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iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:11:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. A fact that could also easily be achieved by just banning one of them. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:11:00 -
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Raimo wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: No conversation was had with PL. The conversation with RvB was about how to ensure that they were functioning properly for the tournament.
And Hydra (+Outbreak) who tried to initiate a similar conversation so they could function properly in the tournament (the oft mentioned emails) did not deserve it but RvB did? Dev favouritism, plain and simple. Also, this thread with all them (archived elsewhere) game dev responses are pure comedy gold. When the weekend is over some CCP high ups will be very interested I'm sure... You cannot invent this stuff. Somebody who is actually employed and would assumedly need to keep his manners up :) CCP Sreegs wrote:
Did you read the CVA thread yet?
Do you maybe speak Spanish? How do I say "Read the stickies" in Spanish? Someone help this guy out.
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
This is what I don't understand. You're willing to work with RvB, PL etc. so they can participate. But not with 0utbreak or Genos. Why not? And don't say they're previous cheaters when there were no rules against what they did (in fact, PL did the same thing, just were less successful - no insult to PL meant).
There's a difference between being firm and just refusing to listen.
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Hi you seem to have missed the stickies on this topic. Please read them. I'd say come back when you're done but you've already said the same thing enough today. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:12:00 -
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iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. A fact that could also easily be achieved by just banning one of them.
Deleting TQ or cancelling the tournament would solve that problem also while we're conjecturing. I think I'm getting good at this. It's so much easier than dealing with reality thanks! "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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carbomb
Super Team Munkey
9
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:14:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:carbomb wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:[
None of those teams had a history of cheating using the exact same methods they were using again this year. Were we not to have to enforce these new rules a conversation with PL or RvB wouldn't have been necessary because those teams would have been in.
I hope this helps but it probably won't. I'm Sorry, where did it say that what happend in AT9 was against the rules? No rules were broken! therefore they can not be regarded as "cheats" for it. What would probably end all this posting is an admission from sreegs and co that basically this is them hitting back at last years finalists out of spite. You outmetagamed the metagamers and fair play ccp, you did it well. Just admit that this is payback and this matter will be closed. Its pretty pathetic how you are behaving. Most people can see that this was your attempt at revenge. You really are a bunch of kids at times. You made mistakes, you tried cover them up. admit your wrong doings and move along. By the way, If one of my employee's spoke to my customers the way you do to yours you would be out on your ear! Show some professionalism, man. also love how you hung the Senior GM who responded to Hydra/0utbreak out to dry to cover you behinds. Smooth! Read the stickies. You seem to have missed them
if they cheated in AT9 then you would have disqualified them both and certainly not awarded them their prizes. The reason you didn't, is because there were no rules about what they did. You can not brandish them as cheats when they did not break any rules. |
Karbox Delacroix
Emo Rage Quit
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:14:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome.
This only feeds the paranoids who will site this as proof of bias and that some were looking for a pretext to exclude Hydra and Outbreak.
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Sumeragy
Isstastor Corp.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:15:00 -
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Is it just me or does he troll everyone who wants to have a serious discussion
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Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:16:00 -
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Raimo wrote:Ding feeble 20 page thread o/
Considering the special interest group carrying this thread on I would say that the crying is strong.
Man up. Take your medicine. Don't do it again.
Stop crying. |
Dr Robertson
ImpeviA
3
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:16:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Suleiman Shouaa wrote:CCP still mad due to AT IX Final (despite the semi-finals being better than most finals). CCP staff who are dedicated to the AT chose not to respond to Hydra's emails, despite responding to other emails from other teams. CCP bans 0utbreak/Genos, despite them having all the time in the world to tell them to knock it off if they actually wanted them in the tournament (ie. greater good for all the viewers). CCP starts deleting posts on forums related to this
:shocker: If you're going to post a timeline insert facts. Don't misrepresent me or the team purposely. That doesn't look like a request because it isn't. The first point could be false, however the following still stands: 0utbreak, Hydra etc. sent emails to that email address with queries about the Alliance Tournament. At this point, two things happened: i) You read those emails and thought about what to do with them OR ii) You didn't read them. Since other teams have revealed that they've sent in their own queries and that they've been answered, it's pretty clear that those emails have been read and that you deliberately chose not to respond to 0utbreak/Hydra's queries. By refusing to communicate with them, you knew that they would continue along this road and that you would have to ban them from the tournament. If your primary concern was to make this tournament as good as possible, you would want them in the tournament. Why? They are in the highest "tier" of tournament teams - they have ISK, they have experience, they have skillpoints and they have teamwork. Most teams only have 1-2, some with 3. Not many have all 4. But, you didn't want them in the tournament. Your feelings regarding last year's final ruled supreme over your desire to make this the best alliance tournament ever. Do I think you shouldn't host the AT? No, you obviously have a passion for it otherwise you wouldn't be replying about it on a Saturday afternoon when I presume you're off the clock. And the improvements to ship points/team sizes etc. should shake it up quite nicely, with more gank orientated setups which are more fun to watch than the logi orientated setups. Just admit that you had a lapse of judgement and for the greater good will allow them to submit a joint team and most of this will go away. As for deleting posts? Compare and contrast https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113748 with http://eve-search.com/thread/113748-1.
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:17:00 -
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carbomb wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:carbomb wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:[
None of those teams had a history of cheating using the exact same methods they were using again this year. Were we not to have to enforce these new rules a conversation with PL or RvB wouldn't have been necessary because those teams would have been in.
I hope this helps but it probably won't. I'm Sorry, where did it say that what happend in AT9 was against the rules? No rules were broken! therefore they can not be regarded as "cheats" for it. What would probably end all this posting is an admission from sreegs and co that basically this is them hitting back at last years finalists out of spite. You outmetagamed the metagamers and fair play ccp, you did it well. Just admit that this is payback and this matter will be closed. Its pretty pathetic how you are behaving. Most people can see that this was your attempt at revenge. You really are a bunch of kids at times. You made mistakes, you tried cover them up. admit your wrong doings and move along. By the way, If one of my employee's spoke to my customers the way you do to yours you would be out on your ear! Show some professionalism, man. also love how you hung the Senior GM who responded to Hydra/0utbreak out to dry to cover you behinds. Smooth! Read the stickies. You seem to have missed them if they cheated in AT9 then you would have disqualified them both and certainly not awarded them their prizes. The reason you didn't, is because there were no rules about what they did. You can not brandish them as cheats when they did not break any rules.
Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:17:00 -
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Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. This only feeds the paranoids who will site this as proof of bias and that some were looking for a pretext to exclude Hydra and Outbreak.
if you say so
:edit: we don't need pretexts "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:18:00 -
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Sumeragy wrote:Is it just me or does he troll everyone who wants to have a serious discussion
There isn't a serious discussion on this forum in the past 24 hours except where that one guy asked a question that subsequently got filled with garbage by Hydra and I'm not trolling. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:18:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Neither one of those teams was cheating in this way. I hope this helps.
They asked for clarification since what you've stated as "working together" is so loose it's actually incredible. Why didn't you just say that:
Doing X,Y,Z will get you banned
BUT
U,V,W is ok
They asked for clarification via the official line of communication. You did not respond to said request.
So, they sent it again. Again you did not respond.
So, since the official line of communication wasn't responding, they used another line of communication to reach the same source at the end of the day since the GMs should be able to defer any queries to the appropriate party and get the right response.
They got a response and went with it since it was the first response they got.
What else do you want them to do? Can you please post your phone number so if you ignore two of my emails, I can get a hold of you? |
iLLeLogicaL
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:18:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. A fact that could also easily be achieved by just banning one of them. Deleting TQ or cancelling the tournament would solve that problem also while we're conjecturing. I think I'm getting good at this. It's so much easier than dealing with reality thanks! That's an even better option! It would get rid of 2 problems at once! But I just want to see Hydro or Outbreak, since your of the opinion that they're one team, in the tournament for ~gudfites~ guess I can't expect that coming from a blobman :-( |
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
63
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:19:00 -
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How did this idiot even become a dev.... My Latest Video: Freestyle II |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
148
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:20:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok".
Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever?
A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it. |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
226
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:20:00 -
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:21:00 -
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Suleiman Shouaa wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Neither one of those teams was cheating in this way. I hope this helps. They asked for clarification since what you've stated as "working together" is so loose it's actually incredible. Why didn't you just say that: Doing X,Y,Z will get you banned BUT U,V,W is ok They asked for clarification via the official line of communication. You did not respond to said request. So, they sent it again. Again you did not respond. So, since the official line of communication wasn't responding, they used another line of communication to reach the same source at the end of the day since the GMs should be able to defer any queries to the appropriate party and get the right response. They got a response and went with it since it was the first response they got. What else do you want them to do? Can you please post your phone number so if you ignore two of my emails, I can get a hold of you?
The response they got didn't ok what they did nor did they say what they were doing in the email making both irrelevant but I already explained this. Now I know why there are canned responses this is getting tiring. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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IamBeastx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:22:00 -
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Time Funnel wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok". Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever? A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it.
Still waiting on the link/quote stating 'A' teams will get banned if they are deemed to have a 'B' team.
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ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:22:00 -
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Sreegs since you're the only one responding, which i guess i am greatful for can you clarify that we will be ok to apply again next year or will the AT team be as strident and underhanded again in opposition to our participation? |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:22:00 -
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Time Funnel wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok". Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever? A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it.
If they were cheating, then why did they win AT9 instead of being disqualified??
Everything they did at AT9 was within the rules. Fix FW ! |
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Intigo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:22:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome.
That's a great way to run a tournament. Ban teams this year based on what they did last year when the ruleset was entirely different.
The more you reply the more obvious it gets that banning HYDRA & Outbreak is entirely because of a grudge held by CCP. The Alliance Tournament team ignores all emails sent to them and you create a ruleset so vague that you can fit it to your needs as you go.
CVA & 4th intended to do the very same thing that HYDRA & Outbreak did because they were practicing in a wormhole too - you still have yet to address that at all. The fact that CVA & 4th felt that this was within the rules (just as we did) is a testimony to how insane it is that you ban HYDRA & Outbreak over doing it. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:23:00 -
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iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:iLLeLogicaL wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. A fact that could also easily be achieved by just banning one of them. Deleting TQ or cancelling the tournament would solve that problem also while we're conjecturing. I think I'm getting good at this. It's so much easier than dealing with reality thanks! That's an even better option! It would get rid of 2 problems at once! But I just want to see Hydro or Outbreak, since your of the opinion that they're one team, in the tournament for ~gudfites~ guess I can't expect that coming from a blobman :-(
I'd have loved to see them as well. As stated in the two stickies at the top of this forum. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Kazruw Drol
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
3
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:23:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Kazruw Drol wrote:Guys relax. It's just springtime for CCP, and they have a tradition of going full Screegs this time of the year. I just wish this years Alliance Tournament wasn't based on Whose line is it anyway.In the future it would be best if all similar decision had to be accepted by the CSM in order to avoid another Screegs/t20 incident. Yes, banning a team from the tournament for continued wrongdoing is similar to developer scandals involving item creation. You clearly have a firm grasp on reality and are good with perspective. The point was that in both cases CCP failed to treat alliances equally. t20 created valuable items, you prevented people from getting them and destroyed the Alliance Tournament. You clearly antagonized Hydra and 0utbreak while giving a freepass to RvB and PL. The rules clearly state that 'B' and 'C' can be disqualified, but say nothing about 'A' teams. Considering their actions last year, I'm not surprised that this rule was applied, but it only allows you to disqualify ONE of the teams, like you did with PL and Waffles.
Trying to troll paying customers is generally a bad idea as CCP should have learned last summer, so I suggest you stop it. Trying to rules lawyers you're way into the clear is outright ludicrous, since this is EVE and you're arguing with real lawyers. Right now you're just undoing all the hard work CCP has done to redeem it's horrible reputation. Instead of stonewalling you should admit your mistake, step down and let Hydra participate. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:23:00 -
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IamBeastx wrote:Time Funnel wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok". Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever? A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it. Still waiting on the link/quote stating 'A' teams will get banned if they are deemed to have a 'B' team.
I linked it a page or two ago. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:25:00 -
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ScoRpS wrote:Sreegs since you're the only one responding, which i guess i am greatful for can you clarify that we will be ok to apply again next year or will the AT team be as strident and underhanded again in opposition to our participation?
I'm going to worry about that next year. Right now I have this year's tournament to worry about. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Edenmain
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
3
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:25:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome.
Awwwww and there we go, an admision of bitterness. Last year we did nothing wrong , no cheating nothing that was described in the rules as cheating. Yeah might have upset a few people with the final blah blah.
Funny stuff! |
Dr Robertson
ImpeviA
3
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:26:00 -
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ScoRpS wrote:Sreegs since you're the only one responding, which i guess i am greatful for can you clarify that we will be ok to apply again next year or will the AT team be as strident and underhanded again in opposition to our participation?
Does it matters what he says? they always can say his response "should not have been sent, this was an error that we will investigate further." |
Time Funnel
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
148
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:26:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Time Funnel wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.
And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok". Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever? A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it. If they were cheating, then why did they win AT9 instead of being disqualified?? Everything they did at AT9 was within the rules.
There were changes to the AT10 rules because of what happened in AT9. Does this help? |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1434
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:27:00 -
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Intigo wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. That's a great way to run a tournament. Ban teams this year based on what they did last year when the ruleset was entirely different. The more you reply the more obvious it gets that banning HYDRA & Outbreak is entirely because of a grudge held by CCP. The Alliance Tournament team ignores all emails sent to them and you create a ruleset so vague that you can fit it to your needs as you go. CVA & 4th intended to do the very same thing that HYDRA & Outbreak did because they were practicing in a wormhole too - you still have yet to address that at all. The fact that CVA & 4th felt that this was within the rules (just as we did) is a testimony to how insane it is that you ban HYDRA & Outbreak over doing it.
I know it suits your desire to be martyrs to keep pretending there's some grudge but as I said you have yourself, well really your leaders to blame and absolutely nobody else. I'm sorry accepting responsibility for your own actions that we didn't make you do is so difficult but at some point you're going to have to come to grips with you. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Karbox Delacroix
Emo Rage Quit
18
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:27:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Karbox Delacroix wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:
I'm not a psychic and neither are you.
Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX. So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together. No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome. This only feeds the paranoids who will site this as proof of bias and that some were looking for a pretext to exclude Hydra and Outbreak. if you say so
As you say, you know what happened last year and it won't be happening this year. You are using their actions last year, cooperation to infer that they meant the same thing this year. The question of bias comes from the weighting of evidence. We know that PL and Waffles cooperate all the darn time. But even though their history of cooperation, same CEO for both organizations, their attempt to enter two teams was not seen as a grave offense. Why? Because they did not throw the final match of ATIX. DekCo, the Alliance of Alliances is also famed for working together.
In response to your edit: You need a pretext if you want to claim to be working within the published rules. Another option one could take would be to state that CCP retains the right to determine what makes a good AT and the inclusion of certain Alliances a bad AT, ipso fact, these following alliances will not be included. Problem solved. |
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