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WhiteSavage
Gallente Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 04:03:00 -
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Edited by: WhiteSavage on 05/06/2009 04:11:05
Its not in the news as much because the killings have become hum-drum normal occurances. But this video article brings up some painfully obvious but unspoken facts on the war in Mexico.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/world/2009-mexican-cartel/index.html?ref=world
So every time you take a hit you're quite directly bankrolling what has become a level of what some call terrorism.
Now before everyone rattles their bongs and yodels about how governments should legalize these drugs... thats not the point. That is not this discusion. This discusion is about the fact that you are directly creating attrocities in the name of temporary entertainment.
This, I believe on any level of the imagination, is disgusting?
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Knopje
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Posted - 2009.06.05 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage terrorism
I was on the bus and someone farted, I called the police and told them there was a terrorist on the bus trying to gas everyone. I got laughed at and hung up on. Following the US's example I have no idea what I did wrong
And which country in the America's are you referring to? |
WhiteSavage
Gallente Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Knopje
I was on the bus and someone farted, I called the police and told them there was a terrorist on the bus trying to gas everyone. I got laughed at and hung up on. Following the US's example I have no idea what I did wrong
And which country in the America's are you referring to?
If you had watched the video/read today's news all these questions would have been answered for you. As per the U.S. blaming someone for farting... i believe that is a different topic/point? |
Knopje
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Posted - 2009.06.05 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage
Originally by: Knopje
I was on the bus and someone farted, I called the police and told them there was a terrorist on the bus trying to gas everyone. I got laughed at and hung up on. Following the US's example I have no idea what I did wrong
And which country in the America's are you referring to?
If you had watched the video/read today's news all these questions would have been answered for you. As per the U.S. blaming someone for farting... i believe that is a different topic/point?
I said the US are/have/will blame someone for farting?
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Haydee Onna
Fashionable Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.06.05 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage That is not this discusion. This discusion is about the fact that you are directly creating attrocities in the name of temporary entertainment.
Acknowledged and respected, but it is hard to talk very deeply about a problem while ignoring a (imo) very clear and widely beneficial solution.
As far as this goes, I am somewhat divided on the issue. On one hand, it is clearly not a good thing to support these sorts of organizations. On the other hand, however, I tend to take the somewhat eve-ish stance that a broken system is not fixed by looking the other way and establishing quasi-ethical honor codes, but rather by jumping up and down on it until it becomes unacceptable not to fix it. The cost of funding the cartels today could buy us reforms tomorrow that will sow benefits to be reaped indefinitely.
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WhiteSavage
Gallente Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: WhiteSavage on 05/06/2009 05:14:07
Originally by: Haydee Onna
Acknowledged and respected, but it is hard to talk very deeply about a problem while ignoring a (imo) very clear and widely beneficial solution.
As far as this goes, I am somewhat divided on the issue. On one hand, it is clearly not a good thing to support these sorts of organizations. On the other hand, however, I tend to take the somewhat eve-ish stance that a broken system is not fixed by looking the other way and establishing quasi-ethical honor codes, but rather by jumping up and down on it until it becomes unacceptable not to fix it. The cost of funding the cartels today could buy us reforms tomorrow that will sow benefits to be reaped indefinitely.
I agree, but question that people are doing drugs in the name of the betterment of mankind, to reform age-old laws that are based on mere cultural or social differenses. And at the end of the day, while the extent of harm produced by drugs like mar1juana is questionable, the problems induced from drugs like methanfedimines and her0in are unfortunately no longer up to debate.
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/209730.pdf
So while legalizing some drugs under cartel control may seem like a viable option, legalizing everything that any underground group produces is unrealistic and unreasonable. Similarly, even if we did legalize everything, you think that these bloodied billionaires, these corrupt politicians, this pre-set infrastructure, this decade old industry will simply fade quietly? No, they would do what they have always done... simply legally. There would still be disputes, arguements, a differentiation of ideas etc... and what, we think the drug cartels will burn their weapons cache's, shoo away their hitmen, let go of their payed-for politicians and sit down in a civilized court of law?
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Merin Ryskin
Blood Money Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 05:19:00 -
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Hint to the clueless: if drugs are no longer illegal, the related crime disappears as well. Just look at the history of the attempt to ban alcohol and it should become perfectly clear. -----------
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WhiteSavage
Gallente Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: WhiteSavage on 05/06/2009 05:37:44
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Hint to the clueless: if drugs are no longer illegal, the related crime disappears as well. Just look at the history of the attempt to ban alcohol and it should become perfectly clear.
Originally by: WhiteSavage That is not this discusion. This discusion is about the fact that you are directly creating attrocities in the name of temporary entertainment.
Quote: while the extent of harm produced by drugs like mar1juana is questionable, the problems induced from drugs like methanfedimines and her0in are unfortunately no longer up to debate.
Quote: So while legalizing some drugs under cartel control may seem like a viable option, legalizing everything that any underground group produces is unrealistic and unreasonable.
Quote: Similarly, even if we did legalize everything, you think that these bloodied billionaires, these corrupt politicians, this pre-set infrastructure, this decade old industry will simply fade quietly? No, they would do what they have always done... simply legally. There would still be disputes, arguements, a differentiation of ideas etc... and what, we think the drug cartels will burn their weapons cache's, shoo away their hitmen, let go of their payed-for politicians and sit down in a civilized court of law?
The temporary ban on alcohol was an extremely different circumstance, suggesting that a multi-generational/century old 48 billion dollar industry will react the same way as a few semi-organized groups of guys who had other jobs and were catering to a market created under legal concordance is pretty shallow. Similarly, contrasting alcohol to her0in and m3th is quite, "clueless" ...in your own words.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.06.05 06:06:00 -
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I don't even smoke ********* and know the best weed comes from Canada. |
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