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Pseudo Sasaya
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Posted - 2009.07.10 18:31:00 -
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I am curious what other people are doing for this.
I have been salvaging using the tractors on an orca and my old savage destroyer (T2 salvagers). The destroyer seems like overkill though. It is big, it has more hold then I need, and 8 salvagers are a pain in the expletive to manage (not to mention not very helpful).
I keep thinking that a frigate or AF might work better and take up less room in the maintenance bay. Thoughts?
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Mortomsk
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Posted - 2009.07.10 18:49:00 -
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Right now I use a coercer with 4 salvagers, 4 tractor beams, cargo expanders, inertial stab. and a 10MN afterburner for travel between debris pockets. So far it has been working really well for me.
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Iece Quaan
Caldari Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2009.07.10 18:49:00 -
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I love okra, especially fried.
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Ethidium
The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.10 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pseudo Sasaya I am curious what other people are doing for this.
I have been salvaging using the tractors on an orca and my old savage destroyer (T2 salvagers). The destroyer seems like overkill though. It is big, it has more hold then I need, and 8 salvagers are a pain in the expletive to manage (not to mention not very helpful).
I keep thinking that a frigate or AF might work better and take up less room in the maintenance bay. Thoughts?
I'm partial to my Enyo when I know I'm not heading into someone's recon 3/3, and a Navitas is only 10000m^3 if you really want to save space.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.07.10 21:09:00 -
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Well, using tractors means that they are "your" wrecks, because you can't tractor wrecks made by someone else. The cargo capacity of the Orca means that there's no need for large cargo capacity in the salvage ship. The range and speed of the tractors means there is limited need for speed and maneuverability on the part of the salvage ship, because there are only 3 tractors. My recommendation in this case would be some fast frigate, either Tech 1 or Tech 2. If you invest in salvage rigs, you can get 50+% chances of salvaging in a single cycle, so you don't need huge numbers of turret slots. In the event that a few wrecks are outside tractor range you can zoom out and grab them. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Firenze93
Caldari Vivi Vox Veritas Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.07.10 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Iece Quaan I love okra, especially fried.
Rofl
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.10 21:37:00 -
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I use an Orca with a Hurricane. Those 8 T2 salvagers with rigs make short work of the ball of wrecks around the Orca. They're not really hat difficult to manage - I put two salvagers on every wreck, so it's just four keyboard clicks (I can mash two buttons at once - I'm talented that way).
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Sheikh Yarbhouti
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Posted - 2009.07.10 22:53:00 -
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I just have an alt in an Exequeror follow my Golem character. The Golem has 3 tractors mounted, and the Exeq has 4 T2 salvagers (with salvage tackle rigs). This works pretty well, as I don't have to wait to finish the mission, leave, come back with the Orca, and so forth. Sometimes I can start tractoring while still doing the missions.
It would be faster still if I traded the Exeq for some other ship that had both cargo capacity and high slots, but so far I'm making do with what I have. This combination is working pretty well, and is the fastest I've tried so far.
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Edarti
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Posted - 2009.07.11 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dracthera I use an Orca with a Hurricane. Those 8 T2 salvagers with rigs make short work of the ball of wrecks around the Orca. They're not really hat difficult to manage - I put two salvagers on every wreck, so it's just four keyboard clicks (I can mash two buttons at once - I'm talented that way).
Why nt just make groups.
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Shatner19
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Posted - 2009.07.11 08:49:00 -
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you cant group salvagers.
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Konpai
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Posted - 2009.07.11 19:56:00 -
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I'm actually timing my Orca salvaging times at the moment, I may post the information, but so far it seems Orca + Destroyer works very well in comparison to my old Hurricane salvager. But I'm curious to find if the time it takes for Orca to align/warp is outweighed by the tractor beam range/speed.
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Canute Minealot
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Posted - 2009.07.12 00:10:00 -
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My Salvage Orca setup 3 x Small Tractor beam 100MN Afterburner II or better Nanofiber Internal Structure II Signal Amplifier II
With the Afterburner and Nanofiber you are faster then most Tank BS. Signam Amp. for the extra 2 locking targets, at this way you can have a new set of tractor targets locked. Salvaging with Destroyer type ship at the Ship Maintance. At This way you never have to worry about Cargo space, during the day. You can sort out good loot into your Corp hanger.
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Sa'y
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Posted - 2009.07.12 07:31:00 -
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Doesn't seem like the salvage would be any faster for a glorified 500 mil salvaging piece of equipment alone, you'd just have to rotate faster through the wrecks that destroyers could handle just as well within 20km and outside that range...considering that moving the vessel to within a range inside a cluster of wrecks (at 20km might take a lesser amount of time that a 1km/s tractor on the orca) means less distance for such wrecks even with the velocity and range bonuses applied in the end it might not be such a great deal?! Most wreck sites that I've worked tend to be within a range of 50km radius and perhaps...the Marauder might be a great vessel as a devoted salvager (technically more high slots then the orca), but having less range bonus then the orca for tractors. Again I would question, however, the advantage of range as applied to distance, and then if having moved a ship in closer range (a radius within 20km for a cluster of wrecks), how much time savings does the tractor bonuses provide?
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Lumtwiss
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Posted - 2009.07.12 09:31:00 -
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Or you could use a Golem for salvaging, with rigs, cargoexpanders and a AB you have a nice little boat for that as well :)
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Steve McCallum
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Posted - 2009.07.12 19:50:00 -
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I use a CNR on my main to shoot things, my alt sits in a Domi with 3 tractor and 3 salvager. The Domi is loaded with drones for attack and shield repair if needed and has enough cargo space for the missions.
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H3llHound
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.07.12 20:06:00 -
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Im using a Hurricane for my salvaging 4 salv + 4 tractors, 100mn AB, Exp CH II's in the lows. Over 2k m3 space and goes close to 700m/s
And its much cheaper than an orca
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Stan Strangelove
Roid Ravagers Unitary Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.07.13 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: Stan Strangelove on 13/07/2009 02:41:11 Hurricane ftw - 2347 m3 cargo - 652m/s with MWD - enough cap for 3.5 mins of everything
[Hurricane, Salvage] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Salvager I Salvager I Salvager I
Cargohold Optimization I Salvage Tackle I Salvage Tackle I
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Sir Bum
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Posted - 2009.07.13 06:45:00 -
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Use a marauder as your mission runner, fitted with 3 tractor beams. That way you get a nice tiny wreck orb where you can warp your salvage hurricane with 8 salvagers into. Thats way more efficient than using an orca.
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chashit
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Posted - 2009.07.13 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: H3llHound Im using a Hurricane for my salvaging 4 salv + 4 tractors, 100mn AB, Exp CH II's in the lows. Over 2k m3 space and goes close to 700m/s
And its much cheaper than an orca
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Aviditas
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Posted - 2009.07.13 14:52:00 -
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Im sorry to sound harsh...but using an Orca to salvage is TOTAL misuse of the ship and shows you have far more money than common sense.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.13 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Pseudo Sasaya I am curious what other people are doing for this.
I have been salvaging using the tractors on an orca and my old savage destroyer (T2 salvagers). The destroyer seems like overkill though. It is big, it has more hold then I need, and 8 salvagers are a pain in the expletive to manage (not to mention not very helpful).
I keep thinking that a frigate or AF might work better and take up less room in the maintenance bay. Thoughts?
you use an orca for tractor beaming and think that a destroyer is overkill for salvaging? lol
i second what Aviditas said.
other than that, hurricane in the salvage maniac
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.13 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aviditas Im sorry to sound harsh...but using an Orca to salvage is TOTAL misuse of the ship and shows you have far more money than common sense.
If the Orca wasn't meant to be used in a secondary role as a mission support ship, then why the 70km range on the tractors? You can do just fine tractoring ore cans in 'roid fields with a 40km tractor range if you sit in the middle of the field. On the other hand, 70km is just about the perfect radius for tractoring in mission wrecks. Rats orbit at a little less than that range, so you end up with a wreck ball that has basically a 60km radius.
Saying that using the Orca in a way that YOU personally can't conceive of doing is a TOTAL misuse of the ship is an un-informed opinion based on nothing. I've compared looting/salvaging with the Orca+'cane combination against the 'cane by itself, and on the missions I run the Orca+'cane combination wins every time. Why wouldn't I use the best ship for the job if I can afford it?
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Contralto
GCHQ
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Posted - 2009.07.13 17:52:00 -
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Got to agree with Dracthera
If you have the tools then why not adapt them to make more use of them.
My alt carries the 7 salvager Cat' but also a 7 warfare link Damnation or Vulture, he uses the CS to boost my tanker and damage dealer, then warps to the mission to tractor the 40km plus wrecks (Kronos gets the closer wrecks) The Cat' salvages the wreck ball in under 2 minutes max.
Some lvl V missions have over 8k m3 loot so the Orca really proves its worth. He docks every few days to unload.
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Viule Sawyr
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Posted - 2009.07.14 06:32:00 -
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You guys are missing the purpose behind using an Orca.. It gets crazy tractor beam bonus. It sounds like a good use to me paired with a dessie. It would definitely make short work of any salvage job.
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Sir Bum
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Posted - 2009.07.14 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Viule Sawyr You guys are missing the purpose behind using an Orca.. It gets crazy tractor beam bonus. It sounds like a good use to me paired with a dessie. It would definitely make short work of any salvage job.
The tractor range of a marauder is enough, you just dont need the 70km of the orca.
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.14 13:05:00 -
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I must be doing something wrong but I manage to loot/salvage pretty much everything by the time I'm done shooting/re-arming/recharging the shields ready to go into the next pocket. Golem with 2x Tractors and 1x T2 Salvager. Using a separate ship for it seems like a waste of time but I've been wrong before...
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Deja Thoriz
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Posted - 2009.07.14 14:08:00 -
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Well Drac the fact that you think all an Orca does is sit in the middle of the ore belt only serves to substantiate the further assertion that youre pretty damn clueless about Orca's in general and mining ops in particular. Salvaging in a 400M isk ship is just lolz. And you think a dessie is overkill? |
Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.14 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoriz Salvaging in a 400M isk ship is just lolz. And you think a dessie is overkill?
Well, I didn't say I salvage with the Orca, just that I use the tractors to pull in wrecks. I salvage with my 'cane. It works for me, and 400M ISK is about 3 days worth of missions for me, so meh. I'll LOLZ my way to the bank with my setup. I never claimed a dessie is overkill, so I think you're answering someone else's post there.
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Sir Bum
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Posted - 2009.07.14 18:30:00 -
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The problem isnt the price, the problem is that using a marauder for missioning and a 'cane for salvaging is just faster than the hassle with an orca.
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Pseudo Sasaya
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Posted - 2009.07.14 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Bum The problem isnt the price, the problem is that using a marauder for missioning and a 'cane for salvaging is just faster than the hassle with an orca.
That is, of course, assuming you have the skills for a marauder.
Mining is my primary thing. Missions are a 'side' activity, so I am trying to make better use of the skills/tools I have.
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