resembles sports teams more than nations - most people at least try to justify their patriotism as being the result of their country being better than others, but sports fandom is gleefully irrational. I'm a Leafs fan because I cheer for the Leafs, and no better explanation is really possible. Most of CAOD seems to have the same attitude - amateurish propaganda to back up an opinion that they hold for no particular reason except that they're going to "root, root, root for the home team".
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Baaldor
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.06 18:27:00 -
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Hah!
No.
Pelosi? Is that you?
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.06 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Zastrow J I got forum banned for 6 months for participating in a z0r chain in some worthless caos thread that was going to get locked anyways then I had to run for csm in a brand new alt created specifically for that reason hth
IMO people under forum bans shouldn't be able to run for CSM, nothing personal though. Reason for this is that I believe a CSM should display exemplary behaviour and at least interact with the community in a reasonably polite manner. If you did something that warrants a forum ban, you do not meet those criteria I think.
Are you really saying that posting in a CAOD z0r chain, or some similarly trivial 'offence', warrants an in-game ban and CSM exclusion? The inconsistency of the mods as they veer between 'see no evil, read no evil' and their occasional bouts of rabid banfesting is the reason why they shouldn't be trusted with issuing in-game bans or doing anything else remotely important.
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Zastrow J
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Posted - 2009.08.07 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 06/08/2009 14:22:46 Yes, only one char per account should be able to post, and main banned = all accounts banned.
Ingame bans for forum misbehaviour should be enforced as well.
Originally by: Zastrow J I got forum banned for 6 months for participating in a z0r chain in some worthless caos thread that was going to get locked anyways then I had to run for csm in a brand new alt created specifically for that reason hth
IMO people under forum bans shouldn't be able to run for CSM, nothing personal though. Reason for this is that I believe a CSM should display exemplary behaviour and at least interact with the community in a reasonably polite manner. If you did something that warrants a forum ban, you do not meet those criteria I think.
haha you would give the forum mods the power to exclude people from the CSM. I am SO glad you are not a representative anymore
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 18:34:00 -
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bad idea because people have different standards for behaviour
however certain parts of forum should require posting with "real" accounts/characters. I see no point one week old trial guy posting ideas he got while playing world of warcraft in features and ideas for example :p
and well... caod is caod, it seems pretty fine tbh.
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Dex Timor
Forza Di Colpo
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Posted - 2009.08.08 06:49:00 -
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In game bans is bad in my opinion, unless you have engaged in real bad behaviour like a racist post.
I don't think that people should necessarily be confined to use their main only, but getting gagged on 1 character should gag all characters owned by that person on all his accounts.
When it comes to forums, I believe that who ever runs this forum should have 2 main sections. One being free-speech low-moderation and one being heavily moderated. There are two things that you want to do when you go to any forum:
1) You want to get your opinion out, no matter how serious or trivial the subject.
2) You want to inform yourself, without having to read through the same type of unhelpful posts over and over again. Having to read yet another "Drake passive setup", "Ninja Salvaging is theft !!111!!!1" or "Eve is dead ..." topic / post is just a waste of time. The same goes for meaningless topic titles such as "I had a brilliant idea ..." or "Damn you CCP !". A little less common is the "How do I use mining crystals" posted in crime and punishment, but it happens.
So I support heavy moderation and more consistent and severe forum bans. In-game bans should only be applied to the most extreme cases. At the same time, some places on the forum need to remain "free speach" areas, where the word-filter does most of the moderation. And of course, one character ban binds all your characters.
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