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Ruby Udders
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Posted - 2010.03.20 13:26:00 -
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Have nothing against any of the participants of this space opera but.. Don't you just love it when the Butterfly Effect bites someone in the ass?
I don't know Major Trant but I would subscribe to his EVE Adventure blog any day of the week.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.03.20 14:18:00 -
[1652]
As I've said before... anyone who wants to know why 0.0 is the way it is need only read this thread.
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Typherian
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.20 15:23:00 -
[1653]
Edited by: Typherian on 20/03/2010 15:25:09 Today my opinion has changed a bit so I felt in the interest of being fair I should say something about it. After engaging roosterton on more than one occasion today I have noticed that he has not smack talked so far. Hopefully this does not change. I have also found that he pulled some pretty good ships out against us and while I may not like the guy because of his friend choices I have to respect a well flown ship and a good sport of a pilot. I tip my hat to you and hope to see you in more fights in the future.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.20 19:19:00 -
[1654]
Edited by: Aaron on 20/03/2010 19:25:51
Originally by: Kva Plexcha
Now for the second bolded part ... because you, Aaron, personally can survive in UK, doesnt mean that you are "triumphing" or persevering sccessfully. You fail to see that most comments in this thread are positive to the concept. I have stated before and will say this again - you could be so much farther ahead of where you currently are, if only you handled things much differently. This is directly because of your poor leadership skills, nothing else.
You have no idea what your talking about. Stain empire have always been on my case since day 1 of me setting foot in stain. my Leadership skills will only take a newbie in so far in stain, i can only show them the door, it is them that will actually have to walk thru it.
I have no idea why your on here talking like this as if you have somthing to prove, or maybe you just want to say look everyone i can do somthing better than Aaon.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.20 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron on 20/03/2010 19:54:47 Edited by: Aaron on 20/03/2010 19:52:25 So how do you like that Logic? Weve had 3 flawless victories against you. the most recent are below.
AOV kill 1
AOV kill 2
Get out of uf or we will continue to destroy all of your ships, we will outsmart you, outlast you and outclass you in every way, this will only end in lots of losses for your corp/alliance. Im not an unreasonable man and you only set me red because I had a simple request and asked for your help on providing hub zero with ammo. because you are so short sighted and arrogant you will never see my POV. it is for this reason you will be forced to leave.
And to make things worse one of your men recently went and purchased every last piece of ammo on the market, yes im half a billion richer, but isk is not my goal here, building a community is.
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Weight What
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.20 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Weve had 3 flawless victories against you.
Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball This is not Mortal Kombat, buffoon.
Quote: Get out of uf or we will continue to destroy all of your ships, we will outsmart you, outlast you and outclass you in every way, this will only end in lots of losses for your corp/alliance
Empty threats.
Quote: And to make things worse one of your men recently went and purchased every last piece of ammo on the market,
Oh noes, the market in operation!
Quote: yes im half a billion richer, but isk is not my goal here, building a community is.
Would you care to explain why everything on sale at UF is at exorbiatant prices then, if you're not profiteering from your minions? When I popped down there (and I use 'I' in the specific sense of the person who is writing this post), the market was like a Stygian vision of a starter system - T1 mods and few ships only, priced faaar above what could be described as reasonable margins, even taking into account that this is 0.0 and supply lines limited. -----------------------------------------------
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.20 20:23:00 -
[1657]
Originally by: Malcanis As I've said before... anyone who wants to know why 0.0 is the way it is need only read this thread.
You're right as usual Malcanis.
For whatever reason I get into to many ego battles with people that dont want to follow my logical way of doing things. I mean come on, should I have really been set to red just cos I requested help from AOV on some supply issues? We all know the answer is no.
A similar thing happened with local-spike, I knew if they had their way then Hub Zero would have become NBSI. they failed to see the bigger picture of helping NRDS guys into 0.0 and instead put their dispute with me ahead of that. Im happy to accept that people dont like my way of doing things, but dont come on here talking nonsense about my leadership because its actually ok.
I have chosen to be an adult and hand control to Major Trant. I think it's the point to emphasize at the moment: joining AOV's NBSI crowd means giving up on Hub Zero as a concept - it won't eveer happen with them.
there is no "neutral" party trying to build Hub Zero (Glaivious excepted), so it's either pro-Hub zero (Eternal Ascension) or pro-NBSI (AOV) that's the core conflict and all the personal likes and dislikes should be put on the backburner for the time being.
Were here to do a job people, and that is opening up NPC 0.0 to NRDS hi-sec dwellers.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.20 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Weight What
Originally by: Aaron Weve had 3 flawless victories against you.
Originally by: Magic Dragonrider Tao Ball This is not Mortal Kombat, buffoon.
Quote: Get out of uf or we will continue to destroy all of your ships, we will outsmart you, outlast you and outclass you in every way, this will only end in lots of losses for your corp/alliance
Empty threats.
Quote: And to make things worse one of your men recently went and purchased every last piece of ammo on the market,
Oh noes, the market in operation!
Quote: yes im half a billion richer, but isk is not my goal here, building a community is.
Would you care to explain why everything on sale at UF is at exorbiatant prices then, if you're not profiteering from your minions? When I popped down there (and I use 'I' in the specific sense of the person who is writing this post), the market was like a Stygian vision of a starter system - T1 mods and few ships only, priced faaar above what could be described as reasonable margins, even taking into account that this is 0.0 and supply lines limited.
I'll try to explain,
At the moment everything I sell is at least 3 times chearper than the rest of stain. You only saw probably 2 items that are more expensive than all the others, These are EMP M, and Thunderbolt missiles.
The problem I found is that not everyone contributed to the community so I had to work out a way to provide the people who did contribute with free ships and the people who didnt contribute with prices that were reasonable in relation to what other people were offering in stain.
Now 178isk per thunderbolt missile is higher than hi sec, but however it was one of the cheapest in stain for 18 jumps. The next closest was 400isk per missile, and then 350isk per missile a few jumps down.
I make it a point of providing lots of stuff to people who have worked hard for free, and have proven this by giving Major Trant about 4 free ship. Major has confirmed this in previous posts.
Now, I have a large stack of minerals that I inherited from the previous members of my alliance, this is a very big stack, and I'd like to work with Major Trant and share out some of these minerals so that the neutral corps or individuals comming down can start some small scale manufacture until they can stand on their own feet.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.20 21:00:00 -
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Awaiting response from Major Trant...........
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Varls Gauyer
Big Sky Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.20 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Varls Gauyer on 20/03/2010 21:08:31 The question I have is why buy a million missiles if they are so expensive?
Anyway, my account has nearly expired and I will not renew now until I can afford it again. Good luck with making UF NRDS, I think its a noble idea and hope it gets there in the end.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.03.20 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Weight What T1 mods and few ships only, priced faaar above what could be described as reasonable margins, even taking into account that this is 0.0 and supply lines limited.
every margin the market is willing to bear is by definition reasonable - period.
(besides, it's not like Aaron has a monopoly on the blueprints. He also has a lot of stock on the market and probably not a very high turnover of his total working capital, I don't know his books but I wouldn't expect his ROI to be extremely high)
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2010.03.20 22:03:00 -
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All one can do is offer oneÆs own experience, first of all I have limited PvP experience, however I have gone into low sec to practise my survival skills and apart from one incident when I was scouting for an industrial and deliberately sacrificed myself to divert attention from that I did not lose a ship. I came down to Hub Zero and stayed there for two weeks and during that period I did not lose a ship either, the advise give by Aaron was useful and slotted in with what I already knew.
As to the comments about Aaron profiting from Hub Zero, well yes a little, but he is selling items at a good price for around here, in fact itÆs quite cheap in comparison and many items would require a long dangerous journey to purchase. OK, yes, give me a choice between Aaron making a bit of ISK or not being able to buy the things without a 15 system jump then itÆs no comparison and I do not think that Aaron is being unreasonable at all. To be honest without this market it would just not work and this is the most important factor to understand, if AaronÆs corp is enabling that market then itÆs a good thing and yes Aaron does give you things like ships and rigs.
Hub Zero is not dead, it has a market that is the main attraction in NPC 0.0 and you are not going to stop that, by buying everything shows that you understand the value of it, your efforts to attack the concept of that market fail badly, especially when many items were not much more expensive than High Sec, much to my acute happiness...
I have therefore decided to join Eternal Ascension to see if I can make a go of it, I am under no illusions about the difficulties, but Aaron is basically a decent chap and that counts for a lot, but if he ask me to go for a jaunt into the core SE system, I think I will develop a very bad cough... And if it goes pear shaped, at least I will enjoy it.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.20 22:50:00 -
[1663]
Still waiting for a response from Major Trant.........
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2010.03.20 23:19:00 -
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Aaron, have you ever been diagnosed with bipolar / manic depression?
I'm not asking this in a sarcastic way, I'm genuinely curious.
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Kva Plexcha
Gallente Doing You Right
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Posted - 2010.03.20 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 20/03/2010 19:25:51
Originally by: Kva Plexcha
Now for the second bolded part ... because you, Aaron, personally can survive in UK, doesnt mean that you are "triumphing" or persevering sccessfully. You fail to see that most comments in this thread are positive to the concept. I have stated before and will say this again - you could be so much farther ahead of where you currently are, if only you handled things much differently. This is directly because of your poor leadership skills, nothing else.
You have no idea what your talking about. Stain empire have always been on my case since day 1 of me setting foot in stain. my Leadership skills will only take a newbie in so far in stain, i can only show them the door, it is them that will actually have to walk thru it.
I have no idea why your on here talking like this as if you have somthing to prove, or maybe you just want to say look everyone i can do somthing better than Aaon.
The third possibility is I am offering you constructive critism. Maybe you should not get your back up and only focus on the critism part and realize I am actually trying to give you some advice in my comments.
The only reason I bring up my own venture is not to show you its 'Better' but to show that I am speaking with some knowledge.
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Demolishar
G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.03.20 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron NRDS hi-sec dwellers.
This always makes me chuckle. Are there NBSI high-sec dwellers that you feel the need to make a distinction from? Last I heard, NBSI in highsec leads to a short, unavoidable death
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.20 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kva Plexcha
Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 20/03/2010 19:25:51
Originally by: Kva Plexcha
Now for the second bolded part ... because you, Aaron, personally can survive in UK, doesnt mean that you are "triumphing" or persevering sccessfully. You fail to see that most comments in this thread are positive to the concept. I have stated before and will say this again - you could be so much farther ahead of where you currently are, if only you handled things much differently. This is directly because of your poor leadership skills, nothing else.
You have no idea what your talking about. Stain empire have always been on my case since day 1 of me setting foot in stain. my Leadership skills will only take a newbie in so far in stain, i can only show them the door, it is them that will actually have to walk thru it.
I have no idea why your on here talking like this as if you have somthing to prove, or maybe you just want to say look everyone i can do somthing better than Aaon.
The third possibility is I am offering you constructive critism. Maybe you should not get your back up and only focus on the critism part and realize I am actually trying to give you some advice in my comments.
The only reason I bring up my own venture is not to show you its 'Better' but to show that I am speaking with some knowledge.
Ok, well it appears that Major Trant may have abandoned his ideals and decided to remain in AOV and have nothing to do with Hub Zero. I only say this because I have not recieved a response from him as yet,i have tried private convoing him and sending a mail but have so far been ignored. I am willing to change this opinion if he contacts me and and tells me some of his thoughts.
It really annoys me when so many people are very quick to tell me that I am wrong, and that I have no skill, and I can never be a leader, Well let me tell you this; come down and prove me wrong, come down here as a neutral to me and lead the rest of the neutrals that come to hub zero to dwell. I have absolutly no problem in admitting that this idea may not work with me as leader.
Kva, If major trant doesnt accept the role as leader of hub zero will you? or are you just talking like everybody else?
Its so easy for everyone to disparage me, and tell me im wrong, or that im not the man to be in charge. If this is the case come down and prove me wrong dude.
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Typherian
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.20 23:42:00 -
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Flawless no. We did get your pod and would have had the ship had you not decided to take the cowards way out and throw it in your buddy's carrier when you were in structure. Also while your good friend rooster has proven himself to be a good pilot and more importantly a good sport. I will admit he killed me earlier. Me being Ishbuanium this is my main and I feel posting with an alt would be a lot like hiding. While you were not on any of the kills as far as I have seen you still smack talk like you were. While the actual killer stays quiet and was even nice enough to say GF after defeating an AOV pilot. As I mentioned earlier I have a whole new respect for Roosterton and I look forward to fighting him again. You on the other hand do nothing but cloak up and smack in local or spam the forums. At this point I will be talking with logic and we in AOV will not post in this thread. If you want to talk to us decloak and fight. We let our weapons do the talking. To anyone else in Aaron's alliance I have talked to in local or elsewhere I apologize for any times I may kill you or prevent you from ratting. My problem is not with you. It is with your leadership. Unfortunately Aaron does not see or maybe he does not care the cost to you. Either way it is not my place to say for I will admit I do not know the conversations you may or may not have had with him. I will not pretend I know more than I do. What I do know is that there is no way Aaron will kill us while he sits cloaked up smacking. If you truly can defeat us with the ease that you claim come out of hiding and try. We are here. We are waiting.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.20 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Typherian Flawless no. We did get your pod and would have had the ship had you not decided to take the cowards way out and throw it in your buddy's carrier when you were in structure. Also while your good friend rooster has proven himself to be a good pilot and more importantly a good sport. I will admit he killed me earlier. Me being Ishbuanium this is my main and I feel posting with an alt would be a lot like hiding. While you were not on any of the kills as far as I have seen you still smack talk like you were. While the actual killer stays quiet and was even nice enough to say GF after defeating an AOV pilot. As I mentioned earlier I have a whole new respect for Roosterton and I look forward to fighting him again. You on the other hand do nothing but cloak up and smack in local or spam the forums. At this point I will be talking with logic and we in AOV will not post in this thread. If you want to talk to us decloak and fight. We let our weapons do the talking. To anyone else in Aaron's alliance I have talked to in local or elsewhere I apologize for any times I may kill you or prevent you from ratting. My problem is not with you. It is with your leadership. Unfortunately Aaron does not see or maybe he does not care the cost to you. Either way it is not my place to say for I will admit I do not know the conversations you may or may not have had with him. I will not pretend I know more than I do. What I do know is that there is no way Aaron will kill us while he sits cloaked up smacking. If you truly can defeat us with the ease that you claim come out of hiding and try. We are here. We are waiting.
If you believe you can dwell in the system i worked so hard to secure then go ahead.
as i said many times, Rule number 234: Never fight on their terms.
as it stands AOV are losing the battle against me and my alliance, and its only 5 of us on the front line.
Make no mistake, your caught up in a bitter battle that you have no chance of ever winning. I will never fight you on your terms always on mine.
Oh, and do you have an explanation for buying ALL of the ammo on the market?
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Kva Plexcha
Gallente Doing You Right
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Posted - 2010.03.21 00:02:00 -
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First, working and on phone so replies are .... painful at best.
I will come down and assess it firsthand. The logistics of this means about a week to end up there. Let's simply start with that. No promises other than I would like to see Hub Zero prosper.
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Diocles
Barely Illegal
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Posted - 2010.03.21 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Diocles on 21/03/2010 00:39:47
Originally by: Aaron Still waiting for a response from Major Trant.........
Nope, not yet.....
Quote: Still waiting for a response from Major Trant.........
BTW, have you looked at the GLOWING plaudit's for that selfish little Major Trant..?
and......Have you ever watched the flick The Caine Mutiny?
Your song: I wouldn't wanna be like you
Strawberries!
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.03.21 01:08:00 -
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TBH I doubt Major Trant is going to bother responding to you, you're kind of like a reverse troll; "I'm waiting for your response Major Trant!"...tapping foot...
This is a fine example of your diplomatic expertise.
He probably wouldn't appreciate anyone responding in his place either, so I'd like to make it clear my post in no way reflects anyone else's opinions but the phrase "there's no point flogging a dead horse" springs to mind.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.21 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gurgeh Morat TBH I doubt Major Trant is going to bother responding to you, you're kind of like a reverse troll; "I'm waiting for your response Major Trant!"...tapping foot...
This is a fine example of your diplomatic expertise.
He probably wouldn't appreciate anyone responding in his place either, so I'd like to make it clear my post in no way reflects anyone else's opinions but the phrase "there's no point flogging a dead horse" springs to mind.
Ah ok, Im quite irritated at Major Trants attitude, from all of his long winded posts, and his constant questioning of my instructions, I kinda got the impression he would be up for leading Hub Zero, and im sure many people reading this thread can understand my frustration.
Major Trant has implied that he can do a better job than I can, but when I asked him to lead Hub Zero I have been ignored so far.
If your not prepared to do the stuff that I do i.e: lead hub zero, then do not impose your opinions onto me, give me the respect I deserve and simply follow my instructions and help me acheive my goals.
Thanks for your response Kva, I will look forward to seeing you here, and Id like you to know my services are completly at your disposal if you need them.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.21 01:43:00 -
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Logicfx, 2 more losses for you,
AOV Loss 4
AOV Loss 5
Nuff said.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.03.21 02:40:00 -
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After dwelling on it some more, I have to have another possibly misguided say.
You claim no-one could do what you have re: hub zero. So you have had to manage maybe 30 pilots at most for whom there is a real benefit in working together. I'm sure that is hard, it's why I don't aspire to be a CEO.
But Major Trant was CEO of Blue Republic and as far as I recall Head of RvB itself, however there is no game structure to support the management of two corps not in the same alliance so there is also no DB history of that.
But he had to manage 600+ players in Blue Rep alone varying from 1 week old chars to beta starters. He had to ensure the few rules RvB has were followed but without coming across as a megalomaniac dictator. The so called freedoms that you have so frequently championed in this thread seem like a total fantasy compared to the real freedom I and hundreds (not tens) of other people have enjoyed with Major as our CEO.
Now I don't want to marry him or have his children but I know without a doubt that when he was our CEO he consistently acted in the interest of the majority of both Blue Rep and Red Fed.
As you have said yourself he is no fool, but the smart CEO would have seen that from the start and not then wavered between praising him & then accusing him of all sorts of double dealing. Have you read back on your own posts? The accusations of bi-polar disorder are not without cause.
So far the posts in support of Major Trant have been purely accidental and unorganised, but if you really want to keep suggesting he is a selfish arrogant liar I am pretty sure I can get a few hundred character references posted here by virute of a single mail.
You really have ended YOUR hub zero by finally choosing someone with a known reputation to lie about. All your previous sliming out of arguments through persuasive PR won't eradicate the fact that you will only be able to find your own personal shills willing to degenerate Major Trant.
I can smell you already attempting to claim some sort of personal victory because you have offered him the 'leadership' of hub zero. Don't you see that this is only a victory in your own little world? Has it even occurred to you that some people mght question your judgement simply because it is flawed and detrimental to the group? That they don't necessarily wish to take your position of 'power'? Ever heard of the napoleon complex? It's a myth that it is pertinent only to short people. It is about being overly obsessed with control and you suffer from it badly. Several times in the last 56 pages you have decided to quit Hub zero or hand it over, and yet you still can't leave it alone.
Anyway I believe, but I can't speak for him, that the last thing Major Trant envisaged when quitting as CEO of Blue Republic was to find himself thrust straight back into a political role.
I think you had an excellent idea, in fact most of your current (vocal on forums) enemies all seem to agree it's a great idea. Nowhere in 56 pages is there any real critiscism about the idea.
Maybe you should simply wander off claiming kudos for the idea & planting the seed? Because it will never grow while you are the gardener.
You may say I haven't been there, etc.. etc... but I have spent many, many hours of my life following this thread, tbh following your dream. I think the right person (much more likely people) could even make it work, but it simply isn't, ever, going to be you.
I had a brief look back over the thread. I say brief but actually I mean way too long and tedious, a look back to see how many excited hub zero noobs were still extolling the virtues of your leadership. Well there's you, and roostertron. Even your (known) alts seem to have lost interest. What does that suggest to you?
The real question is is it your ideal or your place in the scheme of things that really counts? Why not do the best for your idea and truly hand it over to someone better able to deal with other people
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Diocles
Barely Illegal
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Posted - 2010.03.21 02:40:00 -
[1676]
OMG U R L337 Killzor
Nobody will mess with you.
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.03.21 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
Major Trant has implied that he can do a better job than I can, but when I asked him to lead Hub Zero I have been ignored so far.
If your not prepared to do the stuff that I do i.e: lead hub zero, then do not impose your opinions onto me, give me the respect I deserve and simply follow my instructions and help me acheive my goals.
Have you ever met Terrus Valkin? I hope not, because if you did the universe would probably implode. You are exactly like him. Unable to imagine you might be wrong. Incapable of viewing your words or actions from an objective point of view and always utterly offended if someone else suggests any alternative to your fixed ideal.
I would honestly think it was hilarious if it didn't depress me so much.
Please tell me truthfully; have you tried re-reading this thread? Do you have any kind of significant other? You know, someone who loves you but doesn't want to see you delude yourself? I mean someone who won't skip over the parts where you go fruity loopy on perfectly sane & reasonable individuals?
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Gurgeh Morat
Gallente Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.03.21 03:12:00 -
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I find it really hilarious that while I was coming up with the line.." I can smell you claiming victory" because MT didn't suddenly wrest control of Hub Zero from your clammy hands, that you actually claimed victory.
Oh pure, pure universe, I thank you for my daily bread.
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.21 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gurgeh Morat
Unable to imagine you might be wrong. Incapable of viewing your words or actions from an objective point of view and always utterly offended if someone else suggests any alternative to your fixed ideal.
Funny, I thought I previously said I wanted Major Trant to lead Hub Zero, doesnt this prove your above statement is wrong? cant you see that I am open to other alternatives? maybe I should ignore your future posts.
Gurgeh, one thing you should agree with me on is managing a community trying to dwell in NPC 0.0 is quite different managing 2 factions whose only aim is to fight eachother. yes there are certain areas the major can apply his skills to and some areas he cant.
I have only told things as they have happened, major did try to recruit my friends and sew bad seeds among them. I am prepared to move on from these things as they are petty compared to the ultimate goal of moving neutrals into npc 0.0. Im adult enough to try to work with major on this and be true to my word.
I think ive been as reasonable as I can when i asked major to lead, I cannot work with him if he is in AOV and I will continue to agro. I am however prepared to stand down if he leaves AOV.
I'd rather not focus too much on the ego battle issue that surrounds hub zero, id like to focus on how were gonna acheive moving folk into 0.0. The bottom line is this; everyone including myself will always follow what they want to. my beef with AOV will continue and id like to try hard to not let this affect the hub zero concept.
So i'll just say, Major, contact me with your thoughts. and we will see what can be worked out.
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Gabriel Angelus
Amarr Local-Spike Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.03.21 03:46:00 -
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Morat, that is a very concise, astute, well thought out & articulate observation. It isn't the first and unfortunately it more then likely won't be the last. Anything that doesn't fit into his perception of things is, in his mind, clearly wrong. I believe he doesn't even understand the situation, he's just frustrated that he already isn't as "respected" as he believes he should be.
He has posted and said many times that once the people see, they will understand and as he said, "respect him and follow his orders". I don't think he acknowledges that people have seen for themselves and have already chosen. Path was wrong for engaging someone that was red to him. I was wrong to help organize the pilots he abandoned and others that left (the first time). Neo was wrong for organizing the Neutrals that left (the second time). The laundry list of individual pilots that left throughout the weeks were clearly wrong. Bumface Jones was wrong for leaving with Ascension (third) because of his leadership. Logicfx was wrong for siding with the best interests of his alliance (fourth). Let us not forget CCP was wrong when they closed his alt's (temptress huni) thread for Hub Zero. The Major was wrong for flying with pilots he got along with and respected. Finally EVERYONE is wrong that posts ANYTHING negative about him. Sorry if i missed anyone, i only swing by UF occasionally. In his mind we are all wrong, and clearly we fail to understand.
When the multitude of posts, mails, private convo's don't get through. When 90%+ of the pilots that come down and fly with him, then leave dejected don't get through. When his own trusted allies tell him he's gone too far, and instead of heeding their advice, he alienates them, doesn't get through. When his own words and actions are quoted back to him, doesn't get through... I don't know what will.
I still believe the Hub endeavor can work. Only if his role is delegated to manufacture and recruitment at most. Unfortunately i doubt he can see the "Hub" and himself as separate. In his mind they are one and the same. Sure he may announce he will hand over the reins, but he puts prerequisites in. Which is indicative of how his non leadership role would play out. Run things until he see's you do something he would do differently then he'll jump right back in.
Look at things form his perspective though. As he has already stated, he has been in UF for YEARS. He'll never leave. He'll continue to play station games or stay cloaked. He'll always coax more pilots down. Risk high sec jumps everyone now and again for T1 fittings. That's what he does. that's his niche'. UF-KKH will always be that quirky system with that quirky pilot with delusions of grandeur. As a individual pilot he's fine. As a leader, well thats when problems start. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for. |
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