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Senghir
Amarr
Deep Space Security
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:04:00 -
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Start with 300,000.
Minus the alt accounts (this is the only MMO I can think of where alts are the norm! with some people with more than two!)
Minus the gold farmers/macro miners
Minus the trial accounts.
I reckon the true population of EVE is probably more around 150,000. |
randomname4me
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:05:00 -
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0 atm its downtime
EVE Online: Rated RRR- For Explicit Breakfast Piercing Bullets. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:08:00 -
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There's no way to know for sure, but 150k sounds reasonable. It's probably within +/- 20k of that IMO.
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Lt Pizi
Gallente
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:12:00 -
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Start with 300,000.
- think its more now
Minus the alt accounts (this is the only MMO I can think of where alts are the norm! with some people with more than two!)
- can you spell DAOC ?
- read somewhere that around 20% have more than 1
Minus the trial accounts.
- why ? dont they .. interact ?
I reckon the true population of EVE is probably more around 150,000.
does it matter ?
there are 50k online
?320k? subscribed .. thats all that counts
D-R is recruiting
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Larentia Louvelle
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:49:00 -
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Server never goes much over 50k ish (and thats a good day) and generally sits between 30k-40k...now you'd think every once in a while with 300k+ subscribers we would at least get some 80k-100k days wouldn't you. Hmm there's more to this than meets the eye
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Larentia Louvelle
now you'd think every once in a while with 300k+ subscribers we would at least get some 80k-100k days wouldn't you
That would be very unlikely.
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Larentia Louvelle
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Posted - 2009.06.28 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Larentia Louvelle on 28/06/2009 12:16:36
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Larentia Louvelle
now you'd think every once in a while with 300k+ subscribers we would at least get some 80k-100k days wouldn't you
That would be very unlikely.
ya because 80k-100k ppl online would end up as a bad day in EVE.
oh damn eve-o censorship nuked my link...removed.
Lets just say the definition of the military slang I used is as follows: A confusing or chaotic situation or event, often caused by a failure of communication, an excessive amount of people attempting to accomplish a given task, or a complex environment. |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.28 12:51:00 -
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The server can only just about handle 100,000 from what they've said before iirc.
If something like 90,000 people went online stuff would probably start breaking. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.28 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Larentia Louvelle
Server never goes much over 50k ish (and thats a good day) and generally sits between 30k-40k...now you'd think every once in a while with 300k+ subscribers we would at least get some 80k-100k days wouldn't you. Hmm there's more to this than meets the eye
Yeah it's called Timezones, Jobs, College, Family. |
Spurty
Caldari
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.06.28 13:09:00 -
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if you are looking for a game where people HAVE to log in all day long for some reason, EVE is not the place to look.
rare to see over 10% of your alliance online at the same time. When your alliance can get 40% online for extended periods, big things can happen.
There again, 20% of say the goonie alliance is bigger than 100% of most average alliances lol.
150k unique humans piloting ships is a low ball figure for over 300k subscribers though.
I'm here (on the potty) reading forums. I'm not logged into tq. The 40k online pilots doesn't account for those of us that are still active while technically 'offline'.
Nice to see CCP publishing the figures though so we can 'conspiracy theorize' about the disparity of 300k subscribers and 40k online players. Don't see that on many other mmos.
Just 'high' or 'low' and that does not tell you if thats just accounts on that 'shard' or people online.
What exactly is the point you wanted to make?
Hope its not "The end is neigh" or "EVE is dying" cause no, its clearly not!
Patch day tomorrow makes me want to put up a pos now i know i don't have to waste quite so many hours setting it up.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.06.28 13:23:00 -
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CCP says EvE has 320K+ subscribers, but I never see any more than 42,000 on at the same time.
So I'll start there - 42K. Now, everyone has at least one alt, so we'll halve that, and then halve it again since so many people have more than one alt.
Now, since we know most people quit before their trial is up, we'll assume 2/3 of those are trials. Furthermore, making ISK is boring and a task only done by illegal RMT farmers. Of course there's a lot of them, so we'll halve that number again.
I don't know how many employees CCP has, but I'll be conservative and estimate it at 750. So we knock off about 1700 for CCP employees + their alts + their alt's alts.
And that leaves us with 32. Only the regular forum posters play EvE.
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.06.28 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Larentia Louvelle
Server never goes much over 50k ish (and thats a good day) and generally sits between 30k-40k...now you'd think every once in a while with 300k+ subscribers we would at least get some 80k-100k days wouldn't you. Hmm there's more to this than meets the eye
Not really when you consider that a large majority of the player base only really plays during their local "prime time". That is, after work, after school etc. So unless you fail to understand the concept of time zones then it is pretty obvious why there aren't 80k - 100k days.
Even on the weekends all but the most devoted players will probably only devote 5 or 6 hours in the afternoon or evening so the whole rolling timezone thing once again comes in to play to spread things out.
Throw in to the mix the occasional player, someone who only logs on every other evening or maybe only on the weekends and the 40k active isn't surprising at all.
Now as for the number of actual players, CCP have mentioned at one point or another that only about 20% of the player base has multiple accounts and a very small number of those have more than 2. With this and the 320k subscriptions we can easily calculate the number of actual players at something less than 256k (80% of 320k) but likely more than 200k. Of course this doesn't account for the whole macro miner/isk seller accounts but I very much doubt there are 50k+ of those, probably no more than a couple of hundred actively subscribed at any one time, if there are more then EVE is in some serious trouble.
I think the problem that a lot of people have when looking at the numbers is they tend to grossly underestimate the number of players who play on a casual or occasional once or twice a week basis. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.28 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Larentia Louvelle
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Larentia Louvelle
now you'd think every once in a while with 300k+ subscribers we would at least get some 80k-100k days wouldn't you
That would be very unlikely.
ya because 80k-100k ppl online would end up as a bad day in EVE.
No. It's simple mathematics.
To reach your numbers, we'd have to see just about every account in either the Euro- or American regions, or some mixture thereof, logged on at once. By random chance, every player in these areas would have to decide to not be at work/with the famil/with friends/slacking on the couch, an instead log in, including any and all alts they may have, and stay on for a number of hours to cover the entire TZ spectrum involved.
50k out of 300k as a common occurance is frankly an astonishingly large number as it is… |
Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.06.28 13:46:00 -
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Since noone mentioned this yet: CCP generally does not include trial accounts in their subscription numbers, they're only counting paid accounts. |
Vlaad Brannigan
Caldari
Wolfram And Heart
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Posted - 2009.06.28 14:41:00 -
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EVE Online usually has between 30-40k players online, most i've seen in a while is 42k.
Since EVE Online players seem to play EVE 24/7, I guess it's safe to say that EVE Online has 42k players!
The only time the server shows less players is when people have trouble with their ISP's or they are forced to go to work to avoid getting fired in which case they wouldn't be able to pay for their 4-6 alts.
Problem solved :)
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.06.28 17:27:00 -
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Jeez some of your are dense.
How many hours a day are you logged on?
The average player probobly spends no more then about 4 hrs max a day online. Most less then that. say 2.5 hours.
So take your 320k and divide by 6. that's about 53K people COULD be online at any given timezone. (for simplicity we pretend that the players are evenly split amongst all TZ's.)
Now, seeing as everyone isn't online EVERY night during the same time window, you get some slippage there. So if you see say 30-40K people online, you're looking at the overlap of 2 or more timezones. If you look at http://eve.coldfront.net/status/tranquility you'll see that the "peak" times are overlaps between the latest times for people in one TZ, prime time for a 2nd time zone, early for a 3rd TZ and so on.
The peaks of 50K on sundays is the result of people getting online from almost all time zones.
Actual real players, probobly around 125K.
Myself, I have 4 accounts, with 5 "real" char's(meaning char's I play almost every day with 40Mil Sp +. I make up for 5 other people with only one account.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.06.28 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Senghir
Start with 300,000.
More than 300k, but fine, 300k it is.
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Minus the alt accounts (this is the only MMO I can think of where alts are the norm! with some people with more than two!)
Allegedly, confirmed alt accounts only account for 25% of the population, so that leaves us with 225k players.
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Minus the gold farmers/macro miners
Hmm... tough one. They're players too, they just end up doing something against the EULA. But meh, let's say you cut those off too. I would say no more than 15k accounts at worst, 5k accounts is much more likely, if even that much.
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Minus the trial accounts.
Those were not included in the initial assumed 300k to begin with, so you can't "minus them out".
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I reckon the true population of EVE is probably more around 150,000.
More like 200k-220k.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.06.28 17:44:00 -
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Just one: Chribba |
Ausser
Cybertech Industrials Agency
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Posted - 2009.06.28 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Just one: Chribba
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.06.28 18:49:00 -
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Make sure not to double-dip alts and macros/farmers.
Many macro/farmer accounts would most likely fall under "alt" in CCP statistics (since a macro is by it's nature most efficient with multiple-alts).
But other then that, I'd say Akita's number sound reasonable and that adjustment wouldn't change them all that much.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.06.28 19:04:00 -
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Trail accounts are not counted to the final tally, never have never will. so if anything they should add to the number of people.
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Spurty
Caldari
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.06.28 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
Trail accounts are not counted to the final tally, never have never will. so if anything they should add to the number of people.
He has a point.
Trial accounts have nothing to do with number of subscribers
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Panzram
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.28 19:54:00 -
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im a player
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.06.28 23:18:00 -
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Everyone knows the answer is over 9000 |
ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.28 23:22:00 -
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I am Chribba's alter |
xOm3gAx
Caldari
Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2009.06.28 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ausser
Originally by: Gnulpie
Just one: Chribba
Confirming myself and all others who were once in the CA/C4 alliance of old to be alts of Chribba
Originally by: CCP Abraxas
Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
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Delta Ecks
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Posted - 2009.06.29 00:41:00 -
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If we make a reasonable assumption of 40k people online at a given time, and the estimate of 150k is correct, that would imply that the average eve player plays for over 6 hours a day, which seems high. I think that there are at least 225k unique players, thats 300k-20% alts= 240k; I really doubt there are in excess of 15k rice farming accounts.
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