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Boz Wel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.18 14:40:00 -
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I've been mulling over different Guardian fits and wanted to get some thoughts from other people. My issue is that I feel like I'm wasting the ship's potential with using a cookie cutter 3 rep/2 cap xfers fit with logi 5. I only need 1 rep coming in to be cap stable, as do the other logi 5 pilots, and so the only real advantage to having 2 cap xfers is it's harder to break out cap chain when everyone has 2 incoming power xfers from 2 different people. It seems pretty easy to fit 4 reppers/1 cap xfer with the standard fit so that's always an option, but I also see some fits with 3 large/2 medium reps that also include a trimark. At the same time, it seems possible (but pricy) to fit 5 reps and 1 cap xfer while maintaining the cap xfer, but that may be pushing the cost up a bit too much.
So, my question - what fits are the other logi 5 guardian pilots running and why? |
Moroccan Tourist
CRITICAL Novus
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Posted - 2012.05.18 15:45:00 -
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There is a basi around fit with 5xfer and 1 cap , not sure if doing the same thing with a guardian is possible without gimping the tank .
Quote:[Basilisk, Basilisk: Fleet Setup (Logi V)] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
ECCM - Gravimetric II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
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Boz Wel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.18 15:51:00 -
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It's certainly possible but it starts to get expensive unless you give up a low slot. For instance, here are a few fits I've considered:
[Guardian, 5x Rep] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II
10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
The real downside here is that your rigs are going to double the cost of your fit.
[Guardian, Stolen from R&K] Damage Control II Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Prototype ECCM Radar Sensor Cluster
Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Leaning towards this one as a good compromise between cost and improved repping/tank.
[Guardian, Oatmeal Raisin] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II
10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Small 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
And here's sort of the standard cookie-cutter I'm looking to move away from. |
Moroccan Tourist
CRITICAL Novus
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Posted - 2012.05.18 15:57:00 -
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The cheap verion?
Quote: [Guardian] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I True Sansha Armor EM Hardener True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Prototype ECCM Radar Sensor Cluster
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
The high cost version
Quote: [Guardian,] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II True Sansha Armor EM Hardener True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Prototype ECCM Radar Sensor Cluster
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Or a 4.5 guardian
Quote:[Guardian, New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II True Sansha Armor EM Hardener True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I ECCM - Radar II
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I |
Moroccan Tourist
CRITICAL Novus
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Posted - 2012.05.18 16:10:00 -
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Well, if you are still looking for 2 cap xfers this one is a 3.6 + 25m tag
Quote: [Guardian, New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II True Sansha Armor EM Hardener True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I ECCM - Radar II
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
4.0 guradian with + 100m price tag and 1% pg implant
Quote:[Guardian] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II True Sansha Armor EM Hardener True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
10MN Afterburner I ECCM - Radar II
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router I
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Wolfic
EldarRiders Stainwagon.
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Posted - 2012.05.18 22:16:00 -
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[Guardian, New Setup 1] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Thermic Hardener II Shadow Serpentis Armor EM Hardener
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I 10MN Afterburner II
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Loses about 4k hp from the T2 rig 1600 plate fit, but it only requires one faction mod to work.
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Monica Sharezan
Azura Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.25 20:05:00 -
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This is what i use on incursions it does pretty well.
[Guardian, Incursion Guardian] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener
10MN Afterburner II ECCM - Radar II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large 'Regard' I Power Projector Large 'Regard' I Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
**************************************************************** This is what i use for station games. stable with 4 reppers without using a partner and can run 5 for a good while solo. ... need +3% PG implants to fit. both fits around 50k ehp i think
[Guardian, Monica Station Guardian] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Power Diagnostic System II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium 'Regard' I Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
443
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Posted - 2012.05.25 20:23:00 -
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Monica Sharezan wrote:Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener
hey look faction hardeners on a ship without CPU issues eh |
Monica Sharezan
Azura Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.30 05:17:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Monica Sharezan wrote:Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener hey look faction hardeners on a ship without CPU issues
hey look! a guy on the forums making another ignorant post. nothing new here ... move along folks
with all skills at level 5 that fit has 6.5 cpu to spare ... so yeah they are kind of neccesary. you are probably not using t2 reppers on your fit. |
Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.05.30 07:10:00 -
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He's a Goon, they don't do teamwork so he has never seen a logistics from upclose, you have to forgive him. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
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Nakkano
Internet Space Pimps
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Posted - 2012.05.30 10:52:00 -
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Needs 3% Grid implant. About 50,000 Armor EHP. Not for cheapskates.
[Best Guardian] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener
10MN Afterburner II Prototype ECCM Radar Sensor Cluster
Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
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Boz Wel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:28:00 -
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The problem there is that the tech 2 rigs are quite costly. That said, I do like the stats. It seems that 2 power xfers is the preferred way to go, not so much because it's necessary for cap, but really it just gives you redundancy if one of your guardians gets jammed in a fight. |
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