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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:28:00 -
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As the title says Rokh or Raven Currently , I am just a lowly mission runner doing lvl 3 missions in a ghetto Drake Not much drama , not much excitement , mostly just mission running for the isk of it .(which is kinda crap)
Now I'm just wondering , if I plan to move into PvP sometime later in my career , should I buy a Raven now ,so I can do my lvl 4 missions and carry on my missile skills ( just a lowly 70k btw) or should I head for the Rokh and continue to sharpen up mu gunnery and stuff to be ready for future pvp ? |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:42:00 -
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If you plan to train missiles - Raven, and skip it for CNR or Golem as fast as you can afford minimal faction fit (see battleclinic for fits) If you want hybrid insta damage in PVE - re-train for gallente rail boats like Navy Mega, Vindicator or Kronos. Rokh is deadlock branch unfortunately. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
992
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:43:00 -
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with only 70k missile skills it probably isnt advisable to move on at all
When you play to PVP in the future you will cross train to another race My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:46:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:As the title says Now I'm just wondering , if I plan to move into PvP sometime later in my career , should I buy a Raven now ,so I can do my lvl 4 missions and carry on my missile skills ( just a lowly 70k btw) or should I head for the Rokh and continue to sharpen up mu gunnery and stuff to be ready for future pvp ?
Go for Raven for PvE and note the stuff Sarmatiko has posted.
If you go into PvP, then put effort into Gunnery skills for the long term (paired with Gallente, Minmatar or Amarr ships). Missiles are okayish for Drakes as FOTM, but you want go into turrets as soon as you gain some PvP experience. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:48:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:If you plan to train missiles - Raven, and skip it for CNR or Golem as fast as you can afford minimal faction fit (see battleclinic for fits) If you want hybrid insta damage in PVE - re-train for gallente rail boats like Navy Mega, Vindicator or Kronos. Rokh is deadlock branch unfortunately.
really? I heard the Rokh is a pretty solid hybrid platform and can tank a lot of hits why is it a deadlock branch? |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:59:00 -
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Colonel Xaven wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:As the title says Now I'm just wondering , if I plan to move into PvP sometime later in my career , should I buy a Raven now ,so I can do my lvl 4 missions and carry on my missile skills ( just a lowly 70k btw) or should I head for the Rokh and continue to sharpen up mu gunnery and stuff to be ready for future pvp ? Go for Raven for PvE and note the stuff Sarmatiko has posted. If you go into PvP, then put effort into Gunnery skills for the long term (paired with Gallente, Minmatar or Amarr ships). Missiles are okayish for Drakes as FOTM, but you want go into turrets as soon as you gain some PvP experience.
so... what is the role of the Rokh?
if its not very useful in PvE , or is it useful in Pvp, as its outdone by Megathron in terms of rail and minmatarr ships in terms of versatility why is it even here?
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:02:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:really? I heard the Rokh is a pretty solid hybrid platform and can tank a lot of hits why is it a deadlock branch? -Æ-¦cause training Caldari Battleship V wont give you gun marauder or hybrid pirate battleship. You will have only two choices to increase your DPS - retrain for gallente until Kronos or train full Amarr branch until Nightmare. Ofc you will get your 630 dps with Antimatter on Rokh if you want.
Rokh is better than Megathron in PVE, equal to Navy Mega (if you dont have drone skills) and worse than Vindicator and Kronos.
As far as I know, currently in PVP Rokh used as CTA sniper boat and small gang pvp with blasters. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:08:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:really? I heard the Rokh is a pretty solid hybrid platform and can tank a lot of hits why is it a deadlock branch? -Æ-¦cause training Caldari Battleship V wont give you gun marauder or hybrid pirate battleship. You will have only two choices to increase your DPS - retrain for gallente until Kronos or train full Amarr branch until Nightmare. Ofc you will get your 630 dps with Antimatter on Rokh if you want.
alrighty then Going Megathron it is so.. should I buy the Megathron right away and grind for iskies till I have the skills for the maruader mega or stick in a Drake and wait it out? |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:10:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:really? I heard the Rokh is a pretty solid hybrid platform and can tank a lot of hits why is it a deadlock branch? -Æ-¦cause training Caldari Battleship V wont give you gun marauder or hybrid pirate battleship. You will have only two choices to increase your DPS - retrain for gallente until Kronos or train full Amarr branch until Nightmare. Ofc you will get your 630 dps with Antimatter on Rokh if you want.
wait a sec http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/8064-Rokh-PVP-Solo-Blaster-Boat.html
he's churning out 900+ dps???? |
Crellion
Parental Control
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:11:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:really? I heard the Rokh is a pretty solid hybrid platform and can tank a lot of hits why is it a deadlock branch? -Æ-¦cause training Caldari Battleship V wont give you gun marauder or hybrid pirate battleship. You will have only two choices to increase your DPS - retrain for gallente until Kronos or train full Amarr branch until Nightmare. Ofc you will get your 630 dps with Antimatter on Rokh if you want. alrighty then Going Megathron it is so.. should I buy the Megathron right away and grind for iskies till I have the skills for the maruader mega or stick in a Drake and wait it out?
Rokh isnt all that bad and it could well be getting better in a hurry... Naga is a better gun platform than the Talos too (yeah yeah I know all about the 5 light drones...). Tbh I would do both.
Start with Rokh which is good for missions (antimatter at all ranges and an uber tank) and then move on to Gallente ships which can incease yout dps even further. It will take a LOT of SPs though before the additional dps of a Mega is preferable to the additional tank of the Rokh for PvE... |
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Sup B1tches
Quovis CORE Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:14:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:really? I heard the Rokh is a pretty solid hybrid platform and can tank a lot of hits why is it a deadlock branch? -Æ-¦cause training Caldari Battleship V wont give you gun marauder or hybrid pirate battleship. You will have only two choices to increase your DPS - retrain for gallente until Kronos or train full Amarr branch until Nightmare. Ofc you will get your 630 dps with Antimatter on Rokh if you want. alrighty then Going Megathron it is so.. should I buy the Megathron right away and grind for iskies till I have the skills for the maruader mega or stick in a Drake and wait it out?
Firstly, if you have only 70k in missile skills, for the love of god don't get into a BS yet!
Really you should spend a few days training up some Social skills to get loads more rewards, LPs and iskies. Just 5 days at most is all you need for them, and you will notice the difference.
Spend the next week or two training up every missile skill you possibly can, get all the missile support skills to 4, HMLs to 4, then get Cruise launchers to 4 before you even inject the Caldari BS skillbook.
The Rokh is a very good small gang pvp BS when done right, training up your hybrid skills would be a bit of a waste at the moment though. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:20:00 -
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Sup B1tches wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:really? I heard the Rokh is a pretty solid hybrid platform and can tank a lot of hits why is it a deadlock branch? -Æ-¦cause training Caldari Battleship V wont give you gun marauder or hybrid pirate battleship. You will have only two choices to increase your DPS - retrain for gallente until Kronos or train full Amarr branch until Nightmare. Ofc you will get your 630 dps with Antimatter on Rokh if you want. alrighty then Going Megathron it is so.. should I buy the Megathron right away and grind for iskies till I have the skills for the maruader mega or stick in a Drake and wait it out? Firstly, if you have only 70k in missile skills, for the love of god don't get into a BS yet! Really you should spend a few days training up some Social skills to get loads more rewards, LPs and iskies. Just 5 days at most is all you need for them, and you will notice the difference. Spend the next week or two training up every missile skill you possibly can, get all the missile support skills to 4, HMLs to 4, then get Cruise launchers to 4 before you even inject the Caldari BS skillbook. The Rokh is a very good small gang pvp BS when done right, training up your hybrid skills would be a bit of a waste at the moment though.
whys that? If i am going to move up to a Hybrid bs in a few months anyway , why still waste the time on missiles? if I am not going to go pvping in a Drake anytime soon , and can't solo lvl4 in a drake effectively no matter what? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:40:00 -
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drake and tengu are the bread and butter of many players in pvp as well as pve, so training heavy missiles is not a bad idea in any case. i remember farming wormholes with my drake back when i had only 5mil SP or so. made enough moneys to afford a faction fit nightmare without ever undocking more than 70mil. as for your question about lvl4s: it is true that the gallente ships are better hybrid platforms but if you really want to optimize mission running, you should consider the machariel or nightmare. they can both bring the DPS of a blaster rokh without the severe drawback of low range. if you want to stick with missiles, the navy raven is the way to go. it would have the advantage that you can profit from the missile support skills you already trained and you only need to get caldari BS as well as cruise missiles to 4 to make it work, so no need to trainup gunnery (at least for now).
on a side note: you want drone interfacing IV before you go into lvl4 missions, no matter which battleship you choose. |
TomyLobo
Posthuman Society Elysian Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:51:00 -
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Rokh all the way. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:06:00 -
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lots of conflicting ideas here |
Otrebla Utrigas
Space Bastards
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:12:00 -
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I will recommend the SNI. A bit more expensive than the Rokh. half the cost of the CNR and you have the tank in the rokh and the DPS in the CNR. Even with one less cruise launcher, you can fit target painters and uber tank so you will have the same DPS against cruisers and frigates than a CNR (maybe more)
Since i bought her I did most hard L4 except worlds collide alone and without docking (just burning a few cap booster charges)
And I have 3.1 mill SP total, so no big deal |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:13:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:lots of conflicting ideas here that's because there are several ways to do stuff. we're just listing the options; it's up to you to decide which one you like most. |
Ashimat
Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:25:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:lots of conflicting ideas here Thats because any answer on the form "Apples are better than Bananas" are more or less useless unless you have a context.
Above statement is obviously false if I'm allergic to apples. |
Boomhaur
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:39:00 -
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I think it should be a Rokh or T2 fitted Drake. It takes a lot longer to train a Raven up properly than a Drake, you can fit a T2 Drake with Scourge missiles and an AB (important to get close enough to BS's that have defenders so they can't use them if you want to apply full DPS, and so you can jet can 1 ammo and set orbit to speed tank the lazy way). Doing this you can do lv4 missions somewhat confortably though slow in comparison to properly trained characters on better ships, though if you had taken the Raven route you be doing it quite a bit slower for a quite awhile till you get your skills up and you have to juggle TP's and otherwise have to be more involved in your mission.
Though with your current skills for gunnery and missiles you have almost none. My advice don't rush to BS, if you do you will die a horrible death many times over. Train up everything to be T2 in tank and cruiser sized weapons and have good support skills that is relevant to the type of ships your fly, than think about BS ships. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:46:00 -
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Boomhaur wrote:It takes a lot longer to train a Raven up properly than a Drake
Naturally. However, it takes a lot less time to train for a Raven than most Battleships. |
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:49:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Boomhaur wrote:It takes a lot longer to train a Raven up properly than a Drake Naturally. However, it takes a lot less time to train for a Raven than most Battleships.
so bascially is stay in the smaller ships , and wait till I have several mil worth of the combat skills related to the ship i want to fly |
Otrebla Utrigas
Space Bastards
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:54:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Boomhaur wrote:It takes a lot longer to train a Raven up properly than a Drake Naturally. However, it takes a lot less time to train for a Raven than most Battleships. so bascially is stay in the smaller ships , and wait till I have several mil worth of the combat skills related to the ship i want to fly
Not really. with good fit skills (core competency certificates) you can fit a standard Raven to fly most L4 in 2 days skill worth, with just two buttons: - FIRE ZE MIZZILES!!!! - BOOOSTT ZAT SHILDS!!!
The income boost is quite good and the raven will pay itself in few days.
Also, follow the EVE survival guides to the letter. You should never lose a ship if you do.
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:54:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Boomhaur wrote:It takes a lot longer to train a Raven up properly than a Drake Naturally. However, it takes a lot less time to train for a Raven than most Battleships. so bascially is stay in the smaller ships , and wait till I have several mil worth of the combat skills related to the ship i want to fly
Pretty much, yeah. Train a lot of the universal skills such as those that increase Capacitor, Shield, Armor, CPU/PowerGrid etc etc. Meanwhile you pick up stuff like Medium Turrets or Heavy Missiles and fly a Cruiser/Battlecruiser as you skill up. The Raven, however, is a lot less skill demanding to "fly properly".
In any case, losing a Cruiser because you were in over your head is a lot less painful than losing a Battleship! |
Shaen Vesuvius
A pink Cow
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:07:00 -
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If you want isk, don't do lvl 4's untill you can run them efficiently. It will take training time to do so.
Atm I'd say you are better off running lvl 3's quickly rather than chewing through an ardious lvl4. There are probably a few things you can do to up your current income without switching to a BS running lvl 4's. (loot, salvage, blitz missions, LP etc)
Also, you can pvp in a Drake, probably better than in a Raven.
Last also, most skills used to fly a Drake can be used to fly a .....TENGU.
If you want to PvP, Gallente armor tanked ships won't be your first choice anyway. It will be shield tanked Minmatar. but that's far into your future so don't worry about it. Just enjoy the game. |
Maeltstome
Epidemic. F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:21:00 -
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[Rokh, Blasters]
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Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
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Hammerhead II x5
150k EHP, 900-1000 Guns DPS, 150 drone dps (ECM drones probably better..). 10k Optimal on void.
People who slate the rokh have never flown it with decent skills. Raven lovers hate the rock... but i can tell you from experience that it rips holes in people just as effectively as a megathron... with less reliance on drone DPS.
For PVE the raven is better though... cause you just press f1 and go afk. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:23:00 -
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GEES! what do I DOOoooooo WHAT TO Doooooo
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Sub Chunker
Caldari Capital Construction Company
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:40:00 -
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I'm in the same boat (literally a drake).
All the advice I've received is up to this point is pretty consistent. Take your time. Skill up before moving into a battleship.
Also, keep in mind that CCP is in the process of re-balancing the ships (starting with frigates in the upcoming Inferno update). Also they are changing the skill progression to make the hierarchy of ships make more sense (see the inferno relase notes).
These changes could really impact where you find yourself (and are another strong argument to stay in a battlecruiser for the time being). |
Maeltstome
Epidemic. F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:42:00 -
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If you want to PVE go with the raven skill tree.
All i can say is though: Every caldari i know who decided to PVP has hated missiles (the tengu and drake are fun, but cant do everything) and wished they had trained blasters so they could fly gallente.
So it's really up to what your future holds. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:46:00 -
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i remember having the same problem as you. what i ended up doing is get decent drake skills and pimping a drake with faction launchers and BCUs for fast lvl3 grinding. then i dropped 2mil SP into drone skills to get T2 light drones with ~80dps and after that skilled gunnery and amarr ships to fly harbinger and eventually nightmare. once you have some cash reserves from lvl3s, you can switch it up a little and try exploration/wormhole diving. the drake excels at soloing low class wormholes and is not as painful to lose when you get ganked. |
Sine DeusNomine
Inner Sphere Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:34:00 -
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Okay really I would put the Rohk on the back burner. because it is more skill intensive then some missle boats. If you do not have the skills or the guns your going to be hurting in the rohk.
Scorpion Navy Issue is the best BS to use with low skills. you are going to out DPS a raven any day with it because you can fit BCU accross the bottom and shield tank the mid slots. Where on a raven you have to sacrafice the BCU's for cap rechargers.
So after you get comfortable at doing lvl 4s in your scorpion navy issue. then you can either choose to keep training your shielding skills and missle skills to get well enough where you will not loose your spendy CNI. Trust me CNI are very easily lost if you do not have the ability to tank it well enough so that means all shielding skills to lvl 4 if not 5. and get tech 2 cruise launcher and all related missle skills at least up to lvl 4 if not 5. before you get in your CNI. you can easily put out 400-500 DPS with a scorpion navy issue at low lvl skills.
Or if you find you do not like running a cruise missle boat and feel you want insta damage you can then start making your long haul to the Rohk. you will probably need to spend 2 months training skills with it if not a little longer before you can start doing lvl 4s. 5 months before it becomes really really good at lvl 4s.
But really the Scorpion Navy Issue is probably the best Low skill lvl 4 mission boat out there.
Be careful on mission like world's collide, Dread Pirate, blockade. They hit you hard. Worlds collide can be the worst because they scram you and once that happens you can be pretty sell screwed if you are not skilled enough to where you can tank alot.
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