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Mei Khlolov
Blood Money Bootcamp Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.01 23:51:00 -
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I've read all about how awful they were pre-patch, but now that they can use the covops cloak and such, is it viable to use one as a solo pvp ship or is it just slightly better at gang support now?
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:02:00 -
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Slightly better. Although, cov ops cloak means it can now use bombs (the now dirt cheap bombs) easily, if you're into that sorta thing. It's actually pretty fun.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:08:00 -
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You don't solo in a sb.
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Mei Khlolov
Blood Money Bootcamp Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega You don't solo in a sb.
Thanks. Why?
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:15:00 -
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Because you either have no tank or no mobility/tackle, and you can't hurt anything smaller than a battlecruiser.
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4THELULZ
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:35:00 -
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Yes, please do solo in a SB, preferably somewhere near me.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.06.02 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 02/06/2009 01:32:17 SBs do not tank.
To hunt someone solo, you will need to be within 20km of him. He will..
-Just run you down and lol at your pitiful DPS if he's in a frigate. You might have a chance if he MWDs all the time for some reason, but a slim one
-A destroyer...a moderate chance actually if you get really close to him and have target painters
-Cruisers..will sic drones on you, or just blow you apart...probably both...
-BC is the same
-Battleship will sic drones on you.
you cannot kill anything solo, except -maybe- a destroyer...and even then, only if you could keep him pinned down (which you can't, since you need most of your mids for TPs or you wont be able to hurt him).
Quote: Because you either have no tank or no mobility/tackle, and you can't hurt anything smaller than a battlecruiser.
Actually you can do respectable damage to cruisers with a couple TPs.
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Mei Khlolov
Blood Money Bootcamp Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.02 01:35:00 -
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Alright, point made. Tell me more about these bombs though, is dropping a bomb on unsuspecting frigates a viable tactic?
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Dimitrios Ypsilanti
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Posted - 2009.06.02 01:43:00 -
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Solo stealth bomber = dead. You can't instapop anything. Other ships can instapop you. That's just the way it is.
Bombs are currently pre-nerfed. I've never used them but people report that they suck.
Stealth bomber is a covert gang ship. It does massive damage to large targets. But not enough to kill the target in only few volleys.
You need a gang with tacklers (Recons) and DPS (Bombers). This gang is pretty potent. I've heard rumors that they can take down cap ships.
If you want solo piracy you're probably better off in some flavor of tech II cruiser. HAC, HIC or Recon.
Good luck.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.02 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mei Khlolov Alright, point made. Tell me more about these bombs though, is dropping a bomb on unsuspecting frigates a viable tactic?
Bombs do nothing to frigates unless they have mwd on.
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.06.02 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega
Originally by: Mei Khlolov Alright, point made. Tell me more about these bombs though, is dropping a bomb on unsuspecting frigates a viable tactic?
Bombs do nothing to frigates unless they have mwd on.
Also a huge waste of ISK. Bombs are still expensive for what they are. However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs. |
Kail Storm
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:37:00 -
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Ok then guys once and for all, lets straighten this out. -Bombs do 6400 damage but have -400 m explosive radius and a -750 m/s explosive velocity
And from what I read frigs have about a -40 m sig radius so frigs will be 10% the damage is roughly 500 hp Destroyers -about 90m=20% damage = roughly 1000 hp Cruisers -105-150=25-35% damage= 1400 BC 270-300=70-75% damage= 3500 BS 300-500=75-100% damage= 3500-5000
But since its most like ly to absorb lets say 25% doing thermal it seems to work this way. But when u add 2 500 hp torps going in 1st it would be a close one, but still I think they are right its not a 1 shot 1 kill deal. But coming in at long range getting a few hits with a friend in a t2 as frig or hac would be very effective but bombs cost 1.2 mil. So i dont think so. But i dont understand person before saying if they used MWD drive all the time you could kill them? My conclusion get 2 of them out there and unleash.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm -750 m/s explosive velocity
If your frigate friend has a MWD on, how fast is he going? I would expect that any frigate with an afterburner or MWD would simply speed tank the explosion, regardless of modified signature radius.
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Kail Storm
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Posted - 2009.06.02 06:11:00 -
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Yep i agree frigs can outrun the radius but there was a post above mine that said If MWD was active it could be effective...Im confused by that...I think its the opposite
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gust
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.06.02 06:28:00 -
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Bombs insta pop tech 1 frigs IF they have MWD on and no tank. We had a fun all Rifter op the other day, and lost some to bombs. But the stealth bomber dropping the bomb was killed at least 3 times...... Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.06.02 07:17:00 -
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Low sec/o.o/high sec war targets for a solo bomber.
Miners, haulers ect.
Warp into the belt at 10 and then sneek up to the silly barge/ore haulers. Once in range decloak, slap a scram on it and watch it pop. Scoop the loot and vanish.
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Stahanov Iv
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:47:00 -
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Solo SB is a perfect pirate ship against haulers- miners -small frigs sitting on JB.
1) all time fit a tank 2) all time fit a point 3) remember you dont have time penalty on uncloak 4) alpha with 3 torpedos+ bomb = instapop industrial/miner 5) dont attack group targets , exept bombing small afk ships on JB/gate 6) all time stay alighned to nearest warp point in grid (do 4-5 in hunting place)
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.02 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm Yep i agree frigs can outrun the radius but there was a post above mine that said If MWD was active it could be effective...Im confused by that...I think its the opposite
It's because bombs have a terrible explosion radius but very good explosion velocity. 400m radius against a 40m sig is a lot worse than 400m radius against a 240m sig moving 2k.
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Valadeya uthanaras
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Valadeya uthanaras on 02/06/2009 15:05:23 Edited by: Valadeya uthanaras on 02/06/2009 14:58:28
To the OP:
After a month long pretty much constant use, I can tell you this
Stealth Bomber are extremely effective Solo ship Stealth Bomber are nice Gang ship Stealth Bomber are a blast in fleet fight
To be effective you need bomb launcher , it make 50% of the overall effectiveness of the ship To be effective you need to go toward speed maximisation To be effective you don't need or want rigs
Those saying you can't solo anything are wrong, they live in a EFT world where everyone as max skill, fit , and combat experience
The truth is , while extremely delicate, you can solo a lot with it
If you dont beleive me , my KB beg to differ http://puppetmasters.rowejob.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=10057&view=kills
Look at the first 3 pages , they include gang kills, solo kills and fleet kills
For those who dont wanna bother with the link here an overall of what i killed SOLO so far(first 2 kills on board are recent BS SOLO):
8 Ravens 2 Dominix (1 dont show on board) 1 Abbadon 1 Megathron 2 Drake (1 dont show on board) 1 Cerberus (dont show on board) 1 Myrmiddon 2 Ferox 5 Viator (1 with a large tower destroyed in cargo) 2 Prorator 8 Interceptor (3 dont show on board) 3 Assault frigate 4 Mining barge 6 Cargo optimized rigged T1 Hauler Multiple Hauler Multiple Cruiser T1 Multiple Barge Multiple Pos module (Silo/corporate Hanguar/Ship Maintenance Array)
So far I lost:
3 Purifier1 to NPC (lucky shot) 1 for being afk while i got called for an emergency at work 1 because I was trying a "pointless" AB/TANK fit
edit: Forgot a Mega kill SOLO ninja edit : forgot a myrmiddon and to put multiple cruiser |
Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:19:00 -
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Wow. Well, I guess if you have a constant supply of idiot ratters in failfits, you can solo fine in a sb.
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Valadeya uthanaras
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega
Wow. Well, I guess if you have a constant supply of idiot ratters in failfits, you can solo fine in a sb.
Like they say , 90% of eve fit their ship worng
Valadeya
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AnKahn
Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:29:00 -
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The new Stealth Bomber suck! Don't use them!
They have NO TANK! They can only hit moon sized objects!
A t1 frig can tackle and kill them!
Move along. Nothing to see here.
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Valadeya uthanaras
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn The new Stealth Bomber suck! Don't use them!
They have NO TANK! They can only hit moon sized objects!
A t1 frig can tackle and kill them!
Move along. Nothing to see here.
Agreed
Valadeya
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Mukutep
Gallente The Centurions
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras stuff
Mind sharing your fit and your tactics/style? I'd love to try this myself, but am still having a little trouble with it.
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AnKahn
Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:39:00 -
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Val, how are you dealing with the drones?
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Valadeya uthanaras
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Valadeya uthanaras on 02/06/2009 16:00:35 To the one asking:
my strategy mostly work with purifier and hound because of slot layout and powergrig. My fit is:
Purifier Solo SB
3 Arbalest Siege Launcher/Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedoes (bring 54 Bane and 54 Inferno) 1 Bomb Launcher 1 Covert Ops Cloaking Device
1 1MN Microwarpdrive II 1 Small Capacitor Booster II / Cap Charge 100/75 1 Warp Disruptor II
1 Ballistic Control Device II 2 Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Strategy: Kill a BS/BC
Mostly warp to celestial where you scanned down a Yummy NPCing BS at 30-50 (good directionnal scan skill recommended)
Get yourself at 30km from target when you are at 30km, align for target once align and at 28 uncloak Launch Bomb Target Overheat Point Point Torps click orbit at 22000m (set before in selected item overview orbit) torp land bomb goes off start mwd as soon as targeted torp the thing to death
1. Cruise missile from most ppl will hit for 60-75 a volley, you can "tank" up to 10 volley in your shield and armor 2. bomb+torps first volley will put most npcing fit raven from full sheild to armor 3. keep a look on cap , inject when cap is low or if you are neuted 4. Watch out for small drone , if any , bail out/warp out as soon as they leave the cargo of the target 5. Watch out for Valkyrie , they are fast enought to catch up with you , they will deal some damage, other medium drone speed mostly depend on target speed, Hammerhead you outrun all the time unless he got a drone speed mod fitted 6. Bail out/warp out on Heavy missile hurt too much (100 damage a volley tops) 7. You will outrun by permaruning the MWD all large drone , pay them no attention 8. Be Carefull with Garde sentry
Sling-Bomb
It the tactic i use to kill most T2 mwd frig with bomb
get your target at 32-33km in between yourself and a celestial:
you32-33kmtargetcelestial
if your target mwding (mostly to try uncloak you) put yourself so the 32-33k, is at the edge of the orbit in in the same fashion then said up
the tactic is to put cloak in f2, bomb in f3, keep celestial on overview selected object set you warp out range at something random you change from time to time
when target in blast radius (45km away from you in the "orbit" fashion)you:
align celestial when align at max speed hit f2 (uncloak) hit f3 (bomb) click warp out on overview
the last 3 step should take less than 0.25 sec to execute
Bomb stay active even if you are not on grid, warped out or anything in fact
just wait for the KM ^^
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Aron Kobalt
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Posted - 2009.06.06 12:36:00 -
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Valadeya, that is impressive!
On my Nemesis I can't seem to fit modules you are using. Best fit I came up with is:
[Nemesis, AB solo] Ballistic Control System II Overdrive Injector System II
1MN Afterburner I Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Warp Disruptor II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Bomb Launcher I, Scorch Bomb Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Do you think I will have problems with AB (I can't fit MWD)? Will I be too slow and they will hit me with max speed 716 m/s?
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.06.06 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mei Khlolov I've read all about how awful they were pre-patch, but now that they can use the covops cloak and such, is it viable to use one as a solo pvp ship or is it just slightly better at gang support now?
You can solo in an SB if you bring a friend in another SB and someone else in a Rapier and/or Arazu.
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Zzander Solus
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Posted - 2009.06.06 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Aron Kobalt Valadeya, that is impressive!
On my Nemesis I can't seem to fit modules you are using. Best fit I came up with is:
[Nemesis, AB solo] Ballistic Control System II Overdrive Injector System II
1MN Afterburner I Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Warp Disruptor II
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Bomb Launcher I, Scorch Bomb Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Do you think I will have problems with AB (I can't fit MWD)? Will I be too slow and they will hit me with max speed 716 m/s?
Aron
You probably should overheat your afterburners for the extra speed boost if you don't use a mwd. I think many people are too quick to rely on mwd's for propulsion mods and forget that they are like "painting yourself". The cloak and your low sig radius are your main defenses on a bomber anyway. |
Miriyana
Gallente Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.06.07 04:23:00 -
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Confirming Valedaya is a damn menace and awesome with his Purifier. |
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