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The Truckdriver
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.02 13:36:00 -
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Out of self interest I am asking this. Their seems to be gap somewhere, where a team of proffesionals could make a living/fun out of killing people in w-space together with pos destructions. You have the occasional people killing others, but this would go 1 step futher with assaulting assets. It can be a very hard to do job since u cant bring in to many caps, logisticaly its a nightmare since fleets need to be brough in via more ways.
My question, has anyone done it before? Are does it on a proffesional basis?
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.02 13:51:00 -
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Killing random people sure, killing POS - not so much.
The logistics of getting a fleet big enough to deal with a defended POS into a single wormhole system without collapsing the entry point, alerting the owners, etc make it to all intents and purposes impossible outside of comedy-fit defences.
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Rip Minner
Gallente Freewind Ventures
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Posted - 2009.08.02 17:43:00 -
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Its normaly easyer to camp the system rather then take down the pos but like above if there well defended there probly also smart and well supplyed. Could take upwards of 1 to 2 mons the deplet there fuels.
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BillyBob Esq
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:14:00 -
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If you've ever tried to take on a tower in highsec, even one thats turned off, you know how boring that shiat is, and how long it takes. At least there though you can bring in as many battleships as you have pilots to just throw firepower at it. I can only imagine how long it would take to pop one in wormhole space though were you're limited in how many ships you can bring in and can't replace any that get destroyed if the thing is up and running with turrets and/or their corp's ships. Seriously, at some point ammo will become a major problem since battleship class weapons barely scratch the paint on those things.
Then again, I've never seen an active tower in a wormhole, maybe I just haven't run into one yet and to be honest I havent been exploring a lot lately so maybe theyre the in thing now.
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Damien Du'Pont
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: The Truckdriver Out of self interest I am asking this. Their seems to be gap somewhere, where a team of proffesionals could make a living/fun out of killing people in w-space together with pos destructions. You have the occasional people killing others, but this would go 1 step futher with assaulting assets. It can be a very hard to do job since u cant bring in to many caps, logisticaly its a nightmare since fleets need to be brough in via more ways.
My question, has anyone done it before? Are does it on a proffesional basis?
I'll say this, while some may argue that EVE is a total waste of your life, that argument is further augmented when you see someone attempting to take a POS down in Wspace. If you have ways of having more fun with your spare time, do that instead of making this kind of attempt.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.04 10:39:00 -
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It's kinda ridiculous. I've seen deathstars inside class 2 wormholes, with defences that would deter your average cap fleet let alone one which actually has to find a way to get into the system, probably piecemeal over a period of several days/weeks, just to start shooting at it.
That is of course assuming the POS owners don't notice what you're doing and simply collapse the wormholes you're trying to get in through, or attack your fragmented fleet or whatever.
That being said the devs want T3 to be more mainstream and people having "safe" POS in wormhole space is I suppose a major catalyst for that happening.
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Fransua
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.08.04 23:46:00 -
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Would be all out impossible in most cases, unless you have a spy sabotage the tower. Some corps I know use small towers to have short expeditions into WH space, which could possibly be taken down. But any corp with anything worth taking would have a large POS, and even without defences, it would be a pain to knock it into reinforced.
Not to mention 'some' of these WHers arn't your average carebear missioners. If they have the tactics, firepower, and coordination to take on the more difficult sleeper anoms, then they will be no strangers to PVP, and will respond very violently against any threat to their home. The POS will mean easy support for a defending fleet, who could also have any number of replacement ships available that you won't know about. If they have anything of worth to take, then they will be well defended as well. And should you manage to bring the POS down, any items of true value such as ancient salvage, tags, and artifacts, would have been covops hauled out long before you get the shield down.
There is one weakness of opportunity that could be exploited. However, as I abhor piracy, I'll let you figure it out yourself.
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Angor
KAHONAS
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Posted - 2009.08.05 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Angor on 05/08/2009 03:38:09 It can be done, we've not done it but considered stating a wormhole merc corp to harrass high profit making large corps living in class 5 and 6 wormholes (they WILL pay you to leave). No local facilitates ths possibiliy with low numbers.
As for taking down a pos, quite difficult but still not impossible. You can move a relativly large fleet through the biggest class wormholes, probably not enuf to seriously threaten a well defended pos but when the wh collapses, you probe out another and get another 10-20 bs through. You would seriously need 20-30 BS to take down a large pos in a decent amount of time. Would take a lot of patience and planning but it is possible. I doubt many eve players have the same level of patience and commitment as we do to pull it off though. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 05/08/2009 10:05:06 "You probe out another" assumes that a wormhole will open somewhere you can easily access. I've been in class 1 wormholes that have a highsec entrance collapsed and the only other two exits were to lowsec or deep sovereign nullsec.
A big enough roaming hired gang can storm through lowsec to get to a lowsec POS to siege it whenever they choose, whereas with wormhole mechanics you're in the lap of the Gods as to whether you'll even be able to get to it in a timely fashion.
Not saying it's not possible, just that outside of a very specific and determined vendetta it's a logistical nightmare. Kudos to you for persevering though.
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The Truckdriver
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:13:00 -
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Thx for the replies so far, I am just curious what goodies other people have in their hangarbay.
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Angor
KAHONAS
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Angor on 05/08/2009 13:04:39
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 05/08/2009 10:05:06 "You probe out another" assumes that a wormhole will open somewhere you can easily access. I've been in class 1 wormholes that have a highsec entrance collapsed and the only other two exits were to lowsec or deep sovereign nullsec.
A big enough roaming hired gang can storm through lowsec to get to a lowsec POS to siege it whenever they choose, whereas with wormhole mechanics you're in the lap of the Gods as to whether you'll even be able to get to it in a timely fashion.
Not saying it's not possible, just that outside of a very specific and determined vendetta it's a logistical nightmare. Kudos to you for persevering though.
Thats just the thing though, you have all the time in the world, you dont have to move fleets "in a timely fassion" you can move in 1 battleship a day if thats all you can do, if your smart enough you should be able to get most if not all your fleet into an enemies home system without them even noticing, you just have to have patient and commited guys who wont complain about sitting in a safe spot cloaked for a week while everything is getting in place. However what we've found is most eve players dont even come CLOSE to this kind of patience and will get bored and fek off back to carebear land after a few days.
Originally by: The Truckdriver Thx for the replies so far, I am just curious what goodies other people have in their hangarbay.
If you really want to get whats in people's hangars there are easier ways to do it. Easiest way is probably a spy. 2nd easiest way is to watch an enemy's movements for a few days, see what they do, when their active, how many members they have on at what times etc. Do they all leave system to do a plex every night at 8pm? Who do they leave behind? If they all leave system you can collapse the wh behind them and wait for the tower to go offline or if they dont have many players in the corp, just catch them at a gas cloud or whatever and make sure u bring a dictor to pod them all. Then collapse their known entrance and prey they dont have any logged chars. We have done this at least 20 times over the last 6 months, either got ransoms from people wishing to buy their "pos" location back or we leave an alt in their system and wait for their tower to go offline before stealing everything inside. Good money :) _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:19:00 -
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So you're basically saying it's not impossible but annoying/hard/tricky enough that most people are put off. Isn't that what I've been saying? :)
Also unless you're fitting cloaks to everything how would you plan to avoid the "1 battleship a day" from being probed out/spotted on directional either by the residents or other roaming gangs?
It's possible but without being able to reliably use caps and having to deal with collapsing wormholes and others opening up leading to other wormhole systems and/or places you can't easily move your fleet in to it becomes effectively pointless outside of a serious grudge.
Just my 2p, I don't do it myself but I've been frustrated in the past by targets always being inside POS shields in wormholes.
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