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Rond Dorlezahn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.22 07:41:00 -
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So it seems to me like the Merlin will be a blaster boat in a few hours. For those who have not caught the patch notes, here are the new Merlin specs:
New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 5% to shield resistances per level. Slot layout: 3 High, 4 Mid, 3 Low; 3 turrets and no launchers. Fittings: 40 PWG, 180 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500 / 350 / 400 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 / 175 s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 / 3.6 / 997000 / 3.36 s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 580 / 5 Sensor strength: 11 Gravimetric Signature radius: 39
For further reference, here is the new Incursus, the other Inferno hybrid frigate:
Incursus: improved role as close range brawler. New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to armor repairer effectiveness per level. Slot layout: 3 High, 3 Mid, 4 Low; 3 turrets and no launchers. Fittings: 45 PWG, 135 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 400 / 450 / 500 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 370 / 185 s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 340 / 3.15 / 1028000 / 3.0 s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 5 / 5 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 30km / 600 / 4 Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric Signature radius: 42
The important part for the Merlin would appear to be the change from 5% Optimal Range/Rank to 5% Damage/Rank for Hybrids. I know more about Amarr and Gallente ships than I do Caldari, but I would not be surprised to see this damage bonus cropping up on a lot of other Hybrid-focused Caldari hulls. I'm training up Hybrids right now anyway, so I've got some questions that I hope will inspire a longer conversation than it takes to answer my own questions.
-Is a greater affinity for blaster brawling a thing Caldari pilots need, or want? -How will the Merlin compare to the new Incursus as a blaster boat? -Assuming larger hulls get this shift towards hybrid damage, how would they stack up against Gallente blaster boats, which are obviously the kings of the weapon right now? -Relevant to the last two, how would Shield tanking work out for such Caldari blaster boats?
I'm not a huge fan of missile boats, but I love the aesthetics of the Caldari hybrid ships. My hope for Caldari hybrid ships that are on-par with Gallente ships might be in vain, but a man can dream. What do you folk think? |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.22 07:49:00 -
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"New bonuses: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 5% to shield resistances per level."
Damn, son. It will be sort of a Shield-based Punisher. |
Ashimat
Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost
20
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Posted - 2012.05.22 08:51:00 -
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Quote:-Is a greater affinity for blaster brawling a thing Caldari pilots need, or want? Looking at how cold the missile-boats leave me, hybrids are the primary weapon-system for Caldari, and have been for a while |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:29:00 -
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Ashimat wrote:Quote:-Is a greater affinity for blaster brawling a thing Caldari pilots need, or want? Looking at how cold the missile-boats leave me, hybrids are the primary weapon-system for Caldari, and have been for a while
BY GOD! what happened to your face? |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1564
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:01:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Ashimat wrote:Quote:-Is a greater affinity for blaster brawling a thing Caldari pilots need, or want? Looking at how cold the missile-boats leave me, hybrids are the primary weapon-system for Caldari, and have been for a while BY GOD! what happened to your face?
It's:
CCP Nullarbor wrote: An Official Response From CCP
Dude... your face?
Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Zarnak Wulf
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
351
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:21:00 -
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To OP-
I absolutely want brawler Caldari Blaster boats. In alot of ways they are more practical to use then Gallente blaster boats. The hybrid buffs really hit the Caldari boats in their sweet spot. They can usually fit ions or nuetrons AND have an impressive tank. As shield tankers they can load their low slots with damage mods and tracking enhancers. They may not have the raw damage potential of Gallente but they can hit out alot farther. The Ferox can project 11km optimal and 11km falloff with Null for example.
The Ancillary Shield Boosters are a game changer as well. After playing around on SISSI the X-Large A Booster on a Ferox allows it to have a very sick tank and a web. Talk about shocked opponents....
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Reppyk
The Black Shell
123
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:29:00 -
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Rond Dorlezahn wrote:The important part for the Merlin would appear to be the change from 5% Optimal Range/Rank to 5% Damage/Rank for Hybrids. HOW DARE YOU IT WAS 10% OPTI HERETIC THE MERLIN CURSE IS ON YOU |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:52:00 -
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Finally my hybrid skils are not completely wasted, I'll be able to fly good blaster ships from now on instead of Gatellente junk. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
92
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:56:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Finally my hybrid skils are not completely wasted, I'll be able to fly good blaster ships from now on instead of Gatellente junk.
Because the new Merlin will out-perform stuff like the Brutix.
Right...? xD |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.05.22 11:59:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Finally my hybrid skils are not completely wasted, I'll be able to fly good blaster ships from now on instead of Gatellente junk. Because the new Merlin will out-perform stuff like the Brutix. Right...? xD
I'm quite sure you have some issues with size. Don't worry this will go away when you become an adult
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
92
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:03:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Finally my hybrid skils are not completely wasted, I'll be able to fly good blaster ships from now on instead of Gatellente junk. Because the new Merlin will out-perform stuff like the Brutix. Right...? xD I'm quite sure you have some issues with size. Don't worry this will go away when you become an adult
Come again? |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:12:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Finally my hybrid skils are not completely wasted, I'll be able to fly good blaster ships from now on instead of Gatellente junk. Because the new Merlin will out-perform stuff like the Brutix. Right...? xD I'm quite sure you have some issues with size. Don't worry this will go away when you become an adult Come again?
Her I am !
You're right, I'm sure after DT we'll see Brutixes all over the place (where hulks mine).
By the way next expansion name will be "Brutix On Line vs evil Hulks On Line"
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
92
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:19:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Finally my hybrid skils are not completely wasted, I'll be able to fly good blaster ships from now on instead of Gatellente junk. Because the new Merlin will out-perform stuff like the Brutix. Right...? xD I'm quite sure you have some issues with size. Don't worry this will go away when you become an adult Come again? Her I am ! You're right, I'm sure after DT we'll see Brutixes all over the place (where hulks mine). By the way next expansion name will be "Brutix On Line vs evil Hulks On Line"
You're making no sense. How is this related to your idea of the new Merlin allowing you to not have to use Gallente blasterboats +í la the Brutix? |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:32:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:
You're making no sense. How is this related to your idea of the new Merlin allowing you to not have to use Gallente blasterboats +í la the Brutix?
Because range because speed because fittings and because tank. Some T2 Gallente blaster frigs can push 700dps on paper with a decent tank/speed, however in reality Blarpy works better and I can safely say it's just FOTOM. |
Bent Barrel
51
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:34:00 -
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looks like I will train shield skills now ... seems to complement the incursus rather well as a blaster boat ... |
Zarnak Wulf
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
351
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:43:00 -
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Let me break it down for you son. Caldari hybrid boats may begin to see a trend where they move from optimal/shield bonuses to damage/shield bonuses. The Brutix competes with the Ferox, not the Merlin. A Ferox with a damage/ shield bonus will be much more useable then a Brutix. It's gank and tank don't compete. A TE will guarantee it longer range. And shield tanking will easier to fit then armour tanking. It will probably fit larger guns with more magstabs for one turret hard point less. |
Bouh Revetoile
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
21
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Posted - 2012.05.22 13:06:00 -
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Isn't the Ferox performing well already with it's optimal + resist bonus ? And what about the Rokh ?
I'm afraid Caldari hybrid boats are losing some specificities only to become closer from gallente boats, but I'm not used to caldari ships. |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate
119
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Posted - 2012.05.22 14:27:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Let me break it down for you son. Caldari hybrid boats may begin to see a trend where they move from optimal/shield bonuses to damage/shield bonuses. The Brutix competes with the Ferox, not the Merlin. A Ferox with a damage/ shield bonus will be much more useable then a Brutix. It's gank and tank don't compete. A TE will guarantee it longer range. And shield tanking will easier to fit then armour tanking. It will probably fit larger guns with more magstabs for one turret hard point less.
You are presuming the Brutix won't get changed with tiericide. If the incursus is any indication, I foresee (hope for) a 10% rep bonus and an extra low. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
123
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Posted - 2012.05.22 15:21:00 -
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Hrett wrote:You are presuming the Brutix won't get changed with tiericide. If the incursus is any indication, I foresee (hope for) a 10% rep bonus and an extra low. And some PWG. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
125
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Posted - 2012.05.22 21:56:00 -
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If they give my brutix enough PG for 7 250 rails and a tank... |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1580
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:44:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:If they give my brutix enough PG for 7 250 rails and a tank...
Would it be able to *SNIPE* Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Victor Sane
Aerodyne Nova
1
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Posted - 2012.05.24 12:07:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Ashimat wrote:Quote:-Is a greater affinity for blaster brawling a thing Caldari pilots need, or want? Looking at how cold the missile-boats leave me, hybrids are the primary weapon-system for Caldari, and have been for a while BY GOD! what happened to your face? It's:
CCP Nullarbor wrote: An Official Response From CCP
Dude... your face?
uhmm yea she looks like a breed from battlestar gallactica with gaius and kara's face.... other words she looks like a she*male (wups) |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.05.24 12:19:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:To OP-
I absolutely want brawler Caldari Blaster boats. In alot of ways they are more practical to use then Gallente blaster boats. The hybrid buffs really hit the Caldari boats in their sweet spot. They can usually fit ions or nuetrons AND have an impressive tank. As shield tankers they can load their low slots with damage mods and tracking enhancers. They may not have the raw damage potential of Gallente but they can hit out alot farther. The Ferox can project 11km optimal and 11km falloff with Null for example.
The Ancillary Shield Boosters are a game changer as well. After playing around on SISSI the X-Large A Booster on a Ferox allows it to have a very sick tank and a web. Talk about shocked opponents....
+1 here main Gallente/hybrids first training pain
Until CCP balances ships decently, witch is in the way but will be very slow, Calamari blaster platforms outperform gallente ones because better tank, range dmg application with little difference, better manoeuvrability. The only reason I see to take Gallente hull over Calamari one is when sitting at a gate or at a station undock. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.05.24 12:22:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Jayrendo Karr wrote:If they give my brutix enough PG for 7 250 rails and a tank... Would it be able to *SNIPE*
Deimost same problem
Rails Proteus same problem
Each and every one of these needs a snowflake fit to be able to fit the dam rails but then, no tank dmg/tracking mods because no more CPU/PG or slots.
Ridiculous.
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Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.05.24 12:56:00 -
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Sniping has been dead for some time now due to on grid warping/probing. It will continue to remain dead for everything not using large weapons apart from the odd Cormorant. 10% optimal range isn't going that change that.
Merlin blaster is very good:
[Merlin, dps/boost]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Does 240 overheated dps, 147.6 overheat tank and 4k overheated speed. |
Aulx-Gao Ekanon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.24 14:05:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:+1 here main Gallente/hybrids first training pain
Until CCP balances ships decently, witch is in the way but will be very slow, Calamari blaster platforms outperform gallente ones because better tank, range dmg application with little difference, better manoeuvrability. The only reason I see to take Gallente hull over Calamari one is when sitting at a gate or at a station undock.
Calamari?! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It's not paranoia if everyone really is out to get you.-á |
Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:56:00 -
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Victor Sane wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Looking at how cold the missile-boats leave me, hybrids are the primary weapon-system for Caldari, and have been for a while BY GOD! what happened to your face? It's:
CCP Nullarbor wrote: An Official Response From CCP
Dude... your face?
It's Jan Lynch and Michael Jackson's love child. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1585
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:59:00 -
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Plus 1 wrote:Victor Sane wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Looking at how cold the missile-boats leave me, hybrids are the primary weapon-system for Caldari, and have been for a while BY GOD! what happened to your face? It's:
CCP Nullarbor wrote: An Official Response From CCP
Dude... your face?
It's Jan Lynch and Michael Jackson's love child.
Xenuria's face was spectacular back when that thread happened. Can't find a picture though. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Blue Wingman
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 00:29:00 -
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Aulx-Gao Ekanon wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:+1 here main Gallente/hybrids first training pain
Until CCP balances ships decently, witch is in the way but will be very slow, Calamari blaster platforms outperform gallente ones because better tank, range dmg application with little difference, better manoeuvrability. The only reason I see to take Gallente hull over Calamari one is when sitting at a gate or at a station undock. Calamari?!
Calamari
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Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
27
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Posted - 2012.05.28 04:54:00 -
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Rokh will become a hybrid and shield version of the Abaddon.
5% damage and shield resist.
Coming in 2020. |
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