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badbush
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Posted - 2009.06.08 09:21:00 -
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Hi all,
My small corp and myself are now looking to set-up our first POS, and I was hoping you gusy might help me out with a few ideas in terms of things we should fit.
Clearly we need a control tower - is a Medium sized one OK to start with? Can it easily be swapped-out with a bigger one as and when we need to, or would we need to take the whole thing down and rebuild it?
Do we need to fit weaponary if the POS will be in hi-sec space? How about shield hardners and all that?
Thx for any tips!
BadBush
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Miss Lina
Caldari Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.08 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: badbush
Can it easily be swapped-out with a bigger one as and when we need to, or would we need to take the whole thing down and rebuild it?
You would need to offline+unanchor every module on the POS one by one, then offline+unanchor the tower itself, anchor+online the new tower and then anchor+online every module one by one. In short, it's a pain in the ass. But can be done. |
Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2009.06.08 09:40:00 -
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First get a nice piece of software here, for designing your POS structures and all that, you can make templates for both online and offline structures (like for example defensive structures offline without war, online with war, etc).
Then head over to www.eve-guides.com which has a lot of good insights.
After that, do a complete audit of roles and rights of all people in the corp and each and every alt character. Remove everything, and design a very clear set of roles by title, with each title holding a specific role. You can apply multiple titles to characters, so that will not be a problem. The only one with director roles should be the CEO's alt tbh, nobody else. Get over the emo of "but my ego demands I be director".
9 times out of 10 a POS does not get attacked by combat, but by infiltration or theft. And, this IS Eve, your best friend will stab you in the back. Regardless of whether some corpie rubbed him up the wrong way or whether he is just faking his account having been hacked.
Number one rule of EVE: use a rubber in every circumstance. Better safe then sorry. Yes, especially around friends.
Number two rule: never fly what you cannot afford to replace instantly, applies to POS as well. Since it is high sec chances are slim of running into it, but you should always have a stock of spare guns with ammo, fuel & strontium batches and that kind of stuff ready.
There's two ways of looking at defences. You can discourage people from quick POS ganks with insane hardener setups, but when push comes to shove this is just prolonging the inevitable. And you can discourage people by properly arming the POS, it does not have to be online in peace time (CONCORD will show up at a pos to clean up if there is no wardec active) so you can have full focus for industry structures (just remember you keep your blueprints in a station, never use them directly in pos labs).
Where it comes to guns & stuff, just don't use missile defences. Pointless. Absolutely pointless. Turrets and EW, especially jammers are worth going for faction versions.
One other vital thing to keep in mind .. people need to train for pos defence management skill. Deny them pos use until they have that skill trained :-)
Let's see, what else springs to mind. Ah yes, during wartime remove all non combat structures. No point in wasting that much isk if the pos does go down. A medium pos is fine to start with, and yes you always have to remove the previous pos on a moon if you want to set up another tower (rebuild from scratch).
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Annalea Lovelace
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Posted - 2009.06.08 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Annalea Lovelace on 08/06/2009 09:40:53 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=817184
This is a great place to start.
Also, make sure that you fill your Strontium Bays to the brim, no matter what size tower you go for. :)
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Leana Darkrider
Minmatar Creatio -ex- nihilo The Donkey Rollers
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Posted - 2009.06.08 09:42:00 -
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First question, for which purpose will the pos be used? Then you can determine if you need a small, medium or large one.
If it's a high sec pos, you need guns, but they don't need to be online. Put them online when someone wardecs you.
If it low sec pos, you definatly need guns, and also shield hardeners and some ecm.
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Dragon Greg
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Posted - 2009.06.08 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Annalea Lovelace
Also, make sure that you fill your Strontium Bays to the brim, no matter what size tower you go for. :)
No. When a pos is attacked, you time the strontium for the tower to come out of reinforced at a time of your convenience.
Filling the strontium bay to the max "by default" is one of the easiest ways to pick a target, watch when they are online and when not, wardec, hit pos and get a reinforced timer perfect for your view since they filled it with max stront. Tower comes out at a time of your liking, and voila, space gets a little bit cleaner.
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:42:00 -
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You can also pull out all the fuel in the POS to offline the tower so you can unanchor them one by one...it takes a bit of time off of offlining everything.
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Breaker77
Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.06.08 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known You can also pull out all the fuel in the POS to offline the tower so you can unanchor them one by one...it takes a bit of time off of offlining everything.
What structures take time to offline? Everything I've offlined goes offline instantly. However it does take a couple of seconds to right-click then click offline.
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ingenting
20th Legion Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2009.06.08 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: ingenting on 08/06/2009 20:45:28
Quote: My first POS - what should I do?
if you cant answer that yourself, dont get one.
read the resource thread in the sticky. use eve-search and... search? there's HUNDREDS (yeah, no bullcrap) threads about it already |
Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.09 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 09/06/2009 17:23:57
Originally by: Dragon Greg
Originally by: Annalea Lovelace Also, make sure that you fill your Strontium Bays to the brim, no matter what size tower you go for. :)
No. When a pos is attacked, you time the strontium for the tower to come out of reinforced at a time of your convenience.
You want about 24 hours - hours you are online daily, so it comes out of reinforced as you are logging in if they attack after you logout. If someone attacks while you are online, it is easy to adjust the strontium for the next day before the shield hits 25%. You don't want it to come out of reinforced when you are not around to do anything about it. |
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ReallyDeadKenny
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.09 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 09/06/2009 17:32:39
Originally by: Dragon Greg
Originally by: Annalea Lovelace Also, make sure that you fill your Strontium Bays to the brim, no matter what size tower you go for. :)
No. When a pos is attacked, you time the strontium for the tower to come out of reinforced at a time of your convenience.
You want about 24 hours. If someone attacks while you are online, it is possible to adjust the strontium for the next day before the shield hits 25%. The enemy will return at this time, so either be ready to man the guns and/or have the shield repaired by then.
You cannnot adjust stront timers when shields are below 50%
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Vasundhara
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Posted - 2009.06.09 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 08/06/2009 20:45:28
Quote: My first POS - what should I do?
if you cant answer that yourself, dont get one.
read the resource thread in the sticky. use eve-search and... search? there's HUNDREDS (yeah, no bullcrap) threads about it already
Partly agree with this post in that you are putting the cart in front of the horse. Disagree in the sense that this is a game, so if you want to push a button just to see what pushing that button is like, go for it. I would still recommend a hybrid approach though of deciding what to do WITH the POS before deciding how to set up the POS. In empire you are mostly limited to blueprint research, fabrication of certain low-end items, or a drop point for in-system mining ops, etc. You can do one or more of those depending on how you set yourself up.
1) Read the sticky resources to learn what your options are for what to do with a POS. 2) Define a task for the POS 3) Design your POS to fulfil this task and create a parts list you can use to verify that your tower can handle it 4) Verify that the POS setup will work and that you have the pre-requisites to deploy it where you want to 5) Buy from your parts list and configure as you have planned 6) Be prepared to watch it blow up in a million pieces after the second day of its life (or the first day if you didn't add strontium while war-decced) |
Breaker77
Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.06.09 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vasundhara
Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 08/06/2009 20:45:28
Quote: My first POS - what should I do?
if you cant answer that yourself, dont get one.
read the resource thread in the sticky. use eve-search and... search? there's HUNDREDS (yeah, no bullcrap) threads about it already
Partly agree with this post in that you are putting the cart in front of the horse. Disagree in the sense that this is a game, so if you want to push a button just to see what pushing that button is like, go for it.
There is always the test server to test things out on. That way you can experience the pain on anchoring/onlining, seeing exactly what is involved with fueling a tower, experimenting with the basic operations of the various arrays it has. |
ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.10 05:45:00 -
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Stronting a tower is all about the strategic advantage in making your enemy come at an inopportune time.
To kill a pos in highsec requires alot of BS and alot of time. If you can arrange that the stront timer comes out at the exact opposite of the attackng force's prime time, you can usually rep it and get it back up and running while they're sleeping.
For my indy corp, I guess that most anyone attacking me will have a TZ centered near the Atlantic ocean, be they Euro or US. On this thinking, I have enough stront to make the timer come out 8 hours after their assumed primetime.
The less players on to attack means the longer time it takes to kill the pos, all positive things.
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Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2009.06.10 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known You can also pull out all the fuel in the POS to offline the tower so you can unanchor them one by one...it takes a bit of time off of offlining everything.
Don't ever do this no matter if you are in low, high or null sec space. It's must easier and safer to offline each individual structure and unanchor it in the relative safety of the control tower forcefield (bubble).
If you offline the tower to offline all the structures you risk someone warping in or hiding cloaked to steal your structures once they are unanchored. Or in low/null sec you risk being ganked. |
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