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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2009.07.29 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Marchocias Edited by: Marchocias on 29/07/2009 18:21:20 Very very very very very very BAD IDEA! You're all forgetting a CRITICAL point:
You CANNOT EVER prove that the person who recieves the ISK actually did the buying of it. If I wanted someone banned from Eve, I could easily buy a couple of billion isk of an isk seller but have him give it to someone elses account, then report it to CCP to get them banned.
Some people would consider it a bargain to pay ú30 a couple of times to get someone removed from the game.
Personally, if I logged in to find a couple billion put in my account from afjaiofj332890, I would petition a GM asking what the deal was.
Sure, but my point is that it opens up a can of worms.
In the case where a player petitions it themselves, then obviously a GM would understand that they haven't bought the cash (or why would they bring it to the GMs attention) so they wouldn't get banned, and the money would be taken away (as is what happens now).
But what about if the player just thinks "oooh i'm in luck" and carries on playing - they have done nothing wrong, yet might get banned, potentially ending up with CCP in court for refusing to provide the service that they are contractually obliged serto provide, when they have no hard evidense that any rules were broken.
Much easier to just remove the cash, and ban the seller.
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Marchocias Edited by: Marchocias on 29/07/2009 18:21:20 Very very very very very very BAD IDEA! You're all forgetting a CRITICAL point:
You CANNOT EVER prove that the person who recieves the ISK actually did the buying of it. If I wanted someone banned from Eve, I could easily buy a couple of billion isk of an isk seller but have him give it to someone elses account, then report it to CCP to get them banned.
Some people would consider it a bargain to pay ú30 a couple of times to get someone removed from the game.
Personally, if I logged in to find a couple billion put in my account from afjaiofj332890, I would petition a GM asking what the deal was.
Thats very easily solved by adding an accept/reject cash transfer window. Then a player has to accept cash transfers , rather than have them go straight into his wallet without giving permision.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dav Varan Thats very easily solved by adding an accept/reject cash transfer window. Then a player has to accept cash transfers , rather than have them go straight into his wallet without giving permision.
Hmm, odd. Somebody sent me 5 billion ISK, their name is "nihaoxingjaoa"... Lookup character... "CCP Hellmar" "Give money" 5000000000 - reason "ISK seller trying to get me banned". Send.
Woohoo! Banproof!
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Dav Varan
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Dav Varan on 29/07/2009 19:18:11
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Dav Varan Thats very easily solved by adding an accept/reject cash transfer window. Then a player has to accept cash transfers , rather than have them go straight into his wallet without giving permision.
Hmm, odd. Somebody sent me 5 billion ISK, their name is "nihaoxingjaoa"... Lookup character... "CCP Hellmar" "Give money" 5000000000 - reason "ISK seller trying to get me banned".
Send.
Woohoo! Banproof!
Some of us wouldnt notice a mere 5B entering wallet
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Cyprus Black
Caldari 4 wing Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:18:00 -
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What's really stupid is that selling PLEX codes for isk have better rates than isk seller prices, yet someone keeps buying from these idiots. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. |
Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Marchocias Edited by: Marchocias on 29/07/2009 18:21:20 Very very very very very very BAD IDEA! You're all forgetting a CRITICAL point:
You CANNOT EVER prove that the person who recieves the ISK actually did the buying of it. If I wanted someone banned from Eve, I could easily buy a couple of billion isk of an isk seller but have him give it to someone elses account, then report it to CCP to get them banned.
Some people would consider it a bargain to pay ú30 a couple of times to get someone removed from the game.
Personally, if I logged in to find a couple billion put in my account from afjaiofj332890, I would petition a GM asking what the deal was.
Not everyone do that because not everyone is aware of the existence of ISK sellers, despite the (annoying) EULA or the advert who appear in login screen (that I don't read myself, and I can't be the only one to act like this).
I remember one corpmate who received one billion four days before he talked us about it. We asked the name of the donator, and it was obvious that it was one seller (Created 6 days before the history...), but he thank about a simple error... So he spent a good part of this money before we explained to him what it was.
We made him send a petition, and the GM had the nice decision to let him keep the ISK. _______ Local is fine, period.
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Blnukem 192
Amarr Clan Gold Viper
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:44:00 -
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What's an isk?
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.29 19:44:00 -
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Name and Shame would help combat this problem. Active listing of accounts and all their character names would raise awareness of the problem in community, would encourage people to monitor/report abuse, and would promote culture of hating the RMT.
If everything is done quietly and swept under the carpet, people just don't think about it enough, and thousands of new EVE players don't even understand why it is wrong - there is no shame.
CCP, give us names.
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Kaar
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2009.07.30 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron Name and Shame would help combat this problem. Active listing of accounts and all their character names would raise awareness of the problem in community, would encourage people to monitor/report abuse, and would promote culture of hating the RMT.
If everything is done quietly and swept under the carpet, people just don't think about it enough, and thousands of new EVE players don't even understand why it is wrong - there is no shame.
CCP, give us names.
Use the 'Wanted' mechanic to print 'ISK BUYER' on the offender's portrait.
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2009.07.30 12:13:00 -
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cant be hard to put up a sign on the new player tutorial or log in page, also temp ban for 1 week and remove isk and then permaban for next time
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.30 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron Name and Shame would help combat this problem. Active listing of accounts and all their character names would raise awareness of the problem in community, would encourage people to monitor/report abuse, and would promote culture of hating the RMT.
If everything is done quietly and swept under the carpet, people just don't think about it enough, and thousands of new EVE players don't even understand why it is wrong - there is no shame.
CCP, give us names.
GM do an error player petition with proof he get the isk back but it is already branded as isk buyer.
You pitch and fork people make me barf.
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Lifelongnoob
Caldari Final Conflict UK
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Posted - 2009.07.30 13:57:00 -
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banning everyone that bought isk would probably put ccp out of business
the best way tp combat isk farmers is to have ccp gm's fly about in special cloaked non warp scramable ships that can fire weapons while cloaked... and dont appear in local... when a gm comes across a suspected bot miner or robo ratter they can pm it and if they get no reply within 5 mins its bang n ban time
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Goyourownwayinpeace
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:35:00 -
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Why dont CCP just sell the isk and the GTC i dont have the time to play the game 24/7. So i buy time cards and i pvp
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Emperor Cheney
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lifelongnoob banning everyone that bought isk would probably put ccp out of business
I think posters to this board often vastly overestimate the ratio of dedicated v. casual players. Multiple funded accounts, isk buying and so on are, from what I can ascertain, not normal behaviors relative the entire user base. And these casual players (the majority) are hurt by the price inflation of in game commodities isk buyers create through their isk demand. This leads to more carebearing by the casual userbase, more missioning, and by extension more blistering rage about OMG carebear noobs by the multiple account/ isk buying crowd.
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Blu Eyez
Caldari z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.07.30 19:20:00 -
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According to you guys we should all be isk farmers ourselves, each individual shoud be doing nothing but farming isk and playing 1/6th of the time when they can afford it and isk farming the rest of the time.
BTW(Playing eve to me is PVP everything else about this game is NOT fun)
Why isn't me loosing real life money just as bad as you loosing the money you farmed??? I think it's worse..I spent real time earning my money i use for GTC'S just like you spend REAL TIME farming isk , you're busy playing eve because you apparantly dont work i COULDN"T farm isk because I have a REAL life and was at work. So i took what I make from that time and turn it into in game currency withy GTC's and your looking at me like IM the badguy? I am not circumventing any type of task that takes skill by buying it it is not hard to mine or farm it is ONLY time consuming. So if I can spend an extra 20 a month to play eve with a little isk instead of "work" on eve in addition to the work i already do i will. Otherwise you could gladly ban me because the hell if im going to log into a game and do nonstop work without playing or having fun. Maybe Star trek online would be better for someone like me who actually wants to enjoy a space MMO without hundreds of hours of tedious work for little payout which can be taken away so easily...
AND LETS KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE
Isk, ships, modules,implants ARE ALL LOSEABLE ITEMS that you can currently buy. They are VERY easy to lose. YOU CANNOT buy skills for your toon, and even if you buy a new toon you are stuck with it you cannot upgrade its skills with money you have to wait just like evryone else for skills to train. So basically if your buying isk its to replace your ships, mods etc which are so easily lost.
PVP is the true game here and ISK is needed for it.
You make your money manufacturing ships???? Who do u think buys them!?!?!? You make your money mining???? SHIP MANUFACTURERS BUY IT FROM YOU!!!!!!
IN THIS GAME EVERY JOB YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE ENDS UP GOING TOWARDS PVP AND THE PVPERS FOOT THE LARGEST PORTION OF YOUR BILLS FOR YOUR GOODS IN THE END.
I would love to see how much money you make mining when noones buying anything cause noone has isk, and how all your favorite things to buy you can no longer afford cause they cost soo much more to build since all the farmers are gone..
The grass is always greener on the other side, I would be carefull what you wish for and be happy the isk farmers are returning from this ban because they are just as much a part of this game as YOU.
And oh yeah, PVE is gay
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar Use the 'Wanted' mechanic to print 'ISK BUYER' on the offender's portrait.
I like. Public humiliation. Then have it stay there for 30 days before it disappears.
Originally by: Blu Eyez This conversation is a bit rediculous, there isnt anything in this game that you can buy that actually affects other players
Its called pvp. Buying isk can swing a 0.0 war. More pos towers, dreads, an extra titan or two, etc. 20-30bil has swung a few wars if I recall.
On the market side you're competing with that many more sellers that bought isk for that bpo. So it does matter.
Originally by: Blu Eyez
I DO NOT however think people spending hard earned cash for GTC's should be rideculed or BANNED
We're not talking about banning folks for buying gtc, but instead from buying isk from unsanctioned isk sellers. Ones that macro away belts and rats. They're not healthy for the environment.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Goyourownwayinpeace Why dont CCP just sell the isk and the GTC i dont have the time to play the game 24/7. So i buy time cards and i pvp
Turning GTC into PLEX takes 30 seconds. What's the problem here?
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Emperor Cheney
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Blu Eyez Edited by: Blu Eyez on 30/07/2009 19:59:01 This conversation is a bit rediculous, there isnt anything in this game that you can buy that actually affects other players...(only if your SPECIFICALLY trying to use isk to grief should it ever be a problem)
EVEN IF someone buys 20bill isk how is that hurting anyone??? What are they gonna do with that thats so bad? Have something to fly in thats fitted? Help corpmates out? Buy a toon of the bazaar? What? What are they gonna do with that isk that makes it so hard for you?? Are they going to buy a ship that u made? Stimulate the eve economy?? What are they gonna do thats gonna make this game harder for you? Think about it.
I mean CCP is just changing computer variables in a database and turning it into real life cash with GTC's, they're basically printing money legally. But the money that people earned with real accounts over real time and work(even if it is a macro) is considered no good??
Im sure CCP like that they can "print" money but the only reason the desire to buys isk with cash is out there in the first place is the isk farmers that got banned. Seems to me like CCP sees how much people are spending and wants a piece of the action.
I DO NOT however think people spending hard earned cash for GTC's should be rideculed or BANNED considering they are helping pay for the development cost of the game YOU like to play so much. I dont care how long someone grinds to get isk it WILL NEVER be the same as buying it.
ExampleA: 2000 people spend 2000 hours mining for 20bill isk (obviously not tru its an example) The developer gets nothing out of this and in turn YOU get nothing
ExampleB: 2000 people spend 450$ for 20bill isk The developer gets $900,000 dollars out of this and makes a new expansion, hires new developers, expands the eve universe... From one time buying isk that lasts a month or 2, wonder what happens next month...?
Do you see why you are all confusing me so much as to why this is ****ing you off? If its because you've invested an unreasonable amount of time into a game then maybe the problem is you. Because I dont have any hate towards any player no matter how they got to where they are I just want to play them and win...Thats why I'm here - not to complain
Can anyone translate this to english?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Blu Eyez uninformed stuff
Your problem is that you're confusing GTC/PLEX trading with ISK buying.
ISK farming hurts the economy. RMT promotes account theft. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
kyoukoku
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Posted - 2009.07.30 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Blu Eyez I DO NOT however think people spending hard earned cash for GTC's should be rideculed or BANNED considering they are helping pay for the development cost of the game YOU like to play so much. I dont care how long someone grinds to get isk it WILL NEVER be the same as buying it.
STFU & GTFO. You're a muppet and don't understand that the problem of ISK buyer's ISN'T the GTC market which is legit and sanctioned under the security of CCP.
The ISK buyer's whom we DO have an issue with are those who buy ISK through the unsanctioned, insecure, liable to get your account hacked, methods that RMT ISK sellers employ. CCP doesn't get any money from that at all because there is no transaction for RM going through CCP in this procees.
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