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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy I understand in a way but also there is no doubt about it that CCP will have lost customers, Of course I can go home and play the game on my decent machine - it works fine. But in the office I have even tried the next step up (Intel GM945) and that ALSO stuggles to play the game!! - I mean this laptop isn't very old at all and the 945 is a decent intigrated card which before hand would of played the game no issus what so ever, yet this has problems as well.
Some people will only have laptops to play with - some don't know a lot about PC's and end up buying a laptop or desktop WITH a intigrated Intel card, shame they no longer support them like they use too
On another note - wtf is up witht he forum atm..posting a reply isa nightmare!
How about, you know, working at work?
Its stupid to maintain support for old hardware indefinatly when most of the customers got newer hardware.
Howver you look at it, time changes, new technology comes along, and we all need to adapt, or be forgotten in the past.
Sure, new hardware is not free. So is new hardware + EVE worth it to you? That is what you need to ask. Not whine that CCP should make new software for your old hardware. Develpoment is dynamic, and thoos who refuses to adapt to it gets forgotten. Simple, and nothing personal. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Kaahles
E3 Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wizzkidy Edited by: Wizzkidy on 27/07/2009 10:57:36 Altho everyone seems to be saying to the OP that its a problem with himself not buying a decent machine, I can only agree with the OP
I use to play EVE fine on my work laptop (Intigrated GM915 Intel Card) it use to have a little lag but nothing major, Now I can't even turn my ship round in a station without about 2FPS
This is running on XP with latest vid drivers or windows 7 with latest, it makes no odd's EVE is just more hungry these days.
I find it damn stupid they one this tbh. of course everything is set on low
tbh the gpu used on that chipsets is total crap. An old 6200 (which is very very low end) has, depending on the application, twice or in some cases even triple the power since the used GPU do not support simple stuff like vertex shader or hardware T&L, their clock speed is way to low, but then again: notebooks (espeacilly with intel integrated graphic chips) are NOT meant for gaming. ----------------------------- OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Contract me all your stuff so I can save it! |
Skalet
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:39:00 -
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op you fail
i was able to get eve running on a 6 year old, ( 2003 ) laptop. its stats are so horrible i will not say what they are but suffice to say the graphic drivers i use are radeon mobility 300 , and eve works very well with all options turned off.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:41:00 -
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I remember being annoyed when the next game in a series I liked required SM2.0.
However that was like three chuffing years ago and the card was already long obsolete and I got over it.
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Gebher'el
Amarr The King's Sword
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Posted - 2009.07.27 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid It runs current WoW fine.
This remarks kind of says it all....
Originally by: Ekrid it didnt just hinder me and other with lower end systems. it also hinders people with laptops that, spec wise, are fully capable of running it. It also hinders multiple clients, causing people to cancel subs because they cant play three clients at once anymore, unless they have $3000 geek pro machines.
God please cut the drama, this is so far from the truth it is nuts. I have a $600 laptop that I play EvE on when on the road and while I am not getting 100 FSP I am very playable, heck I even dual box it for high sec mining.
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innot
Minmatar Gulliver Corp Prismatic Refraction
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Posted - 2009.07.27 12:26:00 -
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lolz at Op
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Herateis
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Posted - 2009.07.27 18:42:00 -
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I'm going to say I have to agree with the OP on this one. Has anyone really benefited, performance wise, from acro? It looks "better", but most people have to turn down their GFX settings. Just look to the fact that CCP came out wit "premium lite". I mean, look at that. what does that even mean? premium lite? thats like saying shallow deep. or wide narrow. Of course all it really is, is the client with all options turned down to lowest by default or whatever. But just think about it, they had to come up with providing that, says something about the hardware elitist mindset, which is the people that come up with worthless garbage like "lolz op" and so on.
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fatherted1989
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.27 19:06:00 -
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ITT; people with **** computers.
EvE is not a demanded game - at all
a ú300 rig i threw together does eve on all high etc, at a nice 110fps stable.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.07.27 19:14:00 -
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now day ram, hard drives, mid range graphics cards, are all cheap, way cheaper then they were a few years ago for a few 100 whatever dollars euros yen etc you can build a tower or buy a pre built one with 2 gig of ram a decent video card and a huge hd. and you could proably run crysis on it decently even nm killing eve.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2009.07.27 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid
Don't you think that as an MMO, it should cater to lower common denominators?
It does...there IS a Mac client isn't there? If that's not the lowest common denominator...
KB
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Erik Amirault
Gallente R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.27 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Herateis I'm going to say I have to agree with the OP on this one. Has anyone really benefited, performance wise, from acro?
Acro? What is you mean by this? Acrobat, macro, what?
And honestly, if you can't afford to upgrade a computer with a ~$50 part, why are you playing a $15/month game in the first place? It seems to me that you should be saving that money up for something else, if you are really having that hard a time saving up just enough to be able to play this game (a year or so *after* they removed the classic graphics engine, no less).
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Havohej
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.07.27 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:58:20 Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:54:43 a 2.6 Ghz, 1 GB ram, radeon 9000 is not a graphing calculator. It runs current WoW fine.
Even "current" WoW is built on a graphics engine that's not just "last gen" it's 2 generations ago. There's been no "graphics" upgrade with World of Warcraft since the first one came out years ago.
"You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
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Through Actions
Answer To Mankind G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E
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Posted - 2009.07.27 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:50:41 Say goodbye to many customers that cant afford that. Say Goodbye to players that actually enjoy playing, while people like the OP of certain other threads burn out after 4 years (understandable) and discontinue playing, not because of hardware issues but because they want to try something else.
Say goodbye to supporting two different clients and duplicating work. Look, I know how you feel but the fact is that the requirements on the new client are not that bad - my laptop is three years old and runs it just fine, my gaming rig was top of the line (a year and a half ago). That's the nature of PC games - you need to upgrade your hardware every couple years in order to run the latest software.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.27 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Wahhhhhhhh my machine can't run EvE so im posting in GD to get flamed by all of eve
Solution. Step 1. Go to newegg step 2. Buy parts step 3. ??????? step 4. new machine that can run eve.
oh and btw. WoW is a prime example of what happens when you hit a game with the nerf bat too many times. Too easy to win. --------------------------
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.27 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:58:20 Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:54:43 a 2.6 Ghz, 1 GB ram, radeon 9000 is not a graphing calculator. It runs current WoW fine.
Even "current" WoW is built on a graphics engine that's not just "last gen" it's 2 generations ago. There's been no "graphics" upgrade with World of Warcraft since the first one came out years ago.
IIRC, the WoW graphics engine wasn't exactly cutting edge even when it did appear.
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Discrodia
Gallente Guardian Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.27 23:02:00 -
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I run EVE on a 8 year old computer fine. Grow up and throw out Windows 1990. ___________________________________________
Discrodia > Annoying idiots in 0.0 is my business. Business keeps picking up. Discrodia > I also like misquoting stuff :D |
Syberbolt8
Gallente Oblivion Industries DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.07.27 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Syberbolt8 on 27/07/2009 23:19:18
Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:58:20 Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:54:43 a 2.6 Ghz, 1 GB ram, radeon 9000 is not a graphing calculator. It runs current WoW fine. Its integrated laptop, and that means the whole thing requires replacement.
Originally by: Nareg Maxence I don't think your suggestion has much merit. The system requirements for the premium client aren't really that high and getting a box that would be able to run it isn't expensive.
have a link to an appropriate cheap box?
Originally by: Furb Killer The ammount of people trying to run eve on their graphing calculator (basicly the only device not supporting SM2.0 and released after the invention of the wheel) was so small that it wasnt worth it to support it.
it didnt just hinder me and other with lower end systems. it also hinders people with laptops that, spec wise, are fully capable of running it. It also hinders multiple clients, causing people to cancel subs because they cant play three clients at once anymore, unless they have $3000 geek pro machines.
Thats a lot of lost revenue.
While I don't normally hand out to people that are to lazy to search for there own answers on the forums, Ill help you on this one.
Here
Now before you say, OMG I CAN'T RUN THE GAME LIKE THAT WTF BLAH BLAH BLAH,
You should know I have a system setup something like yours my GFX card is a Radion 7500 128mb, AMD 1.6 ghz processor, and 1 gig of DDR.
Not the newest thing, and it doesn't support SM2, but I can play missions, and mine, rat, change skills, take part in some pvp, now is it ideal, no, but it works.
Stop crying that eve is moving into the future of gaming pc's you tell me one new game that doesn't require SM2 other then games based on old game engines. Support the DEAD HORSE POS's |
Dennmoth Ferdier
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.27 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid Edited by: Ekrid on 27/07/2009 07:58:20
it didnt just hinder me and other with lower end systems. it also hinders people with laptops that, spec wise, are fully capable of running it. It also hinders multiple clients, causing people to cancel subs because they cant play three clients at once anymore, unless they have $3000 geek pro machines.
Thats a lot of lost revenue.
I bought a normal home computer for about 800 euros 2 years back, only updated it with a 150 euro graphics card half a year ago.
can run 4 clients no problem on premium, no machine lag what so ever.
You're certainly over exaggerating the issue. Walk to the nearest retailer, buy any normal home computer at 500-700 euros off the shelf and enjoy your multi client capabilities. ------ Dare to challenge me? |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2009.07.27 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ekrid a 2.6 Ghz, 1 GB ram, radeon 9000 is not a graphing calculator. It runs current WoW fine. Its integrated laptop, and that means the whole thing requires replacement.
That's been true of laptops since forever. That your graphics card is integrated with your PC is a choice you made (judging from the specs) about seven years ago. Seven years is a pretty good run for a laptop.
You can get a new laptop that will run the new client for about $600, and it will also have more RAM and disk space than your old Inspiron.
Acer Core2 Duo T6400, 4Gb RAM, nVidia 9600M GS, 16" widescreen
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.07.28 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 28/07/2009 13:57:40
Originally by: Ekrid It also hinders multiple clients, causing people to cancel subs because they cant play three clients at once anymore, unless they have $3000 geek pro machines.
Thats a lot of lost revenue.
My computer was built for less than ú100, and can run four clients at once before it gets serious problems (all on low settings, effects enabled, sound off).
Retailers are NOT your friends.
Also, get a desktop, not a damned laptop... they're a ludicrous waste of money unless you're never at home. -SIG- The true meaning of CCP; Completely Crap Patches. But I don't care, I haz CHOCOLATE. :D |
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