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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest No you havent.
Other wise you would know they can run the worth while missions faster than the nighthawk.
Oh, silly me! You're soo right! I was imagining flying all those ships in missions. It was actually a Rifter that looked like a CNR to me. Dang it! My bad...
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.05.30 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dracthera
Originally by: Ghoest No you havent.
Other wise you would know they can run the worth while missions faster than the nighthawk.
Oh, silly me! You're soo right! I was imagining flying all those ships in missions. It was actually a Rifter that looked like a CNR to me. Dang it! My bad...
What was your exact CNR fit?
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.30 20:44:00 -
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Thats my question too.
I believe that you flew a CNR, I dont believe that you had a good fit.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
What was your exact CNR fit?
[Raven Navy Issue, CNR (L4 cruise)] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Ballistic Deflection Field Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor I
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
I wanted to share modules between all my ships (CNR, NH, Golem), so you'll see most of the mods are common with my other setups. It doesn't have all the rigor rigs, but the drones do a nice job with the small and medium stuff.
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GGjita
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dracthera
Originally by: Liang Nuren
What was your exact CNR fit?
I wanted to share modules between all my ships (CNR, NH, Golem), so you'll see most of the mods are common with my other setups. It doesn't have all the rigor rigs, but the drones do a nice job with the small and medium stuff.
This is the problem, A CNR should have rigor rigs as they make a huge difference in mission running. You can not give a legitimate opinion on a ship if you are not fitting it to max it's potential. Adding 2-3 rigors to this ship makes it kill so much faster it isn't even funny. My drones don't even really get a chance to kill many things other than frigs because i eat through everything else so fast.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Traderboz
I have an active tanked NH with 4 CN BCU's, rigor rigs and t2 launchers with scourge fury missiles.
Sorry to interrupt the ****-slinging fest, but I was wondering wether furies were cost-efficient when used in missions. I tend to use basic T1 missiles, butI wouldn't mind switching to furies if someone can convince me I should.
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Sorry to interrupt the ****-slinging fest, but I was wondering wether furies were cost-efficient when used in missions. I tend to use basic T1 missiles, butI wouldn't mind switching to furies if someone can convince me I should.
They're not _that_ much more expensive, and they are a huge jump in DPS. As long as you've got the appropriate skills/fit to support them, it should be fine to run with furies. That said, I've traditionally run with T1 missiles, and I'm sure it shows in my mission completion times. I'll see if I can snag the same mission and run it once with faction and once without to see what the difference is.
Maybe a good litmus test would be to run with them for a day and see what ISK/hr - Cost Difference is. /shrug
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Joachim Kato
Scoopex
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Posted - 2009.05.31 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Joachim Kato on 31/05/2009 01:06:46 I agree with Liang. The price difference is negligible for the amount of time you save b/c you're killing everything faster. I always use them in PVE and can't imagine how long it would take to clear out a WH with standard missles. wow! that'd take way too long.
And btw the Nighthawk outperforms the Raven for lvl 4's. And if you faction fit your NH like some people do their CNR's you'd get a pretty bada$$ mission runner. GL
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Dracthera
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: GGjita You can not give a legitimate opinion on a ship if you are not fitting it to max it's potential.
What's a legitimate opinion anyway, and who's the approving authority on what constitutes one? Guess that rules out everyone on this thread who chimed in about the NH sucking at running missions without having even flown one then, eh? At least I've flown all the ships I'm giving an opinion about, whereas most people just talk out of their butts based on some EFT math.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.31 04:10:00 -
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Youre telling us that a nighthawk runs missions faster because it kills the medium stuff quicker - then you mention you dont put rigors on your CNR so your depending on drones instead.
noob
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.05.31 04:28:00 -
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I have to agree with the opinion that you should be fitting DPS rigs on a Raven/CNR.
The DPS on this ship is enough that you can get by just pulsing a T1 shield booster as far as tank goes. The only room I have trouble with is AE4 at present (I still run Vengeance with my Drake).
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.05.31 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Youre telling us that a nighthawk runs missions faster because it kills the medium stuff quicker - then you mention you dont put rigors on your CNR so your depending on drones instead.
noob
I wouldn't go so far as to say noob. I will go so far as to say (s)he should have realized that I was referring entirely to a different kind of ship with much better damage projection.
Meh. I'll be starting my mission run in a little while... I've been working around my farm pretty much all day. :)
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
GGjita
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Posted - 2009.05.31 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: GGjita on 31/05/2009 05:37:09
Originally by: Dracthera
Originally by: GGjita You can not give a legitimate opinion on a ship if you are not fitting it to max it's potential.
What's a legitimate opinion anyway, and who's the approving authority on what constitutes one? Guess that rules out everyone on this thread who chimed in about the NH sucking at running missions without having even flown one then, eh? At least I've flown all the ships I'm giving an opinion about, whereas most people just talk out of their butts based on some EFT math.
I have flown both. I'm not saying the NH sucks at running missions, because the NH is very good at running missions and is a nice change of pace from my CNR/Golem. What I am saying though is that if you fit a CNR properly, it can and will run missions faster than the NH.
You claimed that your NH runs L4's faster than your CNR and after seeing your CNR fit i completely believe that YOUR NH is faster. But for me because I'm running with rigors the NH would be slower since my CNR kills the smaller stuff just a fast as the NH and kills the bigger stuff even faster.
I do not think it is fair to the CNR to claim that it isn't as good or fast as the NH if you are not fitting it properly to maximize your killing speed. Spend the money and throw on some rigors and see how much faster it kills you'll be surprised.
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Rip Striker
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Posted - 2009.05.31 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rip Striker on 31/05/2009 06:29:19 Here are a few level 4 mission completion times from Caldari space performed in my NH (specs below):
Guristas Extravaganza: 39 min (57 mins including bonus pocket) Assault (guristas): 32 min Zazzmatazz: 7 min Downing the Slavers (sansha): 9 min Massive Attack: 17 minutes Damsel in Distress: 15 minutes Gone Berserk: 15 minutes Settle the Score (sansha): 18 minutes Vengeance (guristas): 19 minutes
My ship fitting: heavy missile launchers with fury ammo, 4 navy ballistics, 2 rigor rigs t1, 5 light drones II, +5% rof implant, +3% expl vel implant, +3% expl rad implant(IŠve yet to buy a +5% heavy missile damage implant).
My command ship skill, warhead upgrades and the expl vel/sig skills are at level 4. Everything else that gives boost heavy missile dps is at level 5.
Comparing Damsel, Gone Berserk, Vengeance and Zazzmataz mission completion times with the ones posted by GGjita i'd say it is a tie between his CNR and my NH.
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GGjita
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Posted - 2009.05.31 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: GGjita on 31/05/2009 07:25:12 The skills i was using were: All missile skills to level 4. +3% implants to Rof and Damage and +5% implants to explosion velocity and radius.
On the 3 we had the same mission: CNR/NH Zazz = 7/7 Damsel = 12/15 Gone Berserk = 13/15
I wouldn't really say a tie. But looking at the missions:
Zazz = This mission is basically a lot of little stuff, there are only 2 BS's. This is where the NH is supposed to have the advantage since it has mainly smaller ships, but we see that here it was just a dead heat. I expect that if we were both to run Buzz Kill we would see basically a even tie since again it is a lot of little stuff.
Damsel and Gone Berserk = These missions both have a good number of BS's in them and we see that when there are a lot of BS's the CNR starts to come out ahead. While only beating out the NH by 3 and 2 minutes respectively it did still come out ahead. Looking at Gone berserk the CNR only beat the NH by 2 mins, which shows they are both very good ships, but that mins means the CNR did it 13% faster. That may not be a huge number but it is still a respectable advantage. Another thing to keep in mind with this is that in Gone Berserk he npc ships are weak to kinetic which is the damage type that that the NH gets bonuses too, so this prolly played a role in the fact that there was only a 2 minute gap.
The thing to keep in mind is that the CNR only gains the advantage on missions with lots of BS's. On any other mission as long as the CNR does have the rigor rigs and a TP the ships are basically just in a dead heat.
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.05.31 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 31/05/2009 07:55:13 Ok, I did a crap ton of work around the farm today and it's 12:30 so I'm going to bed. I only got 2 missions in today. So'z.
Raven 6x CN Cruise, Salvager, Tractor LSB II, Hvy Cap Booster II, 3x Hardener II, PWNAGE 5x CN BCU 3x Rigor I 5x Hobgoblin II, 5x Hammerhead II
No implants
Picked up some loot/salvage but I didn't catalogue it.
mordus hh - 23 min intercept the saboteurs (serpentis): 9 min
I think I could speed up the missions alot if I split my fire between the cruisers... some would one volley, but most would require 9 missiles to die. Meh. That's why I like guns anyway. /shrug
-Liang
Ed: Sorry about the pathetically slow mission times... after a full day's work planting raspberries and digging and shovelling ****, I was tired. Kept spacing out and looking down to notice I wasn't actually shooting at anything anymore. :-/
Also, These are the mission completion times I can get a solid single ship comparison on (I pulled these from every thread I could get my hands on):
Guristas Ex (Incl Bonus): - Nighthawk (Rip Striker): 39 min (57 bonus) - Torp Golem (Gul Rashen): 48 min - Raven, CCC (Liang Nuren): 72 min - Drake (Dracthera): 101 min
Assault (Guristas): - Torp Golem (Gul Rashen): 27 min - Nighthawk (Rip Striker): 32 min - Drake (Dracthera): 59 min
Zazz: - Torp Golem (Gul Rashen): 5 min - Nighthawk (Rip Striker): 7 min - Abaddon (Talsha Talamar): 7 min - CNR (GGJita): 7 min
Damsel: - CNR (GGJita): 12 min - Abaddon (Talsha Talamar): 13 min - Torp Golem (Gul Rashen): 14 min - Nighthawk (Rip Striker): 15 min - Raven, CCC (Liang Nuren): 19 min - Drake (Dracthera): 19 min
Downing the Slavers (Sansha): - Abaddon (Talsha Talamar): 8 min - Nighthawk (Rip Striker): 9 min
Angel Ex: - CNR (GGJita): 43 min - Vargur (Pwett, incl loot/salvage): 54 min
Gone Berserk: - Torp Golem: 13 min - CNR (GGJita): 13 min - Nighthawk (Rip Striker): 15 min - Abaddon (Talsha Talamar): 15 min
Recon 1/3: - CNR (GGJita): 13 min - Drake (Dracthera): 29 min
Stop The Thief: - Torp Golem (Kadoes Khan): 6 min - CNR (GGJita): 6 min - Abaddon (Talsha Talamar): 9 min
Vengeance (Guristas): - Nighthawk (Rip Striker): 19 min
Intercept the Saboteurs - Raven, Rigors (Liang Nuren): 9 min
Mordus HH: - Raven, Rigors (Liang Nuren): 23 min
The Score: - Abaddon (Talsha Talamar): 20 min - Drake (Dracthera), 30 min
-- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
E Vile
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Posted - 2009.05.31 10:02:00 -
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Ooo yes! Great Idea! Golems are best! Nighthawks are inferior! Yes everyone go buy Golems and sell your Nighthawks so we can see Nighthawk prices return back to reality!
/support
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Omar Khayyam
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Omar Khayyam on 31/05/2009 11:29:04 i am wondering why ppl dont use "Fury" Heavy missiles with NH, as its really good for anything bigger than cruisers in missions, and also they are quite cheap . i have never flown a nighthawk but i used heavy missiles with a drake. (also 20 days left for nighthawk)
but i do fly a CNR, and i understand what people are trying to tell about a "proper CNR fit". a CNR without rigor rigs (which requires expensive complex boosters to do so) is really just a raven with 1 more cruise launcher. but when you have rigor rigs, it starts to insta pop frigs (non elites) and kill other stuff really quick. i have just bought "2xpithi small shield boosters" and removed those capacitor modules. heres my last setup and the results are quite impressive compared to a standard Large-shield Booster CNR. it feels like i haven't seen a real CNR in action before this setup... (thanks to eve-online forum users for the fitting)
[Raven Navy Issue, CNR] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Explosion Dampening Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Cataclysm Cruise Missile [empty high slot]
Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warhead Flare Catalyst I
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