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Utari Huisak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:07:00 -
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My corp lives in a WH system, lots of stuff to do and we're loving it. it's the first place we have gone to where every member regardless of career has something they can do. But we have run accross a problem.
Some these rocks are big. Really big. So big that our logistics people are screaming for mercy. I've suggested to my husband (who runs the industrial side of things) to set up an intensive refinery, to which he scoffs and says the 25% loss of the minerals would kill the profiability of the tower (which he paid out of pocket since the corp just bought it's second freighter)
so the tl;dr point is: would a refinery array REALLY make that much of difference in profit for a WH PoS, since it would make getting said profits out easier?
(p.s. someone take my side. I love proving my hubby wrong when he gets stubborn like this ) |
Tandin
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tandin on 01/06/2009 21:30:44
Originally by: Utari Huisak My corp lives in a WH system, lots of stuff to do and we're loving it. it's the first place we have gone to where every member regardless of career has something they can do. But we have run accross a problem.
Some these rocks are big. Really big. So big that our logistics people are screaming for mercy. I've suggested to my husband (who runs the industrial side of things) to set up an intensive refinery, to which he scoffs and says the 25% loss of the minerals would kill the profiability of the tower (which he paid out of pocket since the corp just bought it's second freighter)
so the tl;dr point is: would a refinery array REALLY make that much of difference in profit for a WH PoS, since it would make getting said profits out easier?
(p.s. someone take my side. I love proving my hubby wrong when he gets stubborn like this )
Actually, yes.. Depending on what you're mining 25% is a large amount. Imagine refining a pile of arkonor and losing 25% of the megacyte and zydrine.
A better option is to sneak a rorqual into the system via a lowsec connection at some point and park it at your POS. Then just compress the ore as you mine it and simply ship the blocks back to empire in haulers to refine and return as mins.
That said, it will involve a lot more moving around of compressed ore and refined minerals so the time value makes up for part of the 25%. Not all of it though. "Boo hoo. Cry some more." CCP Whisper
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0raven0
Burning Sky Labs MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:32:00 -
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I run POS in wormhole space and we started out trying to haul the ore out to refine, but it was a pain in the butt.
First wormhole we only had about 1.3million m3 of ore and we used orca for most of it, but orca can only make about 3 round trips through a wormhole before it collapses so the ore ended up all over empire regions and took long time to pick up with frieghter. So we decided that a refining array would work way better. all that time hauling could be used for more mining and we make more isk with less sweat.
Unless you have access to a wormhole that will let a freighter in(btw freighter can only do 1 round trip through such wormholes) then definitely go for refining array, even then its a pain doing the freighter thing. ------
Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
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0raven0
Burning Sky Labs MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tandin
A better option is to sneak a rorqual into the system via a lowsec connection at some point and park it at your POS. Then just compress the ore as you mine it and simply ship the blocks back to empire in haulers to refine and return as mins.
rorqual is too big to fit through the wormholes you find in low sec, have to go to 0.0 to find wormholes big enough to let rorquals and freighters in. ------
Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
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Endurashfgh
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Endurashfgh on 01/06/2009 21:53:17 Edited by: Endurashfgh on 01/06/2009 21:51:01 My corp originally moved into a class 2 wh. We got really lucky with some nice grav sites and in the first week had over 7mill m3 of unprocessed ore. Because you cannont move a freighter into a class three, we where faced with refining this ore 200k m3/3hours, hauling it into 50 different systems with an orca (the wh would colapse after 2 round trips with an orca), or hauling it all with industrial ships.
The first week, we chose the later of the three. 6 hours and 4 really really bored pilots later, we coughed up enough isk to buy the refining array. Now we have 1 pilot haul once a week, and only 1 jump. Some of our pilots disagreed with me that this would be a better situation. However these where the pilots that where sleeping during this hauling op, and didnt realise that if we would have used that 6 hours to mine, we could easily make back triple what we where losing.
It really depends on the class of the wh you are inhabiting. In a lower class wh (1-3/4) i would agree that it is better to put up an intensive refinging array. But if your wh is large enough to fit either multiple orca trips threw, or a freighter, then that seems to me the most profitible choice. the problem with that situation, is most wh's that are large enought to fit such a ship, spawn in lowsec/nullsec, and im not willing to risk 1bill isk to move some stuff.
At the end of the day, it just comes down to the math. How much do you save by hauling it? Or by refining it at 75%? how long will you be in the wh? will buying a freigher, roraqual, orca pay off any time soon? remember that time isnt free, and time hauling raw ore is time lost mining more of it!
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Emperor Salazar
Caldari Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Utari Huisak
so the tl;dr point is: would a refinery array REALLY make that much of difference in profit for a WH PoS, since it would make getting said profits out easier?
(p.s. someone take my side. I love proving my hubby wrong when he gets stubborn like this )
Prior to the opening of wormhole space, refineries were useless. The availability of rorquals to compress or outposts to refine at and the ease of transportation via carrier/jump freighters made it foolish to use even the intensive refinery.
However, unless you are moving into one of the deeper WH systems and will be mining ALOT of ore and don't mind committing a rorqual to the operation, refineries are indeed worth bringing to WH operations. It is important to note though that this only remains true (in my opinion) for the higher end ores like crokite, bistot, arkonor and mercoxit. In my system, I only mine these high ends and refine for a 25% loss at a medium refinery. While I have not done the exact numbers, the few hours I spend mining arkonor semi-afk in my covetor for the couple days the site is there, turns into enough megacyte/zydrine to pay for fuel for my medium tower no problem.
No its not the most efficient method due to the 25% loss, but I sure don't want to haul all that ore back to empire. If your logistics people are getting frustrated with hauling all that ore, I would say go ahead and invest in the refinery.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.06.02 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Salazar Prior to the opening of wormhole space, refineries were useless. The availability of rorquals to compress or outposts to refine at and the ease of transportation via carrier/jump freighters made it foolish to use even the intensive refinery.
They were worth it before outposts / rorquals existed, up until 0.0 got saturated with outposts and then npc 0.0 could be conquered with Rorquals. But now I guess useful again, provided their drawbacks (re-processing time / amount / one mineral type/sub-type at a time, and 25% loss) still make your mining time worthwhile.
Refined Megacyte / Zydrine are very easy to ship back, and the Ore isn't. A rorqual will allow you to squeeze that last 25% profit out, but if you can't use a Rorqual you're only options are the refinery array or just not mining, realistically. Mining anything other than Bistot/Arkanor/Crokite is not going to be worth your time though.
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Clansworth
Farstrider Industries MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz ...provided their drawbacks (re-processing time / amount / one ore type/sub-type at a time, and 25% loss) still make your mining time worthwhile.
At least in WH Space, you don't have the troublesome 5% and 10% ores to throw into the mix.. just good old fashioned Ore.
Also, hauling out in an Orca is one of the quickest ways to collapse the WH. Industrials/DSTs are MUCH more efficient if you are trying to get the most out through a specific WH.
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Tandin
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: 0raven0
Originally by: Tandin
A better option is to sneak a rorqual into the system via a lowsec connection at some point and park it at your POS. Then just compress the ore as you mine it and simply ship the blocks back to empire in haulers to refine and return as mins.
rorqual is too big to fit through the wormholes you find in low sec, have to go to 0.0 to find wormholes big enough to let rorquals and freighters in.
This isn't entirely true. We moved 2 Charons from 0.0 to Lowsec through one once. I'm not sure what their spawn rates in lowsec are though since I spend most of my time in 0.0 "Boo hoo. Cry some more." CCP Whisper
"There's no such thing as too much of a deathtrap. Y'all obviously need more deathtraps." CCP Prism X |
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