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hakkiew365
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:45:00 -
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So I want to be able to run 2 Eve clients with everything maxed, without having to lower my windows 7 wow factor qualities and such.
If I do so right now I have ti minimize 1 client to be able to get 60 fps on the other, otherwise both clients start to choke.
Also I will be getting a second screen so I'm pretty sure this will lower my performance as well.
My options seem to be crossfire with a second 6870 card and maybe a solid state for the eve client + windows?
Any opinions will be duly noted.
Specs
Edit: The RAM is showing as 668mhz. this is in fact supposed to be 1333mhz |
BuckStrider
Gladiators of Rage Intrepid Crossing
60
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:48:00 -
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Get on knees...
Unzip pants...\
???
Profit? |
Hayaishi
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:11:00 -
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hakkiew365 wrote:So I want to be able to run 2 Eve clients with everything maxed, without having to lower my windows 7 wow factor qualities and such. If I do so right now I have ti minimize 1 client to be able to get 60 fps on the other, otherwise both clients start to choke. Also I will be getting a second screen so I'm pretty sure this will lower my performance as well. My options seem to be crossfire with a second 6870 card and maybe a solid state for the eve client + windows? Any opinions will be duly noted. SpecsEdit: The RAM is showing as 668mhz. this is in fact supposed to be 1333mhz
are you running your clients in "Interval Immediate"? Because that'd improve performance like mad, but you wont have v-sync, but that doesn't do a lot anyway, apart from be really taxing. |
hakkiew365
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:13:00 -
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Hayaishi wrote:hakkiew365 wrote:So I want to be able to run 2 Eve clients with everything maxed, without having to lower my windows 7 wow factor qualities and such. If I do so right now I have ti minimize 1 client to be able to get 60 fps on the other, otherwise both clients start to choke. Also I will be getting a second screen so I'm pretty sure this will lower my performance as well. My options seem to be crossfire with a second 6870 card and maybe a solid state for the eve client + windows? Any opinions will be duly noted. SpecsEdit: The RAM is showing as 668mhz. this is in fact supposed to be 1333mhz are you running your clients in "Interval Immediate"? Because that'd improve performance like mad, but you wont have v-sync, but that doesn't do a lot anyway, apart from be really taxing.
Wouldnt that just overheat my GPU until i can start using it as a smelter? |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:58:00 -
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Keep the RAM, drop by a Pop-and-Sons PC store and sell the Motherboard and Proc, or keep it for a second PC, keep your HDD for storage but erase it and format. Don't use the current HDD for OS.
Get a new Chassis(Tower), Motherboard, and Processor. See if your old RAM is compatible, but you may want to get new, (run a Memcheck86+ ISO on it to test it before you pull the current rig apart.
Get a DVD Writer
Buy two much lower Storage capacity Western Digital Black HDDs. Should be relatively cheap. Also, you can go with SSDs or 4+ HDDs or SSDs. Possibly even do Hybrid SSD/HDD. Doesn't really matter. Put them in RAID 0, or 0+1 when you do that. You could even do RAID 5 or something provided the right number of drives and functionality. Use SATA.
Basic: 2 HDDs = RAID 0 or RAID 1; 4 HDDs = RAID 0 + RAID 1.
Your CPU is way hot; Your HDD is Hot! You need to cool these. Better Coolers and Airflow are required. This is why you need a new Chassis.. whatever that thing is you got, I'm guessing it is generic manu-brand or store-brand. List it so we know for sure.
Whatever CPU you get, you'll need an aftermarket cooler(HSF). There are plenty of good ones. Think Cooler Master, Scythe, or even Thermaltake. If you get an AMD, you'll probably want a Corsair H70 as they have higher TDP and pretty much can be used to smoke bacon.
..you shouldn't be able to push a button on you computer and get bacon.
I recommend Intel i7, i5, or even i3. All have good CPUs. All of the K series are good, even if they have some AV stuff and the like stripped out.
Kingston KHX is good RAM cheap. Anything else, I recommend mid- to high-end Corsair, G.Skill, etc.. 1600MHz (O.C.) is normally fine and usually good to run at 1333MHz. If you get higher (O.C.) stuff, beware it might not function too well at 1333 or may be ultra finicky.
If your current RAM is good, good. 8 GB is good.
Need better Mobo, but I suppose you could keep the one you have. Unfortunately it is 700 series AMD chipset, doesn't use Intel, and max. support is Phenom II AM3. Kinda bites and it's cheap+oldish.
AMD go for the 900 series or even a 800 series. 990FXA-GD80 from MSI is what I would probably target if I went that route. Lots of PCIe and good onboard heatsinks, etc..
Make sure you get a compatible HSF for your Mobo and CPU. Often you might have a problem with some HSF mounting on CPU and covering RAM slots or jamming up against something on the mobo and not mounting properly. Keep this in mind when shopping.
Also make sure your Chassis has the Height, (off the Mobo), to accommodate the HSF assembly.
If that GPU is a 6850 or higher, pop in and enjoy. It should be enough by itself unless it's damaged. Make sure it is clean though; you may need to pop the shroud and blow it off with some Falcon Dustoff or something. Fans are important in your chassis, as is cable management for airflow and cleanliness.
Drop your GPU down to a PCI Express x16 slot away from your CPU and onboard Heatsinks too if you can. Keeps the Thermal envelopes from overlapping too much and allows for sometimes much improved airflow. AMD unfortunately tends to pack mobos with all heat sourv=ces in a cluster quite often.
That's one of the reasons I like the 980FXA-GD80 I mentioned; you can put your GPU in the top slot without any real issue as long as you have good airflow. Low Northbridge heatsink and low Southbrigdge heatsink allow you to drop GPUs on any PCIe and they're all x16, although dual GPU+ will change the effective lane usage. 1 will run x16 in any of them by itself afaik. I haven't actually checked the Spec that close.
If you go AMD I'd recommend the AM3 FX processors of course. I don't know much about them though I know they don't beat Intel, but I'm sure they are at least decent to good. Obviously pick for performance and Price with maybe an eye on Performance. I'm not sure I'd recommend the A-Series; maybe for a nettop, but not a PC. I can't see them having much processig capability. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:59:00 -
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hakkiew365 wrote:Hayaishi wrote:hakkiew365 wrote:So I want to be able to run 2 Eve clients with everything maxed, without having to lower my windows 7 wow factor qualities and such. If I do so right now I have ti minimize 1 client to be able to get 60 fps on the other, otherwise both clients start to choke. Also I will be getting a second screen so I'm pretty sure this will lower my performance as well. My options seem to be crossfire with a second 6870 card and maybe a solid state for the eve client + windows? Any opinions will be duly noted. SpecsEdit: The RAM is showing as 668mhz. this is in fact supposed to be 1333mhz are you running your clients in "Interval Immediate"? Because that'd improve performance like mad, but you wont have v-sync, but that doesn't do a lot anyway, apart from be really taxing. Wouldnt that just overheat my GPU until i can start using it as a smelter?
More like everything. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
hakkiew365
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
15
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Posted - 2012.05.15 04:29:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote: Lots and lots of info
Ok thats some good info.
After reading it I ahve some points and answers that might help
The GPU is the HD 6870. 1gb version The case is what appears to be a no name brand case. it seems solid but as you stated lacks air flow. This is one of my big concerns and will be adressed asap. I actually didnt think about the case.
I have an aftermarket Heat sink on the processor and its been dialed in so the fan spins faster as the CPU needs it im not sure why its so hot if the fan isnt even stressing itself.
SSD is something I am very much considering and will most probably if not deffinetly get and keep the 1tb disk as storage after formating.
When I change out for a new case i will clean everything with Comp. air thats a for sure on my list.
Also high priority = move my GPU down a slot.
As for cases and ssd. Since I live in Iceland everything costs a lot here and all that typical "economy crisis crap". I am considering:
Coolermaster HAF 912 gaming
Cooling System: Front: 200 mm red LED fan x 1, 700RPM,19dBA (can be swapped for two 120mm fans) Top: 200 mm black fan x 1 (optional ; can be swapped for two 120mm fans) Rear: 120 mm black fan x 1, 1200 RPM, 17 dBA Side:120/140 mm fan x 1 (optional) plenty of fan options there which would sort out my main heat issue.
120gb corsair SSD Stick eve and the OS on there
a second Benq screen 22" LED. This may be the culprit for the hicups. 2 clients on one screen seems to be a bad idea.
One last thing:
Im going to take it to some more professional hands when I do this and have them recheck the cooling agent on the CPU and help me with the fan setup and such. |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:04:00 -
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i would recommend the core i7 2600k or above 16 gigs of ram and the nvidia 690 .. if thats to pricey go for the 680 and if you still need to shave off some dollars . consider the 670. I whole heatedly recommended ssd drives especially for games.
reason why is because with dual monitors and eve in windows mode @ around 3360 x 1050 my system with the 2600k and a radeon 6780 the game lags at the title screen and is lil less than smooth in game. with that being said it is still playable but when you factor in two clients it can git a bit choppy and unplayable at times. |
hakkiew365
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
15
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:07:00 -
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Sri Nova wrote:i would recommend the core i7 2600k or above 16 gigs of ram and the nvidia 690 .. if thats to pricey go for the 680 and if you still need to shave off some dollars . consider the 670. I whole heatedly recommended ssd drives especially for games.
reason why is because with dual monitors and eve in windows mode @ around 3360 x 1050 my system with the 2600k and a radeon 6780 the game lags at the title screen and is lil less than smooth in game. with that being said it is still playable but when you factor in two clients it can git a bit choppy and unplayable at times.
not sure if troll.. |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
210
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:12:00 -
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Other than your memory being slow (which is a relative non-issue, you have 8 GB) I don't understand how your system can't run two clients smoothly. I have an i5-2500k at 4.6 GHz and a GTX 560 and my computer can run like six clients without breaking a sweat.
Your system is on par with my system if you hack a generation off. It really is. So.. what's the deal? Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
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hakkiew365
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
15
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:14:00 -
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I honestly dont know But like i said the ram is wrong on that, its supposed to be 1333mhz I have no idea why it says what it says.
What im going to do is get an ssd, better case, better airflow/cooling and a second screen, this should fix all my issues.
I just needed a second opinion on the matter (they always help)
Edit: I turned of HDR on both clients and ive been running smoothly since then. These hicups that happened have stopped and havent happened tonight. |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:23:00 -
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If that can not run 2x eve clients something is wrong...
Plain and simple the system should run 2x eves with no issues.
Maybe removie the virus
um... also
DDR...
GOOGLE it...
..... whats 1333/2?
.........
the issue like is you are running AMD... they NEVER have good drivers.... |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:26:00 -
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hakkiew365 wrote: not sure if troll..
not trolling just relating a experience .
there is a difference i did not think about at the time how ever . you will be running two clients at 1920 x 1080 or 1680 x 1050 or maybe lower or higher i dont really know.
im running one at 3360 x 1050 res and if i run 2 its pretty bad so maybe thats my issue . hopefully your 2 clients will run fine .
if you find what your getting inadequate you can easily upgrade . |
Boomhaur
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:30:00 -
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I start with a proper case for cooling and just OC the CPU, and the GPU if you want for now. Since you said the CPU fan throttles up when needed either manually set it higher for now or keep and eye on it after you OC it. This is assuming you have a good CPU heatsink and know how to OC. Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you. |
hakkiew365
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
15
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:31:00 -
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adam smash wrote:If that can not run 2x eve clients something is wrong...
Plain and simple the system should run 2x eves with no issues.
Maybe removie the virus
um... also
DDR...
GOOGLE it...
..... whats 1333/2?
.........
the issue like is you are running AMD... they NEVER have good drivers....
um... the
ATTITUDE...
IS NOT NECCESSARY...
...ok? I came here asking for advice because getting information about an eve related issue is kinda hard to dig up unless A) I get outdated info because you know, new generations of hardware are being pooped out annually B) I find some very irrelevant information on other forums about elitist overclockers who have never played eve and talk about how much they can over clock this and that
So making a new thread and getting fresh opinions on the matter and seeing if anyone is in the same situation seemed logical.
Sri Nova wrote:hakkiew365 wrote: not sure if troll..
not trolling just relating a experience . there is a difference i did not think about at the time how ever . you will be running two clients at 1920 x 1080 or 1680 x 1050 or maybe lower or higher i dont really know. im running one at 3360 x 1050 res and if i run 2 its pretty bad so maybe thats my issue . hopefully your 2 clients will run fine . if you find what your getting inadequate you can easily upgrade . Ah fair enough Yes i will be running 2x 1920x 1080 |
Luis Graca
13
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:33:00 -
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If you can read/write on forum you don't need anything else to play eve |
hakkiew365
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
15
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:33:00 -
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Boomhaur wrote:I start with a proper case for cooling and just OC the CPU, and the GPU if you want for now. Since you said the CPU fan throttles up when needed either manually set it higher for now or keep and eye on it after you OC it. This is assuming you have a good CPU heatsink and know how to OC.
I try to avoid overclocking as much as possible, mainly because i dont trust myself with it.
And like I said before getting a new case and cooling equipment is high priority right now. |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
210
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:37:00 -
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hakkiew365 wrote:I honestly dont know But like i said the ram is wrong on that, its supposed to be 1333mhz I have no idea why it says what it says.
What im going to do is get an ssd, better case, better airflow/cooling and a second screen, this should fix all my issues.
I just needed a second opinion on the matter (they always help)
Edit: I turned off HDR on both clients and ive been running smoothly since then. These hicups that happened have stopped and havent happened tonight.
Im still going to upgrade the pc because, heck, i can. Oh, yeah. HDR basically causes all your GPU cores to crunch hard numbers and leaves little for the frames. Good you figured it out! Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
hakkiew365
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
15
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:39:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:hakkiew365 wrote:I honestly dont know But like i said the ram is wrong on that, its supposed to be 1333mhz I have no idea why it says what it says.
What im going to do is get an ssd, better case, better airflow/cooling and a second screen, this should fix all my issues.
I just needed a second opinion on the matter (they always help)
Edit: I turned off HDR on both clients and ive been running smoothly since then. These hicups that happened have stopped and havent happened tonight.
Im still going to upgrade the pc because, heck, i can. Oh, yeah. HDR basically causes all your GPU cores to crunch hard numbers and leaves little for the frames. Good you figured it out!
Well thanks for the help anyway, it opened my eyes to some issues with my pc which are in dire need of a fix. |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:42:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote: Oh, yeah. HDR basically causes all your GPU cores to crunch hard numbers and leaves little for the frames. Good you figured it out!
ccp really needs to optimize this . |
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
217
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:48:00 -
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hakkiew365 wrote:Mars Theran wrote: Lots and lots of info Ok thats some good info. After reading it I ahve some points and answers that might help The GPU is the HD 6870. 1gb version The case is what appears to be a no name brand case. it seems solid but as you stated lacks air flow. This is one of my big concerns and will be adressed asap. I actually didnt think about the case. I have an aftermarket Heat sink on the processor and its been dialed in so the fan spins faster as the CPU needs it im not sure why its so hot if the fan isnt even stressing itself. SSD is something I am very much considering and will most probably if not deffinetly get and keep the 1tb disk as storage after formating. When I change out for a new case i will clean everything with Comp. air thats a for sure on my list. Also high priority = move my GPU down a slot. As for cases and ssd. Since I live in Iceland everything costs a lot here and all that typical "economy crisis crap". I am considering: Coolermaster HAF 912 gaming Cooling System: Front: 200 mm red LED fan x 1, 700RPM,19dBA (can be swapped for two 120mm fans) Top: 200 mm black fan x 1 (optional ; can be swapped for two 120mm fans) Rear: 120 mm black fan x 1, 1200 RPM, 17 dBA Side:120/140 mm fan x 1 (optional) plenty of fan options there which would sort out my main heat issue. 120gb corsair SSD Stick eve and the OS on there a second Benq screen 22" LED. This may be the culprit for the hicups. 2 clients on one screen seems to be a bad idea. One last thing: Im going to take it to some more professional hands when I do this and have them recheck the cooling agent on the CPU and help me with the fan setup and such.
912 isn't bad, but keep in mind that big fans don't work so well. Usually you end up with a low pressure problem or something like. Basically, they move higher volume with less pressure and don't really do a heck of a lot.
I'm using a cheap Cooler Master case I really like and Gelid Silent 120mm fans that hit about 13 dba. I hate noise. That might work for you but it runs into a problem with the often high temps of AMD CPUs where I'm using a stock i7 that has relatively low TDP.
Also, my HSF is just a cheap Cooler Master HDT. It works very well for me though. Unfortunately, summer is here and I might have to do something about that where I am. Moving though, so I'll wait and see what the temperature average is there where I keep my PC. Sweating here right now, so I have a good idea it won't be enough.
It's 39 to 43 c on all 4 cores atm, so still handling it nicely, but then it is late at night and I'm not gaming.
If I knew what Chassis I was using I'd point it out, but it never came with a description. I just bought it because I was sick of the super tower, not using an EATX board anymore, andit was only ~ $80 ..It works awesome. Even cable maagement was a breeze, but I also used braided PSU extensions that I had for a planned build I never did.
What I'm saying is, have a look at some available inexpensive CM cases that are reasonably priced and have good mesh and stick to the 120s. 120s can push some serious CFM. Even mine are 50-60 cfm though they're low dBA.
Airflow is best in the front and bottom and out the top and back. Also, in from the side. plexi is nice but unecessary. Good solid no window with 2 fans on the side is great. IIRC I'm only using one side intake and no tops as it's sealed. Just out the back. High pressure in the chassis keeps the dust from sucking in all the cracks too, so if you mesh your intakes you should be able to keep your chassis clean.
Corsair 120 is a nice SSD if it's the one I'm thinking of. Ironically, one of the best SSDs of the last year was a Kingston KHX shown in this random review I pulled off Kingstons site: http://nerdreactor.com/2012/02/16/kingston-hyperx-120g-sandforce-sf-2281-ssd-review/
It's a 2281 sandforce, which is important to remember. That generation improved a lot over previous generations for all SSD manufacturers. Kingston also tends to run a cheaper retail than Corsair and the like and this particular SSD from them competes with the best they had to offer and beats quite a few.
All imo, but that is just a general cost-performance comparison and weighing out the loss of high speed read vs write here or there with a much better balance between the two. Basically it beats most on one or the other and IIRC has Enterprise class NAND.
Not sure what availability is like in Iceland, but I KnowUK shipping and pricing is not the best, and there are potentially other issues with availability from other areas and maybe higher shipping costs too.
Corsair 120 is good all around though, and SSDs still tend to outperform HDDs even when they are older. Just lifetime you need to worry about mostly. TRIM support is good, and some of the new SF controllers and such are good for extending that.
Good luck with the build; keep us posted. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
hakkiew365
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
15
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:06:00 -
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Wow, a lot of good info there, Im going to see how my schedule is next weekend and might go look at some cases and now after that good read i know what to look for in a case.
What I like about the haf 912 is that I can change out the 200mm fan for 2 120mm fans. and after reading that 200mm fans arent very effective then I will keep that in mind when looking for a case.
It never gets too hot here in Iceland so room temp. is always around 20-25-¦ C for me.
I'll also look up more info on the ssd i have in mind and will get your guys approval when said info presents itself.
I am right now cleaning up the pc, deleted a lot of spare junk, rank Ccleaner and im in the process of uninstalling and then defragging the disk.
When I get the SSD I will be setting up windows on there and formating the HDD.
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
217
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:29:00 -
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Nice
Forgot to mention: The Q-Fan profiles don't tend to work to well and it's a good idea to have a HSF for your CPU that has PGM. CPU fan should be 100% pretty much, and with my build the same for the rear exhaust fan.
The other fans can take some tweaking to avoid excess pressure in the case which can be an issue too. I have a Sunbaem fan controller for some chassis fans, and I used it to adjust the fan speed until I hit an optimal with my CPU temp.
Basically, I adjusted their fanspeeds until airflow seemed to optimize and one fan didn't create excess pressure rendering another fan ineffective or all intake fans didn't push so much that the rear chassis fan was ineffective in drawing the heat off the CPU, GPU and Mosfet/Vregs, (which are right in front of it.).
The CPU fan pushes through the HSF towards the back of the chassis and the rear fan too, and draws air and heat off the RAM chips. The front of course blows across the HDDs, and side pushes air down on to the GPU.
GPU fan draws air in from the chassis and the fan pushing down on it and exhausts out the back of the GPU. One reason you don't want low pressure in your chassis is this exhausted Heat can be drawn directly back in as it's exhausted because the chassis usually has gaps and/or perforations on the back surrounding the I/O plate.
With mesh on the front of my chassis, that allows airflow that way as the bit of excess pressure I have pushes out that way. You can feel it, but not so much, and at least you know the chassis won't be sucking dust in that way.
The key is tuning the fans, but it isn't really that hard to do. If using BIOS, (setup), just set them to about 70%and ramp them up until you can feel air pushing out the gaps, but just barely. Not so much that turbuence affects the air inside though. Too much of that and you can end up with your CPU fan just bouncing air off the HSF or your GPU not being able to effectively draw air in from the chassis.
I also use a standard ~ 15 dBA Cooler Master fan, (comes with the chassis), on the rear because it has higher CFM, (even if a bit noisier(, and compensates for the 3 intake fans. My PSU exhausts out the bottom and draws in from the rear of the chassis on the bottom.
Top mounted PSU chassis are a pain and they tend to suck air from around the CPU and exhaust it out the back. Basically you're running hot air through the PSU trying to cool it and lowering its efficiency and possibly power factor control. The other issue there is that the PSU gets hotter, (normally hot anyway to one degree or another), and heats up the air around the vregs/mosfets, and CPU as it sits within an inch of the HSF usually. This is undesireable and counterproductive of course.
Lots of other stuff.. .I could go on forever I'm sure. j/k That's pretty much it for normal cooling considerations. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:49:00 -
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hakkiew365 wrote:adam smash wrote:If that can not run 2x eve clients something is wrong...
Plain and simple the system should run 2x eves with no issues.
Maybe removie the virus
um... also
DDR...
GOOGLE it...
..... whats 1333/2?
.........
the issue like is you are running AMD... they NEVER have good drivers.... um... the ATTITUDE... IS NOT NECCESSARY... ...ok? I came here asking for advice because getting information about an eve related issue is kinda hard to dig up unless A) I get outdated info because you know, new generations of hardware are being pooped out annually B) I find some very irrelevant information on other forums about elitist overclockers who have never played eve and talk about how much they can over clock this and that So making a new thread and getting fresh opinions on the matter and seeing if anyone is in the same situation seemed logical.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=why+is+my+ram+half+speed&oq=why+is+my+ram+half+speed&aq=f&aqi=g-bK1g-q1&aql=1&gs_l=serp.3..0i8i30j0i22.3423.7415.1.7551.24.19.0.0.0.3.148.1883.12j7.19.0.cqn%2Crate_low%3D0-015%2Crate_high%3D0-015%2Cmin_length%3D2%2Ccconf%3D0-6.1.0.0.4bf5iikbO3Q&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=b33756a7ca49b63e&biw=1133&bih=711
Why is my ram half speed.... first result has answer... also it is more the idiots here saying OMG get a new pc, new CPU, new this new that... yet they cant address the ram speed? LOL
The PC IS FINE you have another issue... plain and simple.
**** I could run 2 eves on a core 2 duo with a 8800gts and 2 gigs of ram... the only prob I had was runing out of ram and swaping clients taking a long time... so yet again ANOTHER issue is at hand... LIKELY the fact you have an AMD gpu.
a 875k, 16gigs ram, 470 can run 4eves no issues... even had all 4 open before with world of tanks running... no issues.... |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
217
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Posted - 2012.05.15 08:20:00 -
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@Adam Smash:
..man, you are a troll aren't you; like a bull in a china shop.
I didn't address the issue of RAM being listed at 668 because I didn't read his whole post; having seen the specs was enough. I suggested rebuild because he has a baseline AMD mobo with an old Phenom II that is guaranteed to be slow in terms of computing capability.
I don't really care if he buys AMD or Intel, because the issue isn't having the best, but rather what he likes and feels like spending money on. Also why I didn't specify a processor aside from not using A series which will likely have lower performance than his current. Any AM3 FX processor listed on AMDs site atm is good enough for most applications and is still varying levels of cheaper than many Intel CPUs at MSRP.
He's got a nice GPU, (ATi is fine), the RAM is probably good unless it has cooked, but I doubt he has more than a min. PSU and know his chassis has got to be of limited usefulness and certainly isn't giving him good airflow or cooling unless he lives in the Bahamas.
The RAM is a bit confusing if you don't know that the spec and hardware monitoring programs read it that way. I don't even recall why and don't much care as it isn't important. I'll probably go look it up sometime just to refresh my memory, but not right now. I know looking at it that it's 1333 just like mine. 8GB is also adequate. I have no problem with mine and I have the same speed and capacity.
The HDD is hitting 45 c and is a 1 TB SATA set for IDE in setup according to the Spec. Green or Highspeed isn't really important. What is relevent is that higher capacity HDDs have more platters and thus more weight, and it is also running to hot for that or other reasons. Back to the chassis given his CPU is at 60 c.
Now, to address your post: wtf? learn to type in a fashion that is representative of due consideration and intelligence rather than just troll speak if you're going to bother giving advice, and particularly if you are as knowledgeable about computers as you claim to be, so that people will give you half a chance.
What you did type shows useful google but it doesn't necessarly represent knowledge. Should and does are two different things. It doesn't. That doesn't mean it has a virus and that can be checked easily enough. What it does seem to show, I have already mentioned and this is more likely.
A virus will usually be fairly obvious when it has reached the stage where it is chewing your computer performance up. What may not show so easily or be immediately obvious is Malware or Spyware. There is MBAM for that and it seems to work fairly well.
Also, AMD doesn't have bad drivers; no more than any other system out there anyway. Sometimes they get a good release of drivers, and sometimes it is just fubar. That applies to all GPUs, Motherboards, and manufacturers of everything that uses drivers. Drivers are simply assembly language instruction code that tells hardware what to do. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
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Posted - 2012.05.15 08:49:00 -
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There is a big time problem with your RAM. It states its running at 1336 Mhz from your picture attachment which is slow for DDR3. Is it meant to run at 1600?
Are you sure you have the timings etc setup properly in the Bios?
However this issue wont do anything for Eve really you should be fine to run 2 clients. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.15 12:32:00 -
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Quick tips on upgrades:
1) If CPU is purchased within the last 3 years, it's good.
2) If memory is < 4GB, upgrade
3) If hard drive space < 10% free, upgrade
4) GPU - a bit more complicated and I don't pretend to be up to specs for the newer cards, especially their ever changing naming schemes. However, there are some general guidelines here. There are specific cards in every series that are geared towards gaming or simple desktop apps. If you're card is of a model type geared for simple desktop apps you want to upgrade. If you're using a onboard video card, upgrade. If your card has less than 512mb of ram, upgrade.
The GPU really is the driving force for gaming. As long as you have a modern CPU and enough memory and free hard drive space to not bottleneck your GPU and assuming the GPU is adequate then you'll be fine.
I run 8gb of system memory, phenom II 4 core, Geforce 9800GTX+ w/ 512mb. With this I can run 1 client full settings with no lag. 2 clients at almost full settings, 3 clients on low settings. The biggest bottleneck for my rig is the GPU memory @ only 512mb. One client at full settings will eat most of that.
A good utility to see how your video card is performing is GPU-Z. If you're close to or at 100% on GPU memory or GPU utilization, time to upgrade the GPU. If not and performance is still slow then your computer is bottlenecking your GPU. To see how, open task manager and look at system memory or CPU utilization. If memory is close to or at 100%, add more. If CPU utilization is close to or at 100% upgrade the CPU. But in the case of the CPU you might also be looking at replacing your system in order to utilize more modern generation CPU's. It depends how old it is and whether or not you can purchase a CPU sufficiently more powerful so that it doesn't bottleneck your GPU. I would guess if you're approaching 100% cpu utilization while playing the game that chances are you'll need to replace the entire computer with something newer. I've actually experienced this on an old old system where I was unable to upgrade the CPU sufficiently to overcome it bottlenecking the GPU. The only fix was to upgrade to a newer system allowing me to use the next generation of CPU's.
Also, you speak of Windows eye candy. Turn this **** off. I mean if it's the difference between spending money or not then why not turn it off especially on a system already having problems running the game. I can guarantee its affecting your gaming performance significantly. The difference might be +20FPS depending on your system. That's huge, significant and a real performance increase you can feel.
Good luck! We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.05.15 13:27:00 -
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hakkiew365 wrote:So I want to be able to run 2 Eve clients with everything maxed, without having to lower my windows 7 wow factor qualities and such. If I do so right now I have ti minimize 1 client to be able to get 60 fps on the other, otherwise both clients start to choke. Also I will be getting a second screen so I'm pretty sure this will lower my performance as well. My options seem to be crossfire with a second 6870 card and maybe a solid state for the eve client + windows? Any opinions will be duly noted. SpecsEdit: The RAM is showing as 668mhz. this is in fact supposed to be 1333mhz Edit 2: I plan on getting a new case with better airflow, SSD and a second screen, this may help with my current situation.
This is my current rig.
Generic HP POS 3.6Ghz i3, 8GB RAM, 3TB HDD, 560ti... Total cost $825...
Sure it's not, "top of the line" but I got lazy and didn't want to build another machine. I do get a solid 60fps dual box/monitor on the highest settings this game has. 'twas the night before Jitageddon and all through 4-4. Not a freighter was undocked, not even the transports. Outside the undock was Goonswarm, floating with care. |
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