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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.11 17:43:00 -
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As a concerned mother, I see a lot of things wrong with young people. It's ridiculous, that's what it is.
Young people today have no patience or restraint. If it's not rebellious hairstyles, it's throwing everything they were taught away. Honestly, it's nonsensical to simply decide one day that it's all wrong, and go off to do the opposite.
Is patience no longer a virtue?
In my day, if you didn't think things were right, you went off to your room to read, and consider things before acting. None of this nonsense with terrorist acts and burning everything you once stood for.
I think it's that Gallente "Capsules and Clones" soap opera that's at least partly to blame. Utter tripe it is. |
Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.11 17:47:00 -
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I don't know, and I demand an explanation immediately.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 17:55:00 -
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I quite agree Ms Dougans.
The situation is even worse when one looks at less civilised peoples such as the Gallente and the Minmatar. There we see entire groups of people acting like petulent children and giving themselves names like Rubbish Jester.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.11 18:09:00 -
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My daughter will be 11 soon, but she is far away from the poor influences of Gallente pop culture.
Up until now she has been a lovely, obedient girl. But 11...the teen years are approaching.
But yeah, she's far away...so I will miss that part of her life. |
Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.11 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I quite agree Ms Dougans.
The situation is even worse when one looks at less civilised peoples such as the Gallente and the Minmatar. There we see entire groups of people acting like petulent children and giving themselves names like Rubbish Jester.
Ah sir, it's been a while and you have perhaps forgotten. You know (or knew) full well that I only gave myself this name as a pod pilot to save my family in the Ammatar Protectorate from the extremely civilised discussions with your authorities they'd be likely to have, were my true name known.
Nice to see you again too, though, dearie
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Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.11 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kathryn Dougans I think it's that Gallente "Capsules and Clones" soap opera that's at least partly to blame. Utter tripe it is.
You let your kids watch this, shouldn't they be in class or training? |
Louella Dougans
Amarr Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2009.06.11 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hooch Flux
Originally by: Kathryn Dougans I think it's that Gallente "Capsules and Clones" soap opera that's at least partly to blame. Utter tripe it is.
You let your kids watch this, shouldn't they be in class or training?
I can decide by myself whether or not to watch that garbage.
I don't. |
Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.11 21:48:00 -
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You Amarrians are too impatient. The resistance will stop in due time. In fact, I think the Minmatar Resistance will trail off about seven and a half centuries more rapidly than Amarrian slavery does, so you need only be a fraction as patient as we have been. Can you handle the pressure?
-- Becq Starforged
The Flame of Freedom Burns On! |
Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.06.11 21:51:00 -
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In fact, you should rejoice! I have recently ordered my people not to target any Amarrians who can show documented proof of nine complete generations of ancestry free of support for slavery! Isn't that fantastic news?
-- Becq Starforged
The Flame of Freedom Burns On! |
Cyonidicus
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Posted - 2009.06.11 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Becq Starforged In fact, you should rejoice! I have recently ordered my people not to target any Amarrians who can show documented proof of nine complete generations of ancestry free of support for slavery! Isn't that fantastic news?
Amarrians will be saved in their millions . |
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Zarro Starkiler
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.06.11 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Zarro Starkiler on 11/06/2009 22:15:08 MS Dougans is right, I grew up in the street and have more patience and respect then these children. Though I often find that showing them a weapon, as it is not very easy for people (especially these rebellious punks) to get them since the war started, will shut them up nicely. That or a quick lesson in martial arts if you know what I mean.
-Commander Starkiler |
Aphoxakhan
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.12 01:29:00 -
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I am bleeding through my pores, red tears of anger, artificial brain matter boiling. I can not comprehend, we are getting impatient. Roll with the crimson tide of death, slaughter my sanity for it is not another moment I can chew this tough and bitter leather of discussion! |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Becq Starforged In fact, you should rejoice! I have recently ordered my people not to target any Amarrians who can show documented proof of nine complete generations of ancestry free of support for slavery! Isn't that fantastic news?
Is that official U'K policy? |
Alun Hughes
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Posted - 2009.06.12 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Becq Starforged In fact, you should rejoice! I have recently ordered my people not to target any Amarrians who can show documented proof of nine complete generations of ancestry free of support for slavery! Isn't that fantastic news?
Is that official U'K policy?
Of course not Rodj U'K Policy is to target Men, Women and children regardless of their stance on slavery and call it freedom fighting. There is another word for it i seem to remember rhymes with tehoroism. |
Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.12 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Alun Hughes rhymes with tehoroism.
Typically, this kind of statement... a real word... it's funny if... when you...
...oh, never mind. Too impatient to explain, I suppose
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.06.12 23:56:00 -
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We may be young. We may carry our hair strange in the opinion of the elders. But we change the things that are wrong. We do not bow to the kings and queens we ask them why we should. Not because we do not understand but because we still dare.
We dare to carry our hair short as a punk or wild because we can. We are free and we did not comply into the chains of accoustomizing. Not yet, hopefully never.
The elders might say: +Buy you a Scythe, fly into a belt, work, son. Work, daughter and earn with that your first tradevessel so that you can contribu,te to society, pay you taxes and maybe you will raise kids someday. But don't try to change the world. It is good as it is and you will only get trouble and pain when you try to change it.½
And I ask: +What if we do not want to contribute to this world, that allows the suffering of billions of slaves in the Empire. That does only know wars and greed? Where nobody cares about his neighbor and that he is suffering. Because do we capsuleers suffer? We have the gift of inmortality. Do we suffer? Yes, we do. We suffer if the rest of mankind suffers if just one man is suffering because we can change it. Now.½
I do wear my "aggressive" clothing that some Amarr sneer at. I wear my dagger of honor proudly at my thigh. I wear my freedom not as a flag but as a gift that I can present to the strangers that starve of hunger and thirst for it. Minmatar under the fist of the Empire.
And we shall not rebel?! If you are living in a world like this and you are not a rebel, you are a traitor to freedom and peace. So, wear your hair as you like. And keep your spirit free. The world that we have been given is not a good one. It is a brutal one. It is a world of hunger, thirst, starvation, plague and religious hypocrisy that is preaching to lay down the weapons just to conquer and enslave your people easier. Love?
In this world obedience means rebellion. So if you want to be a nice child, burn down a palace, kill a slaver and destroy an Empire. Then your generation will love you, child. |
Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.06.13 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Invelious on 13/06/2009 00:58:38 My son is 3 months old as of yesterday, and already displays more personality and discipline than these minmatar mongrels. Such are the ways of we True Amarrians, Gods chosen.
Amarr Victor! |
Zarro Starkiler
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.06.13 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Alica Wildfire We may be young. We may carry our hair strange in the opinion of the elders. But we change the things that are wrong. We do not bow to the kings and queens we ask them why we should. Not because we do not understand but because we still dare.
We dare to carry our hair short as a punk or wild because we can. We are free and we did not comply into the chains of accoustomizing. Not yet, hopefully never.
The elders might say: +Buy you a Scythe, fly into a belt, work, son. Work, daughter and earn with that your first tradevessel so that you can contribu,te to society, pay you taxes and maybe you will raise kids someday. But don't try to change the world. It is good as it is and you will only get trouble and pain when you try to change it.½
And I ask: +What if we do not want to contribute to this world, that allows the suffering of billions of slaves in the Empire. That does only know wars and greed? Where nobody cares about his neighbor and that he is suffering. Because do we capsuleers suffer? We have the gift of inmortality. Do we suffer? Yes, we do. We suffer if the rest of mankind suffers if just one man is suffering because we can change it. Now.½
I do wear my "aggressive" clothing that some Amarr sneer at. I wear my dagger of honor proudly at my thigh. I wear my freedom not as a flag but as a gift that I can present to the strangers that starve of hunger and thirst for it. Minmatar under the fist of the Empire.
And we shall not rebel?! If you are living in a world like this and you are not a rebel, you are a traitor to freedom and peace. So, wear your hair as you like. And keep your spirit free. The world that we have been given is not a good one. It is a brutal one. It is a world of hunger, thirst, starvation, plague and religious hypocrisy that is preaching to lay down the weapons just to conquer and enslave your people easier. Love?
In this world obedience means rebellion. So if you want to be a nice child, burn down a palace, kill a slaver and destroy an Empire. Then your generation will love you, child.
While I agree that we should question and learn, there is a difference in rebels and this. If they want to rebel, fine, let them gather weapons and fight a war the way it's supposed to be fought. All I see is idiots throwing crude explosives and shooting boosters because "everyone else is doing it" I even had one kid try to kill me because he was trying to get into a gang, I showed him, and the gang, the pistol I proudly wear in the holster on my leg. More often then not I'm in combat armour, but that is who I am and how I think. I'm not going around setting things on fire for fun... unless you count pirates.
-Commander Starkiler
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari The Synenose Accord
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Posted - 2009.06.13 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Alica Wildfire The elders might say: +Buy you a Scythe, fly into a belt, work, son. Work, daughter and earn with that your first tradevessel so that you can contribu,te to society, pay you taxes and maybe you will raise kids someday. But don't try to change the world. It is good as it is and you will only get trouble and pain when you try to change it.½
Funnily enough, I seem to recall that the Minmatar elders, and Elders, are largely caught up in bloodlust-- if not quite so universally so as the youth.
Funnily enough, though, it's the truth an Achur elder might speak that you attribute to your own. If that view is commonly held among the Matari, there may still be hope, since you, too, will grow old, in mind if not in body.
The universe reacts to what we do, but rarely as we expect or desire. If you think you can change it, you're inevitably correct-- but if you think your way will be better ...
... well. Perhaps it will be better for you.
But at best, that merely means that you will be doing better at someone else's expense. This world is not made for your convenience, pilot, any more than for the convenience of any of the thousands of generations before you. It will not bow to your will, however deep your passion, and though it may bend before your action, you'll never be able to predict what that bending will actually do.
But, by all means, rebel against whatever you want to. It'll be fun to watch. |
Tellnan Matkiel
Gallente The Industrial Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.13 08:26:00 -
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Patience can be a vice, Lady Dougans. An excuse to inaction, a fiddling while Sarum is bombarded if you will.
The trick is working out when patience becomes a dangerous indulgence. Perhaps the young (I count myself among them) are more likely to be overhasty, but then I think the old are more vulnerable to lassitude.
You say you see a lot of things wrong with young people. Perhaps young people see a lot of things wrong with you? |
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Kazuma Ry
Amarr Ebon Seraph
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Posted - 2009.06.13 08:44:00 -
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I also agree with you, Mrs Dougans.
While I do not have any children yet, I have noticed that the younger generation is impatient. Hopefully it is a short lived phase.
I do try to limit what I watch on the Galnet though, so hopefully when I have children, I can instill this trait into them.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.06.13 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 13/06/2009 09:53:23 With "the elders" I did not mean "The Elders", I just referred to the old ones, the tired ones, those who stopped fighting and who are able to commit the worst crimes and then tell you as an excuse: +But all did it.½ or +I just followed orders.½ or +I just joined in½ or +What can a man like me do against it?½ or +I don't care½, which I find the worst of all.
The Elders are fitting in our time and society. Those are rebels and they are furious. They change the things there are. They are young in mind they don't accept the things that are just because they have been so long like this.
The generations that will come will ask us: +Why didn't you fight this?½
My children will not need to ask this question. They will be born in a better world. A world where I did all I could to change it. We destroyed or confiscated slavers assets worth of 3 billion isk in just two days. And -no- they do not turn up on some killboards, they will not be covered by an insurance. All slaves we found are free now. They are over sixteen hundred workers and some engineers.
I wear my hair with pride. Burn Amarr, burn, burn, burn. |
Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.13 10:03:00 -
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People are people, and I think if you're seeing "more impatience" among "young people" it's just a perspective brought on by selective bias. You see a well-adjusted young man or a hasty older one, and it doesn't register through not being what's expected. See a hasty young man, however, and you scratch another tally on the sheet. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Kathryn Dougans
Amarr Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.13 12:38:00 -
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It is like so:
"I do not like the way President Foiritain dresses." says the young woman. "Oh?" says her mother "That's just how he is." "Well, we'll see about that!" says the young woman.
Later that day, since President Foiritain still dresses the same way, the young woman decides everything in the Federation is wrong, and goes off to join the Caldari Militia forces. Her mother is deeply upset by this, and falls into the arms of a most unsuitable man while out shopping for a new revealing neckline dress to console herself.
Clearly the young woman is thinking only of herself.
While such events are common and acceptable within the narrative of that dreadful Gallente soap opera, it is most concerning to see it happen elsewhere. |
Kazuma Ry
Amarr Ebon Seraph
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Posted - 2009.06.13 13:05:00 -
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I am glad I don't watch that soap opera, since I don't think I can understand how people stand that rubbish.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2009.06.13 13:05:00 -
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I think you underestimate your daughter and what motivates her to break free. As well as you do not approve to her ideals. This is all about respect, I think. Only because we are younger does not mean we are wrong. Everything that was built was done by people most were thinking of "those are idiots, let us just disapprove with them and let them alone".
But we are building the new world. The rest is just living on it like maggots on a piece of cheese. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Tellnan Matkiel
Gallente The Industrial Consortium
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Posted - 2009.06.13 13:52:00 -
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In the scenario you sketch, Lady Dougans, perhaps the mother should start taking responsibility for her own actions. Parents, like children, are free-thinking.
Though if children really are so impatient, perhaps their parents have no one but themselves to hold responsible. Perhaps what rouses your ire is not the impatience of the young, but the failings of your own generation when it comes to child-rearing and raising? ____________ My views are my own |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari The Synenose Accord
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Posted - 2009.06.13 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 13/06/2009 17:01:12
Originally by: Alica Wildfire The Elders are fitting in our time and society. Those are rebels and they are furious.
... So you are abusing the language the way I thought you were.
Rebels? Gods and spirits, pilot, the Elder Fleet was the product of a secret Matari project going back how many years, redirecting how much Gallentean financial aid?
Quote: rebel, n. One who rebels. v. 1. To renounce, and resist by force, the authority of the ruler or government to which one owes obedience. 2. To be disobedient to authority; to assume a hostile or insubordinate attitude; to revolt.
Note that even #2 generally applies only to those who have authority over the rebel.
Tibus Heth was a rebel; he's now a dictator, more's the pity, but there it is. Your ancestors were rebels when they fought against the Amarr and freed your homeworlds. The Guristas are, arguably, rebels.
So-- been going about sticking your thumb in Maleatu Shakor's milky eye much, pilot? Anarchist or not, it is someone else's nation you fight against. That nation hasn't ruled yours for decades, only a certain percentage of your population.
You are an outsider, not a rebel. At most, you might try to spark a rebellion as a weapon in the war. Even if it is trying to take possession of you and yours, that makes it an invader, not a ruling power.
Gods and spirits, pilot, the romance of the word "rebel" does not mean every freedom fighter out there can or should start calling themselves by that name. We use words because they have meaning; if we start using words just because we like the sounds of them, we erode the usefulness of the word.
If you want the word "rebel" to retain its meaning and importance, please either stop applying it to yourself and your impassioned, but free, kin or go surrender to the Amarr and then start fighting back.
At this rate, it's going to end up synonymous with "disheveled raider." |
Rocius
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.06.13 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rocius on 13/06/2009 18:44:17
Originally by: Alun Hughes Of course not Rodj Imperial Policy is to target Men, Women and children regardless of their stance on religon and freedom and call it saving them . There is another word for it i seem to remember rhymes with tehoroism.
Yes, there is is another term for what you do, interesting how well Terrorism and Imperialism goes together huh?
Oh, and I fixed your quote for you too.....
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Lekegolo Khanid
Amarr Arbeit aholics anonymous
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Posted - 2009.06.18 04:00:00 -
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1. Humans is Humans. 2. Things change. 3. Blame Quafe(have you seen what they put in that stuff?)
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