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Rua
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:02:00 -
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There is a video over in my eve of two 2day old rifter pilots out killing people and having fun pvp'ing and generally harrasing people.
Skill points are not a factor, game knowledge and skills behind the keyboard are. |
Mshappypanties
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rua There is a video over in my eve of two 2day old rifter pilots out killing people and having fun pvp'ing and generally harrasing people.
Skill points are not a factor, game knowledge and skills behind the keyboard are.
Skills behind the keyboard? This whole game you click.......You dont even control your ship by maneuvering or avoiding shots, its just about who has more skills = more dmg |
Commander Yassir
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mshappypanties I think they need to make a restriction that you cant attack someone that has 5M+ skill points less than you other than sanctioned areas.
I honestly think this is a huge fail that needs to be addressed.
You know Runescape used to do something like that right? Even they realized it was a terrible idea and it was scrapped. ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mshappypanties
Originally by: Rua There is a video over in my eve of two 2day old rifter pilots out killing people and having fun pvp'ing and generally harrasing people.
Skill points are not a factor, game knowledge and skills behind the keyboard are.
Skills behind the keyboard? This whole game you click.......You dont even control your ship by maneuvering or avoiding shots, its just about who has more skills = more dmg
More skills = more choice, IF and only IF you specialise will you be on a level playing field with 40M+ SP characters.
I believe if you don't like the way skill training and character development is dealt with in Eve you should just leave it alone. Personally I think it's genious. It doesn't cater (much) to those with masses amount of time to play the game and it doesn't damage you if you can only play a few hours a week (now there's the training queue, skills get done...not faster... but certainly with less downtime.)
Oh and the importance of Transversal Velocity and Distance from target you should learn about yourself, it'll make it that more sweeter when you understand.
"PvP is about attitude first, game mechanic knowledge second and character Skill point probably fifth. Third would be to bring friends along and fourth would be to realise this is a multiplayer game so the more contacts you get (if you don't like calling the people you talk to online "friends"), the more enjoyable and faster the learning cycle generally is.
Happy trolling although I like the name as well.
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Drakarin
Gallente Amarrian-Guard
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Drakarin on 26/06/2009 18:45:51
Originally by: Sidrat Flush
Originally by: Mshappypanties
Originally by: Rua There is a video over in my eve of two 2day old rifter pilots out killing people and having fun pvp'ing and generally harrasing people.
Skill points are not a factor, game knowledge and skills behind the keyboard are.
Skills behind the keyboard? This whole game you click.......You dont even control your ship by maneuvering or avoiding shots, its just about who has more skills = more dmg
More skills = more choice, IF and only IF you specialise will you be on a level playing field with 40M+ SP characters.
I believe if you don't like the way skill training and character development is dealt with in Eve you should just leave it alone. Personally I think it's genious. It doesn't cater (much) to those with masses amount of time to play the game and it doesn't damage you if you can only play a few hours a week (now there's the training queue, skills get done...not faster... but certainly with less downtime.)
Oh and the importance of Transversal Velocity and Distance from target you should learn about yourself, it'll make it that more sweeter when you understand.
"PvP is about attitude first, game mechanic knowledge second and character Skill point probably fifth. Third would be to bring friends along and fourth would be to realise this is a multiplayer game so the more contacts you get (if you don't like calling the people you talk to online "friends"), the more enjoyable and faster the learning cycle generally is.
Happy trolling although I like the name as well.
Error. Solo PvP is entirely luck based unless you can cloak, at which point it's knowledge base. Skill doesn't come into play anywhere, just experience. There's no twitch factor, not even a little bit of it.
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Mshappypanties
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:46:00 -
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I'm doing missions now so that I can hopefully afford to fit a frigate or something...Its pretty daunting to make money when the whole community seems to be working against you.
SEems like I'm playing against the computer AND other players
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mshappypanties I'm doing missions now so that I can hopefully afford to fit a frigate or something...Its pretty daunting to make money when the whole community seems to be working against you.
SEems like I'm playing against the computer AND other players
OMG!!! Forced interaction!!!!! How on earth will you cope!
But seriously, you expect to play a PVP game without being forced to interact? This isn't WOW, so live with it. ________________________________________________ Check out my ideas! New Destroyers |
Drakarin
Gallente Amarrian-Guard
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bibbleibble
Originally by: Mshappypanties I'm doing missions now so that I can hopefully afford to fit a frigate or something...Its pretty daunting to make money when the whole community seems to be working against you.
SEems like I'm playing against the computer AND other players
OMG!!! Forced interaction!!!!! How on earth will you cope!
But seriously, you expect to play a PVP game without being forced to interact? This isn't WOW, so live with it.
You aren't forced into PvP though. Not even one bit. It's entirely consensual. The only exception to this is if you don't understand the game mechanics, or suicide ganking.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mshappypanties I'm doing missions now so that I can hopefully afford to fit a frigate or something...Its pretty daunting to make money when the whole community seems to be working against you.
SEems like I'm playing against the computer AND other players
Correct.
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Drakarin
Originally by: Bibbleibble
Originally by: Mshappypanties I'm doing missions now so that I can hopefully afford to fit a frigate or something...Its pretty daunting to make money when the whole community seems to be working against you.
SEems like I'm playing against the computer AND other players
OMG!!! Forced interaction!!!!! How on earth will you cope!
But seriously, you expect to play a PVP game without being forced to interact? This isn't WOW, so live with it.
You aren't forced into PvP though. Not even one bit. It's entirely consensual. The only exception to this is if you don't understand the game mechanics, or suicide ganking.
I didn't mean PVP so much as interaction, which CCP have made very clear is supposed to happen in every action you take. (Note: this may be physical Pew-pew PVP, or market PVP) ________________________________________________ Check out my ideas! New Destroyers |
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.26 18:53:00 -
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Quote: As a new player I have absolutely no hope at killing another player that has over 20M+ skill points. The disparity is so large it is almost pointless to even try. Better yet, these people sit around in 0.4 areas and make it completely pointless/stupid to even set foot in these areas. There is no exploration to be done because the gates are camped and you will get blown up right away.
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Aren't you the same troll that complained that gatecampers didn't let you pass just because you asked tehm nicely?
Go away, troll.
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Rua
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:02:00 -
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Actually micro management to run say a double rep hyperion while fighting outnumbered and keeping your drones up and your cap alive is behind the keyboard skills. Flying a close range frigate against a long range frigate in a dogfight is behind the keyboard skills as the best reactions and gameplan wins, have seen many T1 frig pilots catch and kill interceptors that should always beat them in EFT.
Saying that eve is nothing more than F1-F8 is false in many situations, though admitedly true in some :)
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Drakarin
Gallente Amarrian-Guard
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bibbleibble
Originally by: Drakarin
Originally by: Bibbleibble
Originally by: Mshappypanties I'm doing missions now so that I can hopefully afford to fit a frigate or something...Its pretty daunting to make money when the whole community seems to be working against you.
SEems like I'm playing against the computer AND other players
OMG!!! Forced interaction!!!!! How on earth will you cope!
But seriously, you expect to play a PVP game without being forced to interact? This isn't WOW, so live with it.
You aren't forced into PvP though. Not even one bit. It's entirely consensual. The only exception to this is if you don't understand the game mechanics, or suicide ganking.
I didn't mean PVP so much as interaction, which CCP have made very clear is supposed to happen in every action you take. (Note: this may be physical Pew-pew PVP, or market PVP)
This is true. Interaction is mandatory, but why on earth would you play an MMO if you don't even like to interact with people on a market level?
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Drakarin
This is true. Interaction is mandatory, but why on earth would you play an MMO if you don't even like to interact with people on a market level?
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Mia Zheng
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mshappypanties Honestly is the job of a new player to "tackle", because I dont know anyone that started playing this game so they can spam anti warp and webbing on someone while someone else does the actual killing...
when I first played the game that is exactly what I did.. 6 months into the game and I killed a guy 2 years older then me 1v1 |
Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 26/06/2009 19:15:52
Originally by: Mshappypanties
Originally by: Zartanic Edited by: Zartanic on 26/06/2009 17:49:21 Well I see no merit at all. Unlike all other MMORPG's I know a player can play with higher levels from week one. All I see is someone unwilling to learn. There are countless posts about how new players can have a good experience, but the Op, being a Troll, does not care about that. Unlike a game like WOW which has no risk and therefore no sense of achievement or need to learn anything this game offers that.
All I see is a lazy player, common in other MMROPG's and pandered to by the game makers a lot more as money is all those Devs care about now, but not here which is why I'm playing EVE and not another version of Kitty Island Adventure. This game is for players who like things hard and challenging, its the whole point of it.
I came back to Eve from playing 4 years in WOW to get away from these kind of people. They wrecked one game already, don't let them wreck this one as they will given half a chance.
Give them an inch and they will take a mile and then they will STILL moan for more.
Hardly, Its one thing to learn(sorry but the game isnt as complicated as you want to make it out to be) and another thing when veteran players grief new people before we can even get started.
New players already have it hard by trying to make money, but when we finally get a decent ship to do missions, you guys go and destroy it as soon as we warp. I also love the fact that veteran players go into newbie areas and drop cans all over the place, which causes us to lose a ship because we are learning. Wonderful idea!
In other games like wow, people grief but the fact of the matter is that you dont lose weeks worth of grinding missions due to some jerk.
I have been playing for 6weeks, been in and out of low sec many times and I have not been attacked once. If I had I would have had a decent chance to escape. If I had died I would not have been stupid enough to take a ship I was unhappy losing. That's obvious and its clear from the second you install the game.
If you did not research this game properly that's your fault, no one else's. IF you had spent a few minutes on these forums you would have seen extensive posts giving assistance to new players. That's what I did, why did you not do that?
That's too much effort for you?
There is a lot more to this game than 'clicking buttons'. In PVP you win or lose from choices you made long before you start fighting. It is complicated as the solutions are not obvious but they are there, learn to think and LEARN from you mistakes. WOW players moan, EVE players learn. It's a massive difference and if you can't grasp that then you will hate this game.
What killed you was not those players, you killed yourself.
This game has consequences for being dumb or lazy, not being willing to lose, you discovered that, now sit back and decide if that is the sort of game you want or not.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 26/06/2009 19:26:01 "How many skillpoints do I need to catch up to vets?"
My answer is still, "However many you have when you realize you're asking the wrong question."
I first kill in this game was a canflipper when I was all of two weeks old. Up until a little over a year ago I was a hardcore minerbear. When I first went into lowsec when FW was shiny and new I flew a Tristan with the SP equivalent of a two-month old noob.
I flew that Tristan for damn near six months, I did very with it. Now I fly mostly AFs and T1 cruisers and I routinely engage people with double or more my raw SP total.
And now, after playing this game damn near two years, I'm just *now* skilling into tech II cruisers, and tbh I don't even plan on using them much 'cause they're so expensive to lose.
It's all about specialization - core fitting skills take like a month, at the most. After that more SPs give you more options, nothing else.
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Maxpie
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:25:00 -
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Sadly, many of the oldtimers are no longer around and the players behind those accounts are newbies anyway.
He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things. |
Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 26/06/2009 19:32:46 Really WOW has spoiled so many players they see games like watching TV, seeing the world go by with no effort and it all being handed on a plate. Learning how to play the game is a concept well beyond them. Decent players in WOW are now very rare, I hope it stays dumbed down so other games can keep their integrity and not be infected by these people.
I'm no WOW hater but unfortunately that game has ruined many peoples perceptions of what a MMORPG is all about and made them the laziest players in any MMORPG.
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Sosus Red
Caldari Frontier Voyagers Crimson Dragons
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:35:00 -
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another "cant compete with old players" thread.
My advice, get together with your fellow noobs in a group of 20 or so assault frigates and go around and pwn everyone. I used to do thaT AND IT IS VERY EFFECTIVE. Newer players can get into assault frigates in a relatively short period of time and the skills that it takes to get into one will help you get inot something better down the road.
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:36:00 -
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You're still feeding it?
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:38:00 -
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Quote: Error. Solo PvP is entirely luck based unless you can cloak, at which point it's knowledge base. Skill doesn't come into play anywhere, just experience. There's no twitch factor, not even a little bit of it.
Error. Do not confuse twitch factor with skill.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mshappypanties As a new player I have absolutely no hope at killing another player that has over 20M+ skill points. The disparity is so large it is almost pointless to even try. Better yet, these people sit around in 0.4 areas and make it completely pointless/stupid to even set foot in these areas. There is no exploration to be done because the gates are camped and you will get blown up right away.
For a game that takes forever to do anything in, it seems like a huge bucket of fail on the part of the developer to make such a disparity. In other games, where the death penalty isnt as extreme, there is a "level range" of which a player cannot attack. For instance in EQ1 on the Rallos Zek server you could not attack someone greater than 4 levels below you, but in EvE with HARSHER death penalties(in EQ1 you got one item from the person you killed) they allow for people with massive amounts of gametime to just destroy new players.
Honestly is there even a point to play if you're new? Other than running missions in high security(which I may add are very boring after the 15th one), its almost evident that one has to quit the game.
Besides griefing in 0.4 gates, another pasttime of older players is to harass new players with can flipping and attacking them in high security.
I think the only reason there are so many subscriptions is because people have 3-4 alts each...
I think they need to make a restriction that you cant attack someone that has 5M+ skill points less than you other than sanctioned areas.
I honestly think this is a huge fail that needs to be addressed.
I'm a 4 month old character.
I blow up older characters regularly enough to be entertained. ♥
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Atrum Monstrum
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Atrum Monstrum on 26/06/2009 19:43:54
Originally by: Thuranni Today, they are one of the dominant 0.0 entities and just destroyed Band of Brothers, which had been the most powerful 0.0 alliance since 2004.
Sorry to have to correct but Goonswarm did NOT destroy BoB. BoB was destroyed by BoB through the form of a disgruntled member. Goonswarm took advanatge of the opportunity but Goonswarm DID NOT have a direct casue in the fall of BoB.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Atrum Monstrum Edited by: Atrum Monstrum on 26/06/2009 19:43:54
Originally by: Thuranni Today, they are one of the dominant 0.0 entities and just destroyed Band of Brothers, which had been the most powerful 0.0 alliance since 2004.
Sorry to have to correct but Goonswarm did NOT destroy BoB. BoB was destroyed by BoB through the form of a disgruntled member. Goonswarm took advanatge of the opportunity but Goonswarm DID NOT have a direct casue in the fall of BoB.
Get real. Haargorth gave them an opening, but RSF/NC still had a lot to do. They had no advantage over BoB with respect to sov in Delve. Sov1 left both sides on an equal footing in that respect.
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Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Atrum Monstrum Edited by: Atrum Monstrum on 26/06/2009 19:43:54
Originally by: Thuranni Today, they are one of the dominant 0.0 entities and just destroyed Band of Brothers, which had been the most powerful 0.0 alliance since 2004.
Sorry to have to correct but Goonswarm did NOT destroy BoB. BoB was destroyed by BoB through the form of a disgruntled member. Goonswarm took advanatge of the opportunity but Goonswarm DID NOT have a direct casue in the fall of BoB.
And goons just beat bob again. ---- My Music |
Surotai
Amarr Dark Sabaoth
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:40:00 -
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Old hat whine. Even in the month or two Ive played Ive seen this too much. Either invest the effort for a long term payoff or find something with instant gratification. If you looking for the latter this is NOT that game for you. |
xXxSatsujinxXx
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: xXxSatsujinxXx Mshappypanties is a known troll. Please don't feed her.
She tried the "I'm a girl and people are mean to me, they camped me in a station even though i asked them not to..." a while back.
Just stop poasting. Please.
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